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[Miles X]

the gap is already near 3M worldwide...

I think a price cut too drastic by MS would be seen as a desperation move.

Like "We know our console sucks, please buy it"

Ugh, get out of here with those BS numbers.

 

[2345425]

I don't dismiss the fact that a cut in price would help the XBO, but talking about the "consumers love for the 360"; to be honest, the very, very loyal of MS/360, already had a Xbox One. How much the spike in sales would be, that's anyone guess.

Everyone knows the US market is completely loyal to Microsoft and the only reason any PS4s have been sold at all is because it is cheaper than the Xbone/Sony is holding their families hostage.

 

[A_Gorilla]

going by the only world wide numbers we really have... ********... 4.2 to 6.9... after January I think it had reached 3 million difference though that may have been pre-correction when more solid numbers came in. I think Microsoft and Sony still have a ton of stuff left to prove for us to pick a winner... lets not forget how huge the 360's lead was just a few years ago. Innovating software will eventually drag gamers over to you no matter what..

edit: either way I win since I bought both of them :-D

And you just sited Chartz so there goes what little credibility you have left. So long, thanks for playing. Here's a site better suited for you.

 

[Averon]

the gap is already near 3M worldwide...

I think a price cut too drastic by MS would be seen as a desperation move.

Like "We know our console sucks, please buy it"

Oh god. Please, don't use chartzzz numbers here.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

the gap is already near 3M worldwide...

I think a price cut too drastic by MS would be seen as a desperation move.

Like "We know our console sucks, please buy it"

VGfakez is bannable bro.

 

[Dodecagon]

I don't dismiss the fact that a cut in price would help the XBO, but talking about the "consumers love for the 360"; to be honest, the very, very loyal of MS/360, already have a Xbox One. How much the spike in sales would be, that's anyone guess.

Finally someone who understands. March's NPD this week is only going to be the beginning of MS's comeback. Hell, even Wii U is going to slap PS4 around once Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. release.

Seriously, the cost is holding
A large amount of the faithful back.
Read between the lines, there's
Copious amounts of evidence pointing to
A rise in xbox one
Sales.
Most people just don't notice it.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Ok, i dont come to neogaf as much as I would like nowdays due to work but I can only assume that this was some massive attempt by the posters in this thread to make me, and all the other people in similar positions, laugh and want to come back more.

Surely the posts here are not for real.

 

[Killroyskbg]

the gap is already near 3M worldwide...

I think a price cut too drastic by MS would be seen as a desperation move.

Like "We know our console sucks, please buy it"

I would remove that ASAP junior.

 

[Mass Effect]

Why are people using VG Charts so much around here all of a sudden?

Seriously, the cost is holding
A large amount of the faithful back.
Read between the lines, there's
Copious amounts of evidence pointing
A rise in xbox one
Sales.
Most people just don't notice it.

Is this a poem?

 

[Goodacre0081]

we all know chartz is not to be trusted but if most people were to guess at the numbers right now they would probably say 7m/4m anyway.

 

[ChiliManiac]

Unlimited or not, MS will not let the Xbox division, a part of the company that has consistently lost money and managed to turn the public against it, have free access to billions of dollars
to spend freely. The Xbox division is already on thin ice as it is, and even if the reports of stockholders clamoring to sell the division off are false, you only have to look at the marketshare
they lost from last gen to see that going from nearly all, to under half will not look favorable to the people who control the company.

Sales parity is bullshit, and you've been linked to a very good post that proves that. Even so, why only the Xbone? I didn't see anyone rushing in to save the Zune when it was being
royally thrashed by the iPod, or the Betamax getting some help when the VHS destroyed it. Surely if Parity is as good as you say, then parity in every market is better? And why only
recently? I remember people fighting over the SNES Vs Genesis war, yet I don't remember anyone shouting from the rooftops that both were needed? Same with the NES and Master System.

Believe it or not Xbox is the only part of Microsoft that is actually making money right now, R&D into backend cloud servers at live probably have a huge pool of money. That is the beating heart of Xbox One, not the console its self. Considering that Microsoft sold 4 million plus or so in limited territories and PS4 launched world wide with what is it now 7 million? That 3 million difference isn't as big as people are making it out to be. Microsofts Xbox is its consumer based product, it's not going away anytime soon esp with Phil Spencer as head.

 

[MisterXDTV]

I would remove that ASAP junior.

Sorry guys!

 

[2345425]

Ok, i dont come to neogaf as much as I would like nowdays due to work but I can only assume that this was some massive attempt by the posters in this thread to make me, and all the other people in similar positions, laugh and want to come back more.

Surely the posts here are not for real.

These sorts of threads really bring out the crazies.

 

[rich7sena]

I think a Kinectless SKU for the holidays would be a great thing to do to spur on Xbox One sales. It's not that it's selling badly, but marketshare is a huge deal when there's only really two players in town. I'm sure Microsoft is exploring all options in order to secure adoption parity with Sony's Playstation.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Why are people using VG Charts so much around here all of a sudden?



Is this a poem?

Only read the caps.

 

[Dodecagon]

Only read the caps.

Coincidence

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

This thread is golden.

 

[Cess007]

Why are people using VG Charts so much around here all of a sudden?



Is this a poem?

I fell so hard for his post. Well done Dodecagon, well done

 

[Cueil]

This thread is golden.

I think this thread has Platinumed

 

[Afrodium]

This thread is fantastic. Thanks for giving me something to read at work, everyone.

 

[perk1n]

They already cut the price...

(Leipzig/Germany)

 

[Killroyskbg]

Believe it or not Xbox is the only part of Microsoft that is actually making money right now, R&D into backend cloud servers at live probably have a huge pool of money. That is the beating heart of Xbox One, not the console its self. Considering that Microsoft sold 4 million plus or so in limited territories and PS4 launched world wide with what is it now 7 million? That 3 million difference isn't as big as people are making it out to be. Microsofts Xbox is its consumer based product, it's not going away anytime soon esp with Phil Spencer as head.

Yeah the Xbox division is making tons of money for them compared to the other business areas. Xbox is NOTHING compared to their other business areas and hence the reason for stockholders wanting it to be sold. The money that is thrown at Xbox could be used much more efficiently in other areas with more profit.

And even if Xbox have not officially launched in all countries they still are available to buy so the released will make little to close the gap.

 

[BigDug13]

Wasn't the earlier figure for XBO worldwide sales their "shipped" numbers and not their "sell-through" numbers? With so many boxes sitting on store shelves, I'm really curious what their sell-through numbers are.

 

[ChiliManiac]

Yeah the Xbox division is making tons of money for them compared to the other business areas. Xbox is NOTHING compared to their other business areas and hence the reason for stockholders wanting it to be sold. The money that is thrown at Xbox could be used much more efficiently in other areas with more profit.

And even if Xbox have not officially launched in all countries they still are available to buy so the released will make little to close the gap.

Those charts are a few months old...there servers are catching up to Amazon in terms of sales.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Coincidence

Nevermind then,
I was gonna scan all your past
Comments to see if there were
Ever any other hidden messages.

 

[Cueil]

And you just sited Chartz so there goes what little credibility you have left. So long, thanks for playing. Here's a site better suited for you.

Gamefaqs? You trust CNET anymore then you trust those other guys? It's the only site that has any hard numbers... it's one thing to except software numbers, but hardware is not generally to far off

 

[Vashetti]

They already cut the price...

(Leipzig/Germany)

Flying off the shelves.

 

[Killroyskbg]

Those charts are a few months old...there servers are catching up to Amazon in terms of sales.

Please for the love of god tell me you are joking.

 

[Uno Venova]

They already cut the price...

(Leipzig/Germany)

They must really like having mountains of their product or just can't measure demand.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

$399 with Kinect, $299 without.
War over.

lol.. So they're going to lose 160$ and possibly even more with the other price cut?


Seriously?



No way MS even matches Sony on price unless there is a Kinectless SKU.

 

[Mask]

Believe it or not Xbox is the only part of Microsoft that is actually making money right now, R&D into backend cloud servers at live probably have a huge pool of money. That is the beating heart of Xbox One, not the console its self. Considering that Microsoft sold 4 million plus or so in limited territories and PS4 launched world wide with what is it now 7 million? That 3 million difference isn't as big as people are making it out to be. Microsofts Xbox is its consumer based product, it's not going away anytime soon esp with Phil Spencer as head.

Oh yeah, I wasn't saying the Xbox One is going away, just that MS won't let them have unlimited access to this "War Chest" that some of the other posters talk about.

The situation would have to be much more dire before they even consider officially dropping it, but even so, if the gap continues to grow, and profits start to shrink, they might put
restrictions on the amount of money they can spend on Exclusives and so on.

Microsoft is nothing if not persistant, judging by their Surface tablets.

 

[A_Gorilla]

Gamefaqs? You trust CNET anymore then you trust those other guys? It's the only site that has any hard numbers... it's one thing to except software numbers, but hardware is not generally to far off

Keep digging that hole for yourself.

 

[Killroyskbg]

Gamefaqs? You trust CNET anymore then you trust those other guys? It's the only site that has any hard numbers... it's one thing to except software numbers, but hardware is not generally to far off

Using the site in question in threads is followed by a bann from the mods so.

 

[Salex_]

Believe it or not Xbox is the only part of Microsoft that is actually making money right now, R&D into backend cloud servers at live probably have a huge pool of money. That is the beating heart of Xbox One, not the console its self. Considering that Microsoft sold 4 million plus or so in limited territories and PS4 launched world wide with what is it now 7 million? That 3 million difference isn't as big as people are making it out to be. Microsofts Xbox is its consumer based product, it's not going away anytime soon esp with Phil Spencer as head.

How big could the difference 5 months after the consoles launched? 3 million this early is a big difference. This is the stage where early buyers will be a big influence because other people want to play with their friends or borrow games from them. The price will also start to matter more than it did a few months ago.

 

[Glorified G]

Those charts are a few months old...there servers are catching up to Amazon in terms of sales.

You posted this:

Believe it or not Xbox is the only part of Microsoft that is actually making money right now

Which is demonstratively false as almost every other division has made much more money, but only a few months ago. Office for example, as of this moment is not making MS money. Is that what you're saying?

 

[Chobel]

Those charts are a few months old...there servers are catching up to Amazon in terms of sales.

lol

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Funny that not a single new game announcement but a couple news about some dashboard updates, bundle firesales and an announcement that the same dude that was already responsible for all xbox games all the previous years is now in charge of the xbox brand and all of a sudden ms has enough strong wind and clean record to go for "sony's throat"

Well, at least this way they've leaving some wiggle room; they could be using a knife, but it could be a comically bad karate chop too. They've already proven they can't kill Sony as per E3 2013.

First: Wich device requires a camera attached?
Second: The guy described an hypothetical case, If that happens I think MS will come up with solutions to all the isues that you said.

I don't have one but isn't it generally agreed using XBO with a controller is like pretending to be a trapeze artist in a moving labyrinth?

 

[Mass Effect]

Only read the caps.

Okay, that was pretty good.

 

[Averon]

Gamefaqs? You trust CNET anymore then you trust those other guys? It's the only site that has any hard numbers... it's one thing to except software numbers, but hardware is not generally to far off

Their hardware numbers aren't too far off because they do massive adjustments after more legitimate sources (NPD, quarterly reports) release data.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

please point to where I typed unlimited.... don't get upset... we NEED both consoles (preferable all three) to do extremely well because in the end that is what drives things forward.

We don't need any of that. The market will choose and show what consumers want. If that means XB1 will be a distant second place then thats a good thing. Its telling MS people want cheaper, more powerful hardware as well as no BS DRM.

if you think the PS2 era was good... >_> there was more garbage on the PS2 then on the Wii

Well thats because PS2 had a far far far larger library. Biggest in gaming history. It also has the best gaming library in gaming.

That certainly will be true... I imagine Japan will have more then a 2:1 ratio... some European countries, but US and UK are still the biggest markets and I don't care what Phil Spencer says I think consoles are all but dead in Japan. I really don't care if their is 4 or 10 million dollar difference when in the end you hope to see both systems go past the 80 million mark at the end of their life span.

The ration in JP will more likely be 20:1 lol

 

[Cueil]

Keep digging that hole for yourself.

If you can point me to a better site that tracks this stuff I'm more then happy to give it a look. I just don't understand why you link me GameFaqs... it makes no sense. I don't look at those guys as the be all end all, but they are the only site I know that post numbers anymore. You act like you know the universal truths so please point me to something with actual information that you find more valid.

 

[Cueil]

We don't need any of that. The market will choose and show what consumers want. If that means XB1 will be a distant second place then thats a good thing. Its telling MS people want cheaper, more powerful hardware as well as no BS DRM.



Well thats because PS2 had a far far far larger library. Biggest in gaming history. It also has the best gaming library in gaming.



The ration in JP will more likely be 20:1 lol

more like Crappy: more crappy

and yes they had a MASSIVE library much of that was crap... if I had any desire I'd go and find out the ratio of good (70 +) to bad (50 and below) on metacritic... I wonder if it would be around the same ball part percentage wise?

 

[Killroyskbg]

If you can point me to a better site that tracks this stuff I'm more then happy to give it a look. I just don't understand why you link me GameFaqs... it makes no sense. I don't look at those guys as the be all end all, but they are the only site I know that post numbers anymore. You act like you know the universal truths so please point me to something with actual information that you find more valid.

Just because a site puts numbers up does not mean it is accurate. This site in particular have an awful history of making numbers up and fixing them later after official reports so they are nothing to go by hence the rules of this forum do not allow its users to use it in any form.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Those charts are a few months old...there servers are catching up to Amazon in terms of sales.

Not sure if you being serious or not but MS cloud services do not depend on X1 .
There are there for anyone that wants to use them form within MS or for outside , Azure is not something done for X1 and it is it's own thing .
Also there many parts of MS that making money .

EDIT in here has gotten to crazy for me so i out .

 

[FranXico]

Amazing thread. Very entertaining.

Thank you gentlemen.

 

[Glorified G]

Amazing thread. Very entertaining.

Thank you gentlemen.

I feel like this is an April's Fools thread. People posting information which is the exact opposite of reality

 

[Killroyskbg]

more like Crappy: more crappy

and yes they had a MASSIVE library much of that was crap... if I had any desire I'd go and find out the ratio of good (70 +) to bad (50 and below) on metacritic... I wonder if it would be around the same ball part percentage wise?

Seriously what is hard to get? Even if there were 1000s of crappy games it does not make the good ones bad? I buy the games I want to play and in the ps2 era you could drown in them. No one force you to buy the bad ones!

 

[Unknown One]

It took Sony years to shrink down a 3-5 million gap. MS isn't going to shrink that 3 million gap. It's going to grow.

 

[Melchiah]

more like Crappy: more crappy

and yes they had a MASSIVE library much of that was crap... if I had any desire I'd go and find out the ratio of good (70 +) to bad (50 and below) on metacritic... I wonder if it would be around the same ball part percentage wise?

I'm pretty sure the actual amount of 70+ games on the PS2 overshadows many other platforms' offerings.

 

[Apathy]

If you can point me to a better site that tracks this stuff I'm more then happy to give it a look. I just don't understand why you link me GameFaqs... it makes no sense . I don't look at those guys as the be all end all, but they are the only site I know that post numbers anymore. You act like you know the universal truths so please point me to something with actual information that you find more valid.

Seriously you don't get why he linked you to gamefaqs or why when someone said "this thread is gold" its a direct reference to making fun of you for what you've been spewing?

Holy shit!

PS. He said that cause you said sony ponies http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=108026880&postcount=799 it's some bullshit you would hear on gamefaqs or youtube comments