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It is factually true, the ps4 is both more powerful and cheaper to produce.... Man this thread is crazy....
Forgottonone
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Were you the guy saying don't be name calling? My reality when it comes to this forum is just trying to understand everyone else's perception or reality tunnel or reality prism, whatever you want to call it.
I hope this post isn't serious.
You think Sony's just gonna expose all of their stuff early on? They're waiting until E3 to do that.
geordiemp
Member
The comments in this thread about first party games are quite funny.
Remember last gen, MS bought some exclusives to get people in the ecosystem, and after a year or 2 there was not much more.
I think this gen will be the same, they bought titanfall, PVZ timed, DR3, Sunset overdrive and probably 1 or 2 more this year...
After that it will get more expensive as Ps4 sales continue and MS will probably stop buying them. Personally I think they should buy a few studios
Remember last gen, MS bought some exclusives to get people in the ecosystem, and after a year or 2 there was not much more.
I think this gen will be the same, they bought titanfall, PVZ timed, DR3, Sunset overdrive and probably 1 or 2 more this year...
After that it will get more expensive as Ps4 sales continue and MS will probably stop buying them. Personally I think they should buy a few studios
This thread is comedy gold. Keep it coming!
It actually has negative games. Just the other day my GameCube library vanished when I let my PS2 get too close to it.Yeah, the PS2 had no games either.
Forgottonone
Member
More Power automatically makes it better? Man better go get a time machine and pick up a JAG RRIGGGHT NOWW.. it's not cheaper to produce.. its 450 bucks 50 bucks less then x1
Chobel
Member
It's obviously a joke.
Killroyskbg
Member
Joke post? Must be joke post but cant even tell these days.
Chobel
Member
Wat? What the hell are you talking about?
going by the only world wide numbers we really have... ********... 4.2 to 6.9... after January I think it had reached 3 million difference though that may have been pre-correction when more solid numbers came in. I think Microsoft and Sony still have a ton of stuff left to prove for us to pick a winner... lets not forget how huge the 360's lead was just a few years ago. Innovating software will eventually drag gamers over to you no matter what..
edit: either way I win since I bought both of them :-D
Deaf Spacker
Memb
Amazing.
Mass Effect
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Forgottonone
Member
you might think i actually care about the x1 it interests me with it's features so does the PS4.. I am on no side when it comes to gaming. It's not fact saying the PS4 is the better product. And if you want to get all crazy about it look at the hardware reviews and compare them. What's the point though? Just because something isn't appealing to you doesn't make it inferior to what you like.
This made my day. Bravo sir! xD
rocketskates
Member
No wonder the x1 isn't selling, its damn near $1000 bux!
Still doesn't explain how they're turning a profit on each system though.
Yup. Don't know why peeps keep repeating that. The ps4 has more exclusives, higher rated games (and better multiplat games).
gundamkyoukai
Member
Man what are you talking about ?
Sony can't bring out a firmware cause they losing money is a rather stupid thing to say .
It takes Sony 1 game or PS + for them to be in the black and you really think MS is making money off X1 after dropping the price every where .
EDIT Sony was bringing out firmware for PS3 and they were losing $200 plus on the system lol .
Can you provide a source for that? How does that even matter?
Actually, that's usually what it means. When a product fails to sell well, its usually because the consumer has decided that this product isn't actually very good. The consumer base analyzes it and has, for whatever reason, found it wanting. Of course, that doesn't invalidate your opinion of the box, but when the goal of these businesses is to make money so that they can provide stronger hardware and even greater gaming experiences it does actually matter how well they sell.
Forgottonone
Member
Canada got a price raise the ps4 is more money they actually raised the price of it. That's what I am talkin about.
that was exchange rate related.
are you saying that I speak untruths? Crap... was going to try and find out using metacritic (yeah I know), but ton of unrated PS2 games... many that are pretty good
Melchiah
Member
I think it's been said, that 1-2 games bought with the system would make it profitable for them, and looking at the sales ratio that seems to be no worry.
I'm puzzled about how this all relates to firmware updates?
Napalm_Frank
Member
I REALLY doubt it but I hope they do. More pressure on Sony to match the price sooner rather than later make a price drop on their own. Would result on faster next gen adoption from consumers to both sides.
I do expect them to match 399.
I do expect them to match 399.
Another pricecut or new SKU at this stage would stink of desperation. They made a call with kinect and had a chance to back out of that before launch but refused, you've got to believe they have some sort of plans to start showing its value at some stage.
They didn't expect to be in the position they're in now and considered their launch lineup to be frontloading so outside of the usual Halo stuff I'd expect plenty of deals that have been cobbled together in the last 5 months.
What I'd worry about from Microsoft is some big name exclusives from popular series that have barely begun development yet. There's been a move towards garnering favour with the core market lately and I could definitely see them splashing the cash on some big names to dominate the message boards and blogs with very little substance behind them. We've already heard rumours about Shenmue and a big Japanese based title.
They didn't expect to be in the position they're in now and considered their launch lineup to be frontloading so outside of the usual Halo stuff I'd expect plenty of deals that have been cobbled together in the last 5 months.
What I'd worry about from Microsoft is some big name exclusives from popular series that have barely begun development yet. There's been a move towards garnering favour with the core market lately and I could definitely see them splashing the cash on some big names to dominate the message boards and blogs with very little substance behind them. We've already heard rumours about Shenmue and a big Japanese based title.
Forgottonone
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Okay let me try to be clear here. Unless you work for the console companys or in videogames sales mean NOTHING to you. The system you buy these days will have O.K. support for years. Indies are coming. Games are coming out. Sales mean nothing to the consumer. Sure someone in an office is scratching their head saying wtf. But it's not our problem. I also encourage as gamers to buy the failing systems they usually have good games that get skimmed past and over looked.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I seriously can't tell if this is a joke post.
In case it's serious, I would just like to point out that the PS4 is selling at around neutral when it comes to net less/gains.
The amount of money lost or gained on console sales has nothing to do with the development of firmware. It's not like that money is funneled directly into the firmware development.
Forgottonone
Member
makes it 120 dollars profit of a system? 6 million x 120 bucks? Is that good?
Couple of years. Somebody is forgetting 2010 - Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Splinter Cell Conviction, Halo: Reach, Forza, Crackdown 2, Fable 3 and the launch of Kinect.
There were bad games because of the domination? logic?
He wasn't name calling or anything. Within the context of his post, he was telling you that you need to expand your perspective for the bigger picture. If you can't handle it, then don't try to.
But within your reality though, you keep trying to dispute other people perception and keeping on with your own, and never learn/listen.
I mean stuff like this:
"More Power automatically makes it better? Man better go get a time machine and pick up a JAG RRIGGGHT NOWW.. it's not cheaper to produce.. its 450 bucks 50 bucks less then x1"
WTF does that even mean?
With all the stuff that the PS4 has in its hardware, it is amazing that they are able to market the thing cheaper than the X1.
And yes, more power by default means it better...Goku+SSJ3>>>>Vegeta+SSJ2
Eff this.
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DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
350$ sku without the Kinnect might actually be a smart decision!
gundamkyoukai
Member
Sales mean a whole bunch to me as a consumer , having a system sell well means more games .
PS4 not selling good in Japan means less game focus on consoles and more on mobile which what is happening , the same can be said if it happens WW ( thank god it's not )
PS3 not selling good at first is one of the reason it got bad ports for years and there other reasons for wanting a system to sell well .
Sony makes about 8 to 12 dollars off a 3rd party game and much more off a 1st party one .
I see you really have no idea how all of this works .
But it isn't, people really are
Underestimating the amazing amount of
Love consumers have for the 360. Microsoft
Lowering the price of the Xbox one will
Spark a huge spike in sales, which will
Help push Microsoft back on top.
I don't get why people don't see this
Truth yet.
Mass Effect
Member
It's more like who the fuck cares? You're not forced to play these games you know. Does that somehow negate all of the amazing games that released on the system?
The DS also had TONS of shit and shovelware on it. Doesn't change the fact that it was one of the greatest systems of all time with plenty of amazing games.
There is shovelware on every system. Doesn't mean anything as long as there are plenty of great games to play.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Well, I disagree... a failing system means a lot less support down the road. If a system is failing their are less likely to get third party support and some games might even not go to their system. Check at the WiiU, its not exactly thriving on third party support...
Killroyskbg
Member
Actually it does. If Sony will have a huge lead in sales one to two years from now it will both be much harder for MS to moneyhat exclusives. It will be more likely that the PS4 will receive more attention from third party developers. Indies will less likely postpone their games to meet MS stupid clause for release date. The games themselves will sell more meaning more money to first party studios than can invest more into future games. Other support such as movie apps or likewise will get more support. These are just some of the benefits of a larger install base.
Finally someone who understands. March's NPD this week is only going to be the beginning of MS's comeback. Hell, even Wii U is going to slap PS4 around once Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. release.
Mass Effect
Member
oh stop it you.
I don't dismiss the fact that a cut in price would help the XBO, but talking about the "consumers love for the 360"; to be honest, the very, very loyal of MS/360, already have a Xbox One. How much the spike in sales would be, that's anyone guess.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
What is going on in this thread? E3 is going to be amazing, if for nothing else to read what the arm chair analysts have to say.
Melchiah
Member
The greater the system sales the better the 3rd party support, and less likely of missing a 3rd party title (like the PS2 & 360 had).
1-2 games per system, and they're in the black. To my knowledge the ratio is over 2, which means they aren't losing money, like you claimed.
MisterXDTV
Member
the gap is already near 3M worldwide...
I think a price cut too drastic by MS would be seen as a desperation move.
Like "We know our console sucks, please buy it"
I think a price cut too drastic by MS would be seen as a desperation move.
Like "We know our console sucks, please buy it"
the gap is already near 3M worldwide...
I think a price cut too drastic by MS would be seen as a desperation move.
Like "We know our console sucks, please buy it"
Just for your information. Using Chartz intel is a bannable offense.
Remove that shit.
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