This man makes an excellent point and put into words exactly what I was thinking when I saw this news. I hope I'm wrong.
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antiquegamer
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I can't speak for the new Nexus 7 (but skimming the thread on GAF, the impression is far from positive).
I would wait for new iPad mini retina, unless you really need a tablet. I also find the 7" form factor to be too small for reading.
lastflowers
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I just have some cash burning a hole in my pocket and want to buy some formfactors that I don't really have my own device for. I've rolled with android/iOS before on phones/tablets, but only for a week or so at a time (my friends' devices). Figure why not get some of the better devices out there to muck around with during the football season.
juliushandle
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1020 maybe the last Nokia branded flagship with a 41mp sensor. I hope they drop in price, I'd snatch one.
Microsoft's plan is probably to flood the market with more 520 variations as it's the only proven WP8 device that's proven in all territories including the US. Occasionally, a high end Surface phone will be released but I doubt it will have a 41mp.
like I said, this is the end of Nokia as we know it.
Microsoft's plan is probably to flood the market with more 520 variations as it's the only proven WP8 device that's proven in all territories including the US. Occasionally, a high end Surface phone will be released but I doubt it will have a 41mp.
like I said, this is the end of Nokia as we know it.
antiquegamer
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I only use tablet for reading (web, books, magazine) so screen is the most important thing for me and next is performance (not gaming but when scrolling, browsing and reading news). I should have just bite the bullet and got the iPad mini then and then upgrade later to retina.
I highly doubt it.
lastflowers
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yeah, pretty much the same, which is exactly why I'm disappointed about that nexus. Not that it matters, I'll probably just end up buying nexus5/mini iPad (retina) in a month.
I agree 100% with what you posted, nice job.
Microsoft shouldn't be given the benefit of doubt when they've been given numerous chances to prove themselves and never deliver. They'll have to earn it with their actions and so far nothing from them to me indicates they're all in on mobile. Man this sucks, thought Nokia was just hitting their stride too.
lastflowers
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It has potential to speed up the weird hardware areas that Nokia invests in. Previously, an OEM might have to worry about investing in something like wireless charging, because at the is level it wouldn't work. Shoring up that supply chain a year in advance is difficult to do if you aren't sure that the outs is going to support it. Conversely, we can focus on making those types of things possible and more integrated into the OS. Why spend a lot of man hours to enable fm if no OEM would have the hardware to support it? After some thought, I feel it can really help them.
It also has the potential to end up like you say.
While I won't give them the benefit of the doubt, I don't know how $7.1 billion doesn't indicate that they are all in.
juliushandle
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They purchased Skype and where did that go? It was suppose to destroy Facetime.
Not sure what you're suggesting. The fact that Facetime hasn't been destroyed doesn't really mean anything.
Microsoft has changed the entire Skype back end, Skype accounts and Microsoft accounts are now the same, the Skype codec is being used in other products, Skype is built into XB1, Skype is still on every platform...
They also spent $6 billion on aQuantive and did that also mean they were all in on internet advertising? The thing is that a lot of companies that they acquire often seem to lose themselves and become a shadow of they once were. Remember Danger? What happened to them after they released the kin?
It has potential to speed up the weird hardware areas that Nokia invests in. Previously, an OEM might have to worry about investing in something like wireless charging, because at the is level it wouldn't work. Shoring up that supply chain a year in advance is difficult to do if you aren't sure that the outs is going to support it. Conversely, we can focus on making those types of things possible and more integrated into the OS. Why spend a lot of man hours to enable fm if no OEM would have the hardware to support it? After some thought, I feel it can really help them.
It also has the potential to end up like you say.
I'm hoping the scenario that you gave is the case and it does eventually help out. However my one concern is how long a transition this is all going go take to get there.
campfireweekend
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Wait, does Facetime actually beat Skype in terms of users? What are you implying?
juliushandle
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it's never taken off on mobile. Its a shame cuz its cross platform and could have been the primary mobile video chat service by now.
Haha true, aQuantive was a bit of a disaster.
I don't know, I guess we'll have to see how it turns out. As someone that does software for a living, it is very hard for me to look at Microsoft and Windows Phone and assume that they aren't all in. There are so many challenges, stake holders, and so on that you can't just look at the fact that you don't have separate volume controls yet and assume its because they aren't trying.
Doesn't mean they aren't trying
Really though, when it comes to stuff like this it is kind of hard to compete with a native alternative when the platform has an extremely large number of users.VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
The 1020 is glorious, it really is. It is absolutely revolutionary in the imaging department, and the more I use it, the better I get, and I'm getting some stunning frickin images. I just took a one day staycation and the images I have are the best I've ever taken in my life. To take these images without any extra equipment and in such a compact form factor is something that an internet review cannot properly convey.
This phone deserved to set the world on fire, and it doesn't look like it did. If this is Nokia's swan song, it is the absolute perfect way to go out. With a quirky looking device that pushed the boundaries of what was possible in smartphone imaging. Mark my words, it will be at least another two years, if not more, before the performance on the 1020 camera is matched by another manufacturer, not counting $500 clip on lenses.
antiquegamer
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This is what I am afraid of the most, the accelerating innovation at Microsoft speed...
Obviously they have to deliver, but it sounds likes most of you are already convinced it will be a failure. Anyways I try to optimistic about things.
juliushandle
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you ain't gotta sell me on the 1020. I check its prices everyday and check my 920's resale value.
it's a very worthy swan song, a phone I'd be proud to own.
I was just hoping the swan song would be in the form of a 4.7-5.3" 1080p screen, qi charging built in, 41mp sensor, quad core. The more this Nokia acquisition is playing out, the less likely we'll see such a phone.
That's why this deal sucks. Microsoft would never risk creating a 41 Megapixel camera phine and would just stick a generic 12-16 one in. I don't think they'll take as much risk now that they've been brought in house. I'm hoping that they do allow the hardware to take risks and come up with innovative design instead of playing it safe.
Yes that's probably the case as Nokia probably couldn't keep going at the same pace without some cash infusion. If they do end up buying Blackberry things are going to get worse and even longer to sort through.
Most of what MS has been doing is shifting towards mobile, e.g. gambling with the UI of the Windows OS to build familiarity with Metro and thus WinPhone. Like PG2G said I don't see why MS would just squander 7 billion on the Nokia purchase, especially when Nokia seemed to already have all its eggs in the WP basket anyway.
I'd like to be optimistic and think that MS is doubling down on WP by moving the Nokia and OS teams closer together, but MS's history of embrace, extend, extinguish is going to stay with them for a long, long time, and I find it hard to get onboard 100% with their Nokia buyout.
That's a little too pessimistic, even for this thread lol. MS realises they're not competing in a vacuum, crazy shit like 41MP cameras is a huge part of Nokia's allure and MS would be insane not to keep pushing on that front.
I'd like to be optimistic and think that MS is doubling down on WP by moving the Nokia and OS teams closer together, but MS's history of embrace, extend, extinguish is going to stay with them for a long, long time, and I find it hard to get onboard 100% with their Nokia buyout.
That's a little too pessimistic, even for this thread lol. MS realises they're not competing in a vacuum, crazy shit like 41MP cameras is a huge part of Nokia's allure and MS would be insane not to keep pushing on that front.
juliushandle
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I'm sorry but this is Microsoft we are talking about. They've killed exciting projects like the Courier and killed off innovative companies that they've purchased like Danger.
Like others have said though, this deal happened for a reason. Nokia doesn't have to resources to successfully launch a slew of products globally in a matter where the company would be profitable.
Microsoft and Nokia failed in the crucial US market and this is where we are at today.
*insert this is NeoGaf gif
Haha, true. Reminds me of an XB1 thread but less extreme
juliushandle
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Nokia was to have an event this month to introduce the Bandit phanlet and possibly a Win RT tablet. Let's see how this plays out.
http://mynokiablog.com/2013/07/31/n...mber-26-2013-nokia-world-tablet-phablet-both/
business as usual or will the event/device be postponed/cancelled?
http://mynokiablog.com/2013/07/31/n...mber-26-2013-nokia-world-tablet-phablet-both/
business as usual or will the event/device be postponed/cancelled?
The Faceless Master
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i can only assume the people who are totally optimistic of this move got a WP8 handset as their first mobile phone. the rest of us remember Windows Phone 7, Windows Mobile 6, Kin, Zune, etc... Microsoft has a history, a track record of wasted opportunities and half-assed efrorts on brilliant products. they were so far ahead and sat on it and got passed and now lapped. it really would be nice to have this thing be a 3 way competition as while Nokia may not have had the great success they have shown a great effort but then there's Microsoft and they aren't holding their end of the weight up.
The purchase won't even be official until 2014, I am sure they will continue on with whatever plans they have.
Ugh I have a WP8, WP7, WM6, and Zune from that list and I'm part of the problem. Keep buying failed products from them and soon you start feeling like a sucker.
I own plenty of products that has discontinued soon after I purchased them and I have no problems with it. As long the thing works and I'm happy with it, what's wrong with that?
Unless you're talking about future support, it's never a good idea to buy something for an update you think might happen in the future.
VanMardigan
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I went windows mobile-iPhone 3g-Nexus 1-Samsung Focus-Focus S-Lumia 920-Lumia 1020. I also own a Zune30. I regret nothing.
juliushandle
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Nokia created an app for that.
Meanwhile at Microsoft, they were adding a 3rd row of tiles.
hankster
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http://www.windowsphone.com/s?appid=0aeb1b49-f255-41ec-bf47-897b56b15584What app is this....
It's losing marketplace support soon so that's going to be a big blow. I use the Zune software at work and sync the songs I download from the marketplace to my device but I won't even be able do that anymore. Xbox Music website is a joke and I don't want to move to it.
lastflowers
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Your life will get better for music.
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Thank you, we need something as good as the Zune desktop app or better.
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