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Will MS go for Sony's throat at E3 and undercut their PS4 MSRP ?

FranXico

Member
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

As a consumer, do you feel more comfortable supporting a company that doesn't actually depend on you to survive?

Honest question.
 

Gator86

Member
Certainly, but its clear at this point that it won't be as viable for them moving forward. Furthermore, there was a lot of talk from the party faithful about something like $1 billion being invested into first party development. If that's the case, then I'd like to think that they're well one their way to achieving this. Keep in mind that Sony's best years with the PS3 didn't start until 2009, nearly three years after the launch. Microsoft may prefer that strategy, but its one that benefits the guy in the lead, not the runner up.

Money hats can help buy time until those new studios are ready, but as a predominantly Sony focused gamer I eagerly want to see Microsoft compete in this space. I don't care for Halo, Gears, and Forza, and since those titles are such a vast majority of their first party output, I obviously lose interest. Losing Black Tusk to a (imo) tired franchise isn't a great start, either.

I completely agree with all of this. However, we don't know if MS will actually go this route or not. Last gen they kind of just said "fuck it" after all the early money hats and started focusing on nonsense like Kinect. For MS's sake, they better get used to fighting from the bottom because stuff like Titanfall 2 is probably gonna be way out of their price range if console sales patterns hold.
 

StoopKid

Member
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

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Biker19

Banned
Does that mean we can stop reading your fear-mongering about how the company you despise, Microsoft, will be selling off the XBox brand?

Apparently you don't know what PR speak is. CEO's like Phil Spencer are being told by their higher-ups on what to say & how they're saying it whenever they're facing trouble in something within companies. Of course, they're not going to say anything bad about the Xbox brand in general.

One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

Huh?
 

Salex_

Member
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

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Lemondish

Member
$299 without Kinect would be pretty tempting.

And games. We need to see games. I need to see games. Games that aren't just moneyhats denying multiplatform releases. Games that make me, as a Sony fan, drool. I'm not sold on their first and second party offerings given how they handled exclusives last gen.

The difference between the Xbox One and the Wii-U, to me, as a PS4 owner, is that Nintendo has always been really strong at party/couch coop titles, something that I rarely get on either of the other two systems. Microsoft, on the other hand, rarely shows me games that I can't do without.
 

Cueil

Banned
Are you actually serious dude?

Sony's worth about 20 billion dollars right now... Microsoft has 30ish in the bank. Microsoft is a healthy company and their competitors are unhealthy... the likely hood of Sony being able to push into a 2:1 lead over the length of this generation is really really really unlikely
 

Yopis

Member
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

That's what makes the fact Sony didn't cheap out on the system, and have a stable of first party studios all the more impressive. MS could have built a beast but they went cheap, sold out, and didn't invest for the longterm. Meanwhile the company in financial trouble gave us higher spec for less money.
 
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

Some people in this thread have gone insane.
 

Cueil

Banned
As a consumer, do you feel more comfortable supporting a company that doesn't actually depend on you to survive?

Honest question.

No... I don't care.... if Sony had made good decisions with their other products we wouldn't have to even worry about the Playstation brand being under a company that can't seem to do anything right outside of make games and sell insurance

Also I own both the Xbox One and the PS4... I want both companies to be competitive all the way through and I think both will be. People who think Sony is going to revitalize into the all consuming dominant brand need to go back into their stables.
 

Freeman

Banned
What exclusives(or games that aren't on PS4 specifically) does MS have from now on until E3 to counter FFXIV, Transistor, Octodad, Daylight, The Swapper, Bound by Flame and MLB?
 

Codeblew

Member
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

Sony Ponies? Really?

You think the Xbox division has unlimited access to Microsoft's cash reserve? Hint:
They don't.

Also, this:

Please tell me, how has that "unlimited cash" helped Microsoft in with their phones and tablets, or even Bing?
 

Lemondish

Member
Sony's worth about 20 billion dollars right now... Microsoft has 30ish in the bank. Microsoft is a healthy company and their competitors are unhealthy... the likely hood of Sony being able to push into a 2:1 lead over the length of this generation is really really really unlikely

I think you're forgetting about one major factor - efficiency of resource use.

Its obvious that one company is using their assets way better than the other. After all, Sony managed to make a more powerful system and sell it cheaper in several more markets all while supporting a much bigger stable of first party development studios. If Microsoft had anywhere close to the same efficiency in investment as Sony has shown they wouldn't be CURRENTLY facing a 2:1 deficit, TODAY.

Also I own both the Xbox One and the PS4... I want both companies to be competitive all the way through and I think both will be. People who think Sony is going to revitalize into the all consuming dominant brand need to go back into their stables.

I'd consider toning down the fanboy talk. It makes you look petty and allows people to rightfully ignore every thing you're saying. If you continue with it you'll just destroy any potential discussion we could be having while we all focus on how petty you're being.
 
Sony's worth about 20 billion dollars right now... Microsoft has 30ish in the bank. Microsoft is a healthy company and their competitors are unhealthy... the likely hood of Sony being able to push into a 2:1 lead over the length of this generation is really really really unlikely

so.....how does this relate to sony not be able to beat MS?
 
Sony's worth about 20 billion dollars right now... Microsoft has 30ish in the bank. Microsoft is a healthy company and their competitors are unhealthy... the likely hood of Sony being able to push into a 2:1 lead over the length of this generation is really really really unlikely

Please tell me, how has that "unlimited cash" helped Microsoft with their phones and tablets, or even Bing?

Also, please stop conflating "competition" with "sales parity." They are not the same thing.
 

Cueil

Banned
That's what makes the fact Sony didn't cheap out on the system, and have a stable of first party studios all the more impressive. MS could have built a beast but they went cheap, sold out, and didn't invest for the longterm. Meanwhile the company in financial trouble gave us higher spec for less money.

That has nothing to do with the what we are talking about though... 2:1 sales ratio isn't happening... not only is it not going to happen, but not a single person on here should wish t to be so... competition is what created Uncharted and Last of Us it's what created PS+
 

Melchiah

Member
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

Isn't that a bannable term? As for sales parity, it's been pointed several times how it's not healthy for the industry, that both parties should sell the same, no matter what they do. Competition is good for the consumers, and keeps the companies on their toes.


EDIT:
No... I don't care.... if Sony had made good decisions with their other products we wouldn't have to even worry about the Playstation brand being under a company that can't seem to do anything right outside of make games and sell insurance

And it's bad for gamers, that they do things right when it comes to making games?
 

Kosma

Banned
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

Worst trolling ive seen on ages here

Ps: its almost 2/1 now
 

A_Gorilla

Banned
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

This isn't GameFAQS dude, people have been banned here for less (wow I'm getting really tired of saying that).

Oh and PS your whole "parity is good for for the industry!" BS has been thoroughly debunked. Just an FYI.
 
That has nothing to do with the what we are talking about though... 2:1 sales ratio isn't happening... not only is it not going to happen, but not a single person on here should wish t to be so... competition is what created Uncharted and Last of Us it's what created PS+

If we go by sales this year WW it's already 2 to1 .
MS was at 3 million end of last year and Sony was at 4.2 million .
 
Sony's worth about 20 billion dollars right now... Microsoft has 30ish in the bank. Microsoft is a healthy company and their competitors are unhealthy... the likely hood of Sony being able to push into a 2:1 lead over the length of this generation is really really really unlikely

Microsoft is in gaming business to make money. Not to beat Sony for xbox fans. They are not going to bleed several billions just for sake of it.
 
What happened here in Canada is that the ps4 went up 50 bucks for 450 for ps4 and 499 for x1.. I am going to wait after this summer to make my mind up.
 

Lemondish

Member
That has nothing to do with the what we are talking about though... 2:1 sales ratio isn't happening... not only is it not going to happen, but not a single person on here should wish t to be so... competition is what created Uncharted and Last of Us it's what created PS+

Firstly, it is happening. Its the understood sales ratio RIGHT NOW.

Second, sales parity is NOT competition. Please stop confusing the two because they're completely irrelevant. Here's a pretty decent post that should help you tell the difference moving forward. I would suggest reading it BEFORE returning here to comment.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=95488867&postcount=624

We'll all know if you don't. We'll all shame you if you don't. So go...learn.

For your sake.
 

Cueil

Banned
Please tell me, how has that "unlimited cash" helped Microsoft in with their phones and tablets, or even Bing?

Also, please stop conflating "competition" with "sales parity." They are not the same thing.

please point to where I typed unlimited.... don't get upset... we NEED both consoles (preferable all three) to do extremely well because in the end that is what drives things forward.
 

Salex_

Member
Still trying to comprehend that crazy post. What does Microsoft's "warchest" have to do with their hardware sales? Are they going to shove $1k up consumers ass to get them to buy the console? How will consumers deciding who should be the market leader be bad for consumers...? Did you see people bitching about the PS1, PS2, Steam, Amazon, or any other market leader? We actually benefit the most because if other companies wants to keep up they have to improve their value proposal.

And Sony ponies? Really? Go back to Youtube.

EDIT: I think people are confusing monopolies with consumers deciding on a market leader for being bad for consumers...I hope so.
 

Chobel

Member
lol at close sales = competition = good for industry.

I guess PS2 era really sucked

please point to where I typed unlimited.... don't get upset... we NEED both consoles (preferable all three) to do extremely well because in the end that is what drives things forward.

we NEED? WTF I'm reading?
 

le.phat

Member
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.
This post reads like you took a shit on my monitor.
 
Sony's worth about 20 billion dollars right now... Microsoft has 30ish in the bank. Microsoft is a healthy company and their competitors are unhealthy... the likely hood of Sony being able to push into a 2:1 lead over the length of this generation is really really really unlikely

I know that and as has been discussed in this thread, that is irrelevant. MS has a lot of cash, that doesn't mean they're going to throw it at Xbox

2:1 will happen, it's already heading that way and it won't be changing course. It's not unhealthy at all, the gaming market did just fine during the PS1 and PS2 era. This is exactly what competition entails, Sony offered a better product and as such they are selling better. MS must now compete to get back on track

Calling others names contributes nothing to the discussion
 

Gator86

Member
Firstly, it is happening. Its the understood sales ratio RIGHT NOW.

Second, sales parity is NOT competition. Please stop confusing the two because they're completely irrelevant. Here's a pretty decent post that should help you tell the difference moving forward. I would suggest reading it BEFORE returning here to comment.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=95488867&postcount=624

We'll all know if you don't. We'll all shame you if you don't. So go...learn.

For your sake.

Ugh, everyone should have to read this and take a short quiz on it to be allowed to post here. I'm so tired of the sales parity posts. They're just idiotic.
 

Lemondish

Member
Your throat has to be exposed in order for someone else to "go for it." Not gonna happen.

While the thread title is pretty inaccurate (for the exact reason you pointed out), we shouldn't disregard that often times cornered animals are a lot more dangerous.
 

Vashetti

Banned
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

GAFaqs is that way -------------------------->
 

2345425

Member
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.
...really? I'm sure you'll go far here.
 
The BLOWNY jabronies are in for a rude awakening when the full weight of war chest™ comes down upon them and crushes the nogamestation 4!
 
Just an observation, but hasn't it been that when one company is leading heavily the other typically has to innovate and be aggressive. It's what happened with the Xbox to 360 and with the PS3 to PS4.
 
One company is going to lose 1.1 billion dollars... the other company has more cash then the first company is worth... I'll let you figure it out. There will not be a 2:1 sale ration this generation no matter how many sony ponies get out of their stables. It's also not healthy for the industry.

boy..this gonna be a long generation for you :)
 

kinoki

Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
pretty sure they are even or better... certainlly not 5-6 games and multipul years of XBL

PS4 is cheaper to make and they sell at $399 and they break even at one game sold or if you subscribe to PSN. Now put that in context. Using the same logic for Xbox One. At $499 they need to sell one game or a Xbox Gold subscription to make even. A game is 30% or so to the platform holder. A game is $60. So, $20 per game. Lower the price by $100 and throw in Titanfall "for free" and you're looking at 5-6 games.

please point to where I typed unlimited.... don't get upset... we NEED both consoles (preferable all three) to do extremely well because in the end that is what drives things forward.

No, we don't. We need good products to do good. Don't confuse the two.
 

Lemondish

Member
Ugh, everyone should have to read this and take a short quiz on it to be allowed to post here. I'm so tired of the sales parity posts. They're just idiotic.

I completely understand how people could be led to believe otherwise. I also understand that sometimes people aren't as informed as they should be, which is why I try to help by linking to where the information can be found. After all, what could be easier than clicking a blue link?!

I feel like, if shown this information, a rational being would internalize it and understand why this argument for sales parity is a giant steaming pile of shit. This guy seems programmed not to do anything but spout nonsense, though.

At least we tried, eh?
 
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