Crash Station
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Nah, there's actual progression. An arc could end and it might be months later. The manga is probably well past the halfway point now. Not that we'll ever see that in animated form.
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Nah, there's actual progression. An arc could end and it might be months later. The manga is probably well past the halfway point now. Not that we'll ever see that in animated form.
So then this definitely has an expiration date.
Idolmaster: Cinderella Girls 1
Rin Shibuya for best girlFrankly never watched the first Idolmaster. Maybe I should..
You should. Way better characters in it with more defined personalities.
UltraGunner
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Is this what people mean when they call something food porn? With how sensuous the eating is it feels like a literal interpretation of the word.
Is this what people mean when they call something food porn? With how sensuous the eating is it feels like a literal interpretation of the word.
A Black Falcon
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I mentioned one Kancolle manga that has blatant modern-Japanese-military propaganda in it. Most of the other Kancolle mangas aren't that overly obvious about it, but one, "Kantai Collection -KanColle- Tomarigi no Chinjufu", does end each chapter with a two or so page story about what happened to one of the actual ships the girls are based on -- their usually-doomed attempts to survive against the enemy American fleets, etc. From an American perspective this may seem like it's just telling history, and that's definitely part of it, but I think that there's at least some "honor Japan's wartime past" pro-military pushing to it as well, when combined with everything else in the series at least; that kind of is the theme of the franchise.
I know that Kancolle, GuP, and Strike Witches all surely attract that pro-military crowd, but only Kancolle is so blatant about pushing it within the franchise itself. And only Kancolle has only Axis forces represented, and not any Allied ones. That makes it clearly worse than those others.
... "the one and only story"? But I have read and seen multiple other series with essentially that same premise... they're all terrible. The only things different there from the rest of this subgenre of harem are "dragon" instead of just magic or powers or something, and "I will kill you", which I presume has some kind of explanation.
Psycho_Mantis
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Parasyte's OST lived up to the hype!
Theonik
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Moreover, the threat of the 'timebomb' effect was not in the cards on the original OVA. They had been told the bodyparts were just symbolic in the game of pool.
I wonder if that is just them trying to up the stakes for the TV series or part of their respective games.
The hype of infamy?
Admiral Woofington
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I... must've missed that part, can you tell me where you get this reasoning? I wasn't able to watch the post-credit scene. Unless you're talking about the chatty bridesmaids and that the implication was the opposite
The final flashback
shows the husband on the phone in bed, not the wife, the reverse of the the husband's delusion about the wife's affair. As well as the wife's heelturn at the end coming after a realization of what kind of man her husband really was, it was very... postured, complete with typical villain laughter - It's not much a stretch to see how out of character that was for her compared to her actions up to that point.
Apparently not considering how many of you didn't pick up on some of this stuff?
Theonik
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No, the part you were talking about was really obvious. Which made the post-credit scene all the more confusing.
NaDannMaGoGo
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Just watched the scene again and I'm pretty darn sure it's Machiko lying ashamed next to her secret lover, not her husband. They don't look the same and it's not like the man in that flashback is even attempting to hide his phone or anything. The guy is probably just having a post-coital smoke and relaxes a bit. He doesn't seem to mind that affair, presumably because he isn't in a relationship or just doesn't care.
The Buddhist theory that was posted earlier was an interesting explanation for that I thought, even if it isn't completely satisfactory, and hopefully they'll touch more on it in future episodes. Considering they
introduced the two doors as heaven and hell, and in the post-credit scene used the terms void and reincarnation, I'm hopeful they will explain that further.
Theonik
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But then it is still uncharacteristic for her to react like that at this point and her reaction to the husband getting mad isn't consistent with the rest of that scene unless she was acting before to take her husband's guilt.
Psycho_Mantis
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Just look at the episode 6 impressions
Honestly there's not much dubstep in the OST and some really really good tunes with the piano <3
Theonik
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How many men have I slept with? How many breads have you had in your life?
KISAMA!!!!!
She was cheating on her husband and felt regret, you can see that even in her immediate reaction. Yet despite all of that, she still loved him. You can see in the ED how happy she was at the wedding. She saw his internal anger at himself and that all he wanted was a family, and so decided to take on his hatred by playing up the whole 'moneydigger' aspect. She was also probably ashamed of herself as well so it was a form of self-punishment on her part. Note that she actually wipes away her tears before she gives that speech, you can see it in how her arms go across her face despite the camera being to her back.
Now as to stuff like whether the kid was his? Who the hell knows. She might have been a habitual cheater.
Yeah I like my interpretation better and I'm gonna put the blame on funi's encode for obscuring that critical flashback ( ≖‿≖
I saw it as she still loved him despite the fact he's accusing her of cheating so she wanted to take the blame and let him feel better, and of course she's crying, she's broken hearted because her husband is calling her a cheater?
Yeah I like my interpretation better and I'm gonna put the blame on funi's encode for obscuring that critical flashback ( ≖‿≖
I saw it as she still loved him despite the fact he's accusing her of cheating so she wanted to take the blame and let him feel better, and of course she's crying, she's broken hearted because her husband is calling her a cheater?
The husband definitely wasn't the one cheating on her, that was clearly from her point of view.
Admiral Woofington
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I'm part of the mindset that if you're a cheater you do not love your significant other. And if you do, you have a fucked up definition of what love is. So I can't really feel pity for her if that's her story.
NaDannMaGoGo
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Well besides what Jarmel is mentioning, yes, I do think these characters and the direction were rather lacking. Early on already the pair just didn't seem to behave human (and like a freshly wed pair) considering the circumstances. How easily they accepted the game and kept on playing at a whim despite the pain they were obviously causing each other.
That may be because they had to go with a really fast pace to pack it all in one episode but still, can't say their behavior felt especially believable. And the overreactions later on...sigh. The man's facial expression and extreme drooling -_-
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Meh, if that's the worst she's done that no, I wouldn't want to put her to hell for it. Granted this anime's version of hell may be just normal death in the form that you're simply truly gone without reincarnation. Overall though I just don't feel comfortable judging characters like that and I wonder if the show is going to explore that. Or what's even really the point of this game. Like the masks / characters switching position later on is implying that initially the man was the one going to hell but it changed because of the game and/or how the characters acted alongside. So these arbiters do not have exact knowledge about the characters? There's no omniscient entity judging them? Or is there but that one can be mistaken and somehow the 'true' person is only revealed through these kind of fucked up games?
I mean I suppose it goes to show that this first episode put up some interesting questions for me, I just hope I get satisfying answers along the way.
I think people make mistakes. Now if she was a habitual cheater, then yes she can jump into a pit of fire. That said, the husband may have 'drove' her to cheat with him acting paranoid after hearing that bathroom gossip. Really this couple had a huge communication issue, well unless she really was a golddigger and was potentially going to use the kid to suck up more money out of him.
They're gonna have to flesh out how the system works but right now it sounds pretty fucked up. It's possible that if you win, you choose where you end up going. However the problem with that is how the dart game was set up in this episode. Mainly if you were a jackass and stole the other person's darts, you could win through underhanded methods. Also the notion of judging someone by how well they can play a bar game is pretty stupid.
It makes more sense that the games are all just a test to judge the characters and how they respond. In which case, the system has incomplete knowledge and is judging them in a limited scenario. I wouldn't be surprised though if it turns out that the bartender is the one who hands out the determination.
NaDannMaGoGo
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In order to be topical one of the next men or women will have drawn the prophet Mohammed in their life...will he/she be send to heaven or hell?!?
Admiral Woofington
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As to people making mistakes, if she had owned up to the mistake beforehand it would have been something.Don't get me wrong, the husband was no saint either. He was willing to try and fuck over/kill his wife because of this. Neither of them deserved the best outcome. I feel like the show is going to try to drive home the message of the darkness of humanity and that we're inherently evil or something, but I really really hope there's an episode with a person willing to sacrifice themselves for the other. I don't want every person to come to this show to get crazy Code Geass fisheye lens crazy eyes
They definitely need to do a poker game with 4 participants. That would be amazing.
Oh and where is the Death Parade OT?
Well from the husband's point of view, this wasn't just an one night stand or something. From his perspective, she never loved him and was using him for his money while she laughed at him behind his back. Both women and men have been killed for a shitload less than that. That's up there on the worst possible things a human being can do to another human being list.
Oh and where is the Death Parade OT?
Well from the husband's point of view, this wasn't just an one night stand or something. From his perspective, she never loved him and was using him for his money while she laughed at him behind his back. Both women and men have been killed for a shitload less than that. That's up there on the worst possible things a human being can do to another human being list.
Jex
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I can understand trepidation after the nature of the darts was demonstrated but after the display of corpses I think (or at least I would like to think
All that kind of activity would just fill the episode with two much content unrelated to the actual characters at the centre of the story. There's not really enough time to explore that content and it's pretty clear the bartender has some unknowable powers.
Jex
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[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders] - 25
Looking back at the OVA telling of this arc it's interesting to note that it's basically a shot for shot remake of the manga, and thus nearly identical to this TV version here except that for whatever reason the OVA greatly expands the action and adds a number of other stages to the fight. For being anime original material, the extra fight content seems remarkably well done and is actually pretty awesome.
Anyway, everyone knows this part is obviously the best moment in the fight:
Looking back at the OVA telling of this arc it's interesting to note that it's basically a shot for shot remake of the manga, and thus nearly identical to this TV version here except that for whatever reason the OVA greatly expands the action and adds a number of other stages to the fight. For being anime original material, the extra fight content seems remarkably well done and is actually pretty awesome.
Anyway, everyone knows this part is obviously the best moment in the fight:
A Black Falcon
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Who cares which one was actually cheating? The actual problem with the episode is the ludicrously absurd (and violently, backwardly sexist) idea that
cheating is somehow worse than attempted murder and suicidally jealous rage... when it's the woman cheating, that is. If it was the guy cheating and the woman being violent, I'm sure she'd still be the one condemned at the end.
The villain's the same after that reveal as it was before it, though;
he's still far, far worse by any measure.
Admiral Woofington
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I've learned to live with it since western dramas can't have a successful marriage, there always needs to be a cheating spouse. And 90% of the time it's the husband.
Jex
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Is it really though? 'Cheating' or being cheated on is one of the most common experiences that human beings have with regards to relationships. It's been a major part of human literature, or even human storytelling, forever because is such a widely experienced occurrence.
NaDannMaGoGo
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Heh true, it's almost as if the actual reason for the death of these 2, the extremely reckless driving of the husband, is pushed aside. As if we're supposed to believe his rage is completely justified and not containing it when driving is A-OK too.
Turin Turambar
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Technically, NTR doesn't refer to just normal cheating in a story, but sexually fetishistic cheating.
Theonik
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That source... Doesn't sound right.
Jex
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Death Parade Spoilers
No, that's not quite right.
Now I think there's way more ambiguity in the episode then there should be, really. I don't think it's supposed to be an ambiguous story, it's supposed to be a story about the cruel things people do to each other and therefore obfuscating the truth of their relationship serves literally no purpose. That's why right at the end
That's the reading that's supported by the text. I don't think it was done very well though.
You really have to ignore all the evidence to get to this reading, especially ignoring the symbolism of where she throws the darts at. I would agree that I prefer that version of the story but I just don't think it's correct at all.
Considering the amount of legitimate confusion, all of it quite reasonable, about the ending I'd say they kind of messed up in how they told this tale. It should be clear cut.
No, that's not quite right.
The person shown in that flashback does not have the same character design as the husband at all. You'd also have to fail to read the places the darts hit, it's symbolic you know? Like when she hits him in the eyes, because he was blind to her cheating, and when she hits him in the heart because she broke his heart. She also pulls out that completely improbable and obvious lie to cover for what her friends said about her.
Now I think there's way more ambiguity in the episode then there should be, really. I don't think it's supposed to be an ambiguous story, it's supposed to be a story about the cruel things people do to each other and therefore obfuscating the truth of their relationship serves literally no purpose. That's why right at the end
they show the masks. She gets the bad mask, he gets the good mask. They even seem to spell it out by saying she goes to void. I've seen people argue that we shouldn't be taking that literally by why would we have to make a counter-intuitive reading? Why not just accept what's going on at face value?
That's the reading that's supported by the text. I don't think it was done very well though.
Yeah I like my interpretation better and I'm gonna put the blame on funi's encode for obscuring that critical flashback ( ≖‿≖
I saw it as she still loved him despite the fact he's accusing her of cheating so she wanted to take the blame and let him feel better, and of course she's crying, she's broken hearted because her husband is calling her a cheater?
You really have to ignore all the evidence to get to this reading, especially ignoring the symbolism of where she throws the darts at. I would agree that I prefer that version of the story but I just don't think it's correct at all.
Considering the amount of legitimate confusion, all of it quite reasonable, about the ending I'd say they kind of messed up in how they told this tale. It should be clear cut.
In a way, the tone sort of feels like what Paranoia Agent's OP did for it, though it's was a bit more bizarre.
Nine year old Doronjo defalted a bit of the hype, but I'm still interested. Has a lot of potential.
Jex
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So this season already has quite a few great OP's: Death Parade, Cinderella Girls and Garo which helps to balance out against the awful new JoJo's OP.
As Jarmel says, the decision to make the Death Parade an upbeat dance number was a great choice by the staff. Plenty of shows will try to undercut their darker content with bouts of levity but it's interesting to see a show build that very idea into the OP itself so as to permanently ensure your experience with watching the show isn't depressing the whole way through. Also, as it's part of the OP, they don't have to worry about injecting levity into the actual death game itself which can stay firmly siloed as one tonally consistent piece.
As Jarmel says, the decision to make the Death Parade an upbeat dance number was a great choice by the staff. Plenty of shows will try to undercut their darker content with bouts of levity but it's interesting to see a show build that very idea into the OP itself so as to permanently ensure your experience with watching the show isn't depressing the whole way through. Also, as it's part of the OP, they don't have to worry about injecting levity into the actual death game itself which can stay firmly siloed as one tonally consistent piece.
Basileus777
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Death Parade 1
I thought it was pretty clear that
And while there is something uncomfortable about condemning someone like this for
, it's sort of the inevitable result of a story premise based around casting judgement and sending only one of two flawed people to the void. The premise is kind of silly if you really want to think about it. Why does this only happen when two people die at the same time? Why must one person be sent up and one down? Or maybe there will be a scenario in the future where both people get condemned.
I thought it was pretty clear that
the wife did indeed cheat.
cheating
I wasn't unreasonably hyped for it, but the opening episode was good. It met what I expected from a series continuing from Death Billiards.
SliceSabre
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Right now I'm simply operating under the assumption that this is one of those shows in which the players should not actually want to win the game and part of the game is figuring that out. To win the game is to actually lose.
nozaki-kun sp1-3
how on earth are they gonna have enough material for a second season when they're already relegating such a great chapter to a chopped up special?!
Simple....get the author to script new material for a second season.
NaDannMaGoGo
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Or rather the game's sole purpose is for the characters to perform some introspection and reveal their true self or s.th. Jexhius mentioned all the symbolism in the dart game and it didn't really seems like most/all of the throws were guided by some other force.
Psycho_Mantis
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Its quite rare though....well for me and the anime I choose to watch.
I think we can all agree that harem and the tropes that follow that "genre" are by far the worst.
Admiral Woofington
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I just want to meet the other characters in Death Parade. For some reason it's reminding me of that Neil Gaiman's Sandman dark family of gods.
Jex
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