This isn't coke or beer.... this is technology... competition doesn't start until there is a real threat. Microsoft didn't threaten Sony until last generation. Perhaps you forgot that sony didn't even have a real online service at the start of the PS4 launch or some of the stupid things they did because they thought that they were invincible after the PS2 dominated to the tune of 4:1 over Microsoft. It's rare that you find a Apple who constantly improves their devices and tries and create innovation when they are a market leader by a huge margin and even then some of the best stuff has come with andriod making a serious bid in the tablet and phone markets.
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Will MS go for Sony's throat at E3 and undercut their PS4 MSRP ?
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This isn't coke or beer.... this is technology... competition doesn't start until there is a real threat. Microsoft didn't threaten Sony until last generation. Perhaps you forgot that sony didn't even have a real online service at the start of the PS4 launch or some of the stupid things they did because they thought that they were invincible after the PS2 dominated to the tune of 4:1 over Microsoft. It's rare that you find a Apple who constantly improves their devices and tries and create innovation when they are a market leader by a huge margin and even then some of the best stuff has come with andriod making a serious bid in the tablet and phone markets.
Chobel
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My guess is that he means Titanfall bundle. The bundle is £370 at many retailers so Xbone solo is like £330. And we know it lanched with £430 ---> £100 difference.
Mass Effect
Member
You didn't, but you act like Microsoft having billions of dollars to supposedly throw around somehow magically makes their products desirable (hint: it doesn't).
And we don't "need" anything. Ultimately propping up inferior products (not saying the Xbox is inferior) simply to keep them "competitive" is not something I find healthy for the industry... any industry. The whole point of competition is that the superior product is the most desirable and comes out on top. If, at the end of the generation, that happens to be the PS4, so be it.
Using the Wii U as an example, I like Nintendo, but it should not be doing "extremely well" given Nintendo's gross misread of the market. And we as consumers should not be obligated to prop them up for the sake of "competition."
So please stop with that garbage.
I can understand the "defense force" aspect of SDF, but I have no idea how throwing in the word pony/ponies is insulting. It looks like to me that they just threw in a word that rhymed with Sony, regardless of whether it actually made sense.
Dude, just stop.
lol, i need more gamefaqs in my life.
Fallout-with-swords
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Haha, yeah exactly. I'd like to think they know better at this point and they'll both come out next time with a customer friendly attitude.
Killroyskbg
Member
USA might not see a 2:1 ratio but in many parts of the rest of the world probably already is, if not significantly more. Here in Sweden One´s have been available to buy for a couple of months in stores through imports yet no one I know or have ever heard has picked one up but the PS4 is still sold out and really hard to get hold of if you are not lucky.
When they finally release here officially I don't think it will have any kind of significant impact. People seem to have made up their mind already and those who were indecisive still will get the PS4 since that is were all their friends play.
Chobel
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How do you explain why the PS2 era was good? Almost no competition, but still a great (greatest?) era.
Forgottonone
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That is believable for sure because sony did a world wide launch and xbox slowly took on the world. I think many territories have ps4 and no x1. So 2-1 is very believable
Goodacre0081
Member
MS needs to stop choking themselves before they think about going for Sony at this point in time.
gundamkyoukai
Member
The countries that X1 not launch in not going to help them at all even when they do .
Forgottonone
Member
That is very debateable people are happy with their x1s and their ps4s.. It's way too early to be predicting doom and gloom.
GameAddict411
Member
the market is filled with imports, but there is no demand. i doubt it will be any better for MS if they released their console in the same countries.
if you think the PS2 era was good... >_> there was more garbage on the PS2 then on the Wii
You're crazy. First, it's already 2:1. Second, just because MS has "more money than Sony"--whatever that means, doesn't mean they can spend it the way they want. If that was the case the XB would've been the more powerful console and cheaper. But Sony is the one with the better hardware. Sony is not broke like the way people like to think. All everyone see's is these reports about selling stuff and losing money and think they have $0 in the bank. It doesn't work that way.
As for competition and "both consoles need to do well." Where were you when you when the PS2 generation happened? If one console is doing better than all the rest then it deserves to win and the others fail.
Stop with the everything needs to be equal bullshit.
Forgottonone
Member
Well my underlying point could've been that the Sony brand has sort of a world wide appeal.. Microsoft doesn't have that kind of global love or respect.
How else do you interpret the sales data? Furthermore, how can you interpret the bolded comment as being about doom and gloom?
The truth is that Sony made a better product for cheaper and are continuing to offer a competitive service on top of that. If you don't like that this is happening, perhaps you should consider not visiting gaming forums. Isolationism might help you maintain your fragile sense of reality.
FranXico
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There were more of everything, not only garbage. Do you think that the 360 had no shovelware whatsoever?
Disaster Nebraska
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What's with this idea that Microsoft has this hidden masterplan behind the scenes and oooooh boy Sony'd better be worried? Microsoft is gonna come back with a vengence. What will Sony do? Etc.
It goes against everything - every single thing - we've seen Microsoft do since Adam Orth last year. We heard the same thoughtful commentary last year "Hrm, hrm, Microsoft always has a plan. Yes. Yes. They are staying silent for a reason. They are showing off TV-TV-Spawrts for a reason. Hrm. Yes. Microsoft will improve their development tools. Oh yes. Close the gap. Sony will lose the hardware advantage. Hrm. Yes. Yes".
But the facts are quite straightforward: Microsoft has been the one without a plan. Microsoft has been the one reacting to Sony's behavior. Microsoft has been the one playing catchup and scrambling to save face. Suddenly Microsoft is one step ahead of Sony, despite the many instances of Sony being the one a step ahead over this past year?
And Microsoft has some grand plan to "go for Sony's throat"? FWIW, price is not everything, as the Wii-U and Gamecube learned. If Xbox One was the exact same price as PS4, I think it would still be losing. If Xbox One was $50 cheaper, I think it would still be losing. Price cuts don't erase a company's reputation.
It goes against everything - every single thing - we've seen Microsoft do since Adam Orth last year. We heard the same thoughtful commentary last year "Hrm, hrm, Microsoft always has a plan. Yes. Yes. They are staying silent for a reason. They are showing off TV-TV-Spawrts for a reason. Hrm. Yes. Microsoft will improve their development tools. Oh yes. Close the gap. Sony will lose the hardware advantage. Hrm. Yes. Yes".
But the facts are quite straightforward: Microsoft has been the one without a plan. Microsoft has been the one reacting to Sony's behavior. Microsoft has been the one playing catchup and scrambling to save face. Suddenly Microsoft is one step ahead of Sony, despite the many instances of Sony being the one a step ahead over this past year?
And Microsoft has some grand plan to "go for Sony's throat"? FWIW, price is not everything, as the Wii-U and Gamecube learned. If Xbox One was the exact same price as PS4, I think it would still be losing. If Xbox One was $50 cheaper, I think it would still be losing. Price cuts don't erase a company's reputation.
Melchiah
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So, the situation would be different, if the XB1 was launched in Japan, and the rest of Europe? Both territories, where they didn't even match the PS3 sales, when the 360 launched 1-1,5 year ahead with a price advantage, and superior multiplatforms.
Surely you must be a parody.
Chobel
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OH BOY!!!
cyber_ninja
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Reading your posts gave me a headache, please go back to gamefaqs or wherever you came from.
It's currently 2.8:1 this year, at this rate it will be 2:1 before e3. Also I've loved reading your posts.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Talk about a few bad apples spoiling the bunch. I guess we can pack this up. Cueil, you've proven there are no good games on PS2.
QuantumZebra
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Just what I was thinking. MS would have to be willing to go in the red again like the 360... I dunno if that's gonna help em though as the X1 seems to be relegated to 2nd place regardless due to hardware inferiority.
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I don't really get the need for multiple successful consoles to have competition either.
You could have one open platform and have competition drive technology forward. PC gaming is proof of that. Open platform, different companies making video cards, multiple stores to buy games from and so on.
Personally, I'm not a tech whore like a lot and would have been fine with PS3 level graphics indefinitely. I'm not that interested in photo realism, have zero interest in VR etc.
As long as they're are a lot of successful game developers/publishers out there pushing each other in order to get us to buy their GAMES, that's all I are about. They can't put out nothing but shovelware and expect it to sell when other devs are putting out high quality games. The crash in the 80s was because it was a new fad and crappy new devs rushed shit out to try to cash in on the craze, not because Atari was the only real player.
I honestly think it would be better if eventually all games were played on a common OS and just scaleable like PC games to different hardware, streaming options etc. That creates tons of competition to make your games standout when every gamer has access to every game being put out. And saves us having to buy a bunch of different hardware to get that access. I personally don't care that much as I'm fine just owning one consoles and missing the exclusives on the others as I don't have time to keep up with everything even on one platform. So it's not port begging from me or anything. Just that I don't buy the notion that having multiple successful consoles is necessary for competition, or that a single open platform couldn't possibly lead to more great games with great competition from devs to make their games really stand out.
Forgottonone
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I had both xbox og and GC in my perspective those systems did not fail, they brought me loads of fun. No system was better than the other, one just sold way more. If I made a console and sold 30 million hardware units, I would not consider my self a failure. A Failure is trying to launch a console getting stuck in development running out of money and oweing the game devs money for the games they were making to help launch the system that is failure.. Any console that millions of people buy is not a failure, no way no how.
People got banned for similar phrases in the past
Melchiah
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That certainly will be true... I imagine Japan will have more then a 2:1 ratio... some European countries, but US and UK are still the biggest markets and I don't care what Phil Spencer says I think consoles are all but dead in Japan. I really don't care if their is 4 or 10 million dollar difference when in the end you hope to see both systems go past the 80 million mark at the end of their life span.
Some people really need to stop with the notion that just because a company has a massive warchest, they'll fund money losing (at best break even) ventures endlessly just because they can.
That is not how modern businesses work. And this is especially true what that venture is not a core business to the company.
That is not how modern businesses work. And this is especially true what that venture is not a core business to the company.
The PS2 had a significant lead in sales. It had the most 3rd party support. It had the most exclusives. That generation belonged to Sony.
there were a ton of good games on the PS2... they all looked like crap ( I keed I keed), but they were fun... but there were heeps and heeps of shovelware...not a few bad apples bags and bags of them, but that still doesn't spoil the MGS3s and the God of Wars on the system.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Yeah, the PS2 had no games either.
I'm inclined to take it one step further. No Sony console in the current timeline has ever had a game released for it.
Look guys, this is the reality. Xbox One is the more popular console coming off of an amazing last generation run worldwide. The only problem is that MS tried to price it competitively that consumers would jump on while making money for themselves. This bit them in the butt. MS is coming out all guns blazing at E3 and Sony has no answer for it realistically. The Order? Uncharted: Steampunk Edition. DriveClub? MS has Forza and PGR possibly. The Last Guardian? Hasn't been seen in years. No Japanese developers gving out games either, while MS has Halo, Sunset Overdrive, D4, Below, etc. Sony has no games coming for E3, no games currently on PS4, yet everyone keeps bowing down to almighty Sony and their $399 machine. You all laughed at Mattrick, Nelson, Penello, and others, but at the end CBOAT got taken out and all the rest of the naysayers are going to eat crow when MS takes their place back at the head of the table. I just laugh at all the fanboys too silly to realize it. Come get your plate of crow boys. Plenty will be had in June.
gundamkyoukai
Member
How is MS going to get to 80 million consoles sold when they only sell in the US and UK and Sony is eating there market share .
EDIT i see your next post seem like you just trolling .
Oh please, not this again.
Forgottonone
Member
C'mon man, that is not the truth. They are losing money on each console and now can't push firmware out the way the X is because they're making money on the console. I don't interpret sales data cause I don't have to I am not affiliated with them in that way. I buy the games and play them enjoy the shit out of them. Come here and read how my system is doomed (wii U) Sure it's doomed whatever i don't care, I don't believe it cause a piece of paper with low numbers.. The GC was doomed but I had so much fun on the system.. Just because sales are low on something doesn't mean it's a bad product.
Well yeah, that is common sense...that is how percentage works with big numbers.
So you are simply going to discard the higher number of classics because there was a few bad apple in that generation?
What is your point anyway by posting such a statement about the PS2 era, and comparing it with the PS4's domination this gen?
We will have many great games, we will have a lot of garbage, or we will also have many great games+garbage at the same time during this current gen?
It took me a few lines.
Melchiah
Member
The PS3's six years of system sales in continental Europe were 32 million, compared to 5 million in UK, and 21.8 million in the US.
Killroyskbg
Member
First off I am going to assume you mean that there will be a difference of 4-10 million in the total amount of consoles sold not dollars? Secondly do you really think that US and UK stand for about 90% of all consoles sold ww since that is what does numbers represent if the ratio in those countries are 1:1.
Unlimited or not, MS will not let the Xbox division, a part of the company that has consistently lost money and managed to turn the public against it, have free access to billions of dollars
to spend freely. The Xbox division is already on thin ice as it is, and even if the reports of stockholders clamoring to sell the division off are false, you only have to look at the marketshare
they lost from last gen to see that going from nearly all, to under half will not look favorable to the people who control the company.
Sales parity is bullshit, and you've been linked to a very good post that proves that. Even so, why only the Xbone? I didn't see anyone rushing in to save the Zune when it was being
royally thrashed by the iPod, or the Betamax getting some help when the VHS destroyed it. Surely if Parity is as good as you say, then parity in every market is better? And why only
recently? I remember people fighting over the SNES Vs Genesis war, yet I don't remember anyone shouting from the rooftops that both were needed? Same with the NES and Master System.
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