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Will MS go for Sony's throat at E3 and undercut their PS4 MSRP ?
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FranXico
Member
As a consumer, do you feel more comfortable supporting a company that doesn't actually depend on you to survive?
Honest question.
I completely agree with all of this. However, we don't know if MS will actually go this route or not. Last gen they kind of just said "fuck it" after all the early money hats and started focusing on nonsense like Kinect. For MS's sake, they better get used to fighting from the bottom because stuff like Titanfall 2 is probably gonna be way out of their price range if console sales patterns hold.
Apparently you don't know what PR speak is. CEO's like Phil Spencer are being told by their higher-ups on what to say & how they're saying it whenever they're facing trouble in something within companies. Of course, they're not going to say anything bad about the Xbox brand in general.
Huh?
And games. We need to see games. I need to see games. Games that aren't just moneyhats denying multiplatform releases. Games that make me, as a Sony fan, drool. I'm not sold on their first and second party offerings given how they handled exclusives last gen.
The difference between the Xbox One and the Wii-U, to me, as a PS4 owner, is that Nintendo has always been really strong at party/couch coop titles, something that I rarely get on either of the other two systems. Microsoft, on the other hand, rarely shows me games that I can't do without.
Sony's worth about 20 billion dollars right now... Microsoft has 30ish in the bank. Microsoft is a healthy company and their competitors are unhealthy... the likely hood of Sony being able to push into a 2:1 lead over the length of this generation is really really really unlikely
That's what makes the fact Sony didn't cheap out on the system, and have a stable of first party studios all the more impressive. MS could have built a beast but they went cheap, sold out, and didn't invest for the longterm. Meanwhile the company in financial trouble gave us higher spec for less money.
Uno Venova
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That War Chest™ rules all.
Mass Effect
Member
Some people in this thread have gone insane.
No... I don't care.... if Sony had made good decisions with their other products we wouldn't have to even worry about the Playstation brand being under a company that can't seem to do anything right outside of make games and sell insurance
Also I own both the Xbox One and the PS4... I want both companies to be competitive all the way through and I think both will be. People who think Sony is going to revitalize into the all consuming dominant brand need to go back into their stables.
Codeblew
Member
Sony Ponies? Really?
You think the Xbox division has unlimited access to Microsoft's cash reserve? Hint:
They don't.
Also, this:
I think you're forgetting about one major factor - efficiency of resource use.
Its obvious that one company is using their assets way better than the other. After all, Sony managed to make a more powerful system and sell it cheaper in several more markets all while supporting a much bigger stable of first party development studios. If Microsoft had anywhere close to the same efficiency in investment as Sony has shown they wouldn't be CURRENTLY facing a 2:1 deficit, TODAY.
I'd consider toning down the fanboy talk. It makes you look petty and allows people to rightfully ignore every thing you're saying. If you continue with it you'll just destroy any potential discussion we could be having while we all focus on how petty you're being.
GameAddict411
Member
so.....how does this relate to sony not be able to beat MS?
Mass Effect
Member
Please tell me, how has that "unlimited cash" helped Microsoft with their phones and tablets, or even Bing?
Also, please stop conflating "competition" with "sales parity." They are not the same thing.
That has nothing to do with the what we are talking about though... 2:1 sales ratio isn't happening... not only is it not going to happen, but not a single person on here should wish t to be so... competition is what created Uncharted and Last of Us it's what created PS+
Melchiah
Member
Isn't that a bannable term? As for sales parity, it's been pointed several times how it's not healthy for the industry, that both parties should sell the same, no matter what they do. Competition is good for the consumers, and keeps the companies on their toes.
EDIT:
And it's bad for gamers, that they do things right when it comes to making games?
This isn't GameFAQS dude, people have been banned here for less (wow I'm getting really tired of saying that).
Oh and PS your whole "parity is good for for the industry!" BS has been thoroughly debunked. Just an FYI.
gundamkyoukai
Member
If we go by sales this year WW it's already 2 to1 .
MS was at 3 million end of last year and Sony was at 4.2 million .
KillerMan91
Member
Microsoft is in gaming business to make money. Not to beat Sony for xbox fans. They are not going to bleed several billions just for sake of it.
Forgottonone
Member
What happened here in Canada is that the ps4 went up 50 bucks for 450 for ps4 and 499 for x1.. I am going to wait after this summer to make my mind up.
Firstly, it is happening. Its the understood sales ratio RIGHT NOW.
Second, sales parity is NOT competition. Please stop confusing the two because they're completely irrelevant. Here's a pretty decent post that should help you tell the difference moving forward. I would suggest reading it BEFORE returning here to comment.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=95488867&postcount=624
We'll all know if you don't. We'll all shame you if you don't. So go...learn.
For your sake.
Graphics Horse
Member
YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT!
Microsoft might have secretly sold millions of Xbones to undiscovered tribes in the Brazilian rainforest and we wouldn't know.
please point to where I typed unlimited.... don't get upset... we NEED both consoles (preferable all three) to do extremely well because in the end that is what drives things forward.
Still trying to comprehend that crazy post. What does Microsoft's "warchest" have to do with their hardware sales? Are they going to shove $1k up consumers ass to get them to buy the console? How will consumers deciding who should be the market leader be bad for consumers...? Did you see people bitching about the PS1, PS2, Steam, Amazon, or any other market leader? We actually benefit the most because if other companies wants to keep up they have to improve their value proposal.
And Sony ponies? Really? Go back to Youtube.
EDIT: I think people are confusing monopolies with consumers deciding on a market leader for being bad for consumers...I hope so.
And Sony ponies? Really? Go back to Youtube.
EDIT: I think people are confusing monopolies with consumers deciding on a market leader for being bad for consumers...I hope so.
Chobel
Member
lol at close sales = competition = good for industry.
I guess PS2 era really sucked
we NEED? WTF I'm reading?
I guess PS2 era really sucked
we NEED? WTF I'm reading?
This post reads like you took a shit on my monitor.
Dragonborn
Member
I know that and as has been discussed in this thread, that is irrelevant. MS has a lot of cash, that doesn't mean they're going to throw it at Xbox
2:1 will happen, it's already heading that way and it won't be changing course. It's not unhealthy at all, the gaming market did just fine during the PS1 and PS2 era. This is exactly what competition entails, Sony offered a better product and as such they are selling better. MS must now compete to get back on track
Calling others names contributes nothing to the discussion
And saying it here gets you banned last I heard.
I will say that I like it much better than SDF.
BRocknRolla
Member
So is full on idiocy just the norm now, or has "Sony ponies" just become ok?
Er source?
Ugh, everyone should have to read this and take a short quiz on it to be allowed to post here. I'm so tired of the sales parity posts. They're just idiotic.
While the thread title is pretty inaccurate (for the exact reason you pointed out), we shouldn't disregard that often times cornered animals are a lot more dangerous.
GAFaqs is that way -------------------------->
...really? I'm sure you'll go far here.
LowEndTorque
Member
The BLOWNY jabronies are in for a rude awakening when the full weight of war chest comes down upon them and crushes the nogamestation 4!
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
Just an observation, but hasn't it been that when one company is leading heavily the other typically has to innovate and be aggressive. It's what happened with the Xbox to 360 and with the PS3 to PS4.
not_so_special
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kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
PS4 is cheaper to make and they sell at $399 and they break even at one game sold or if you subscribe to PSN. Now put that in context. Using the same logic for Xbox One. At $499 they need to sell one game or a Xbox Gold subscription to make even. A game is 30% or so to the platform holder. A game is $60. So, $20 per game. Lower the price by $100 and throw in Titanfall "for free" and you're looking at 5-6 games.
No, we don't. We need good products to do good. Don't confuse the two.
ChosenPredator
Banned
it's like an eternal cycle but i actually love it
FranXico
Member
It would make the system far better value though. For me, it makes sense that the slightly weaker hardware costs me less to buy. Add to that the non-gaming extra features, and you're competing again.
Freeman
Banned
edit: Sarcasm, I get it now.
I completely understand how people could be led to believe otherwise. I also understand that sometimes people aren't as informed as they should be, which is why I try to help by linking to where the information can be found. After all, what could be easier than clicking a blue link?!
I feel like, if shown this information, a rational being would internalize it and understand why this argument for sales parity is a giant steaming pile of shit. This guy seems programmed not to do anything but spout nonsense, though.
At least we tried, eh?
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