Wkd BO 03•25-27•16 - Batman vs Superman (or Grindr hookup gone sideways) bests Bunny

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I don't see this movie getting good WoM at all (from casuals, general audience). It's like a PG-13 Watchmen, it just doesn't have the mass market appeal. This movie could've had better writing but still not have good WoM (would've had better reviews that's about it) because the action content is actually kinda low percent wise.
 
Not really.

You tried to draw a line between "reviews" and "word of mouth" as if word of mouth isn't simply a bunch of people reviewing the movie to each other.

Your argument is bad.

You're arguing semantics - you know exactly what I mean. I'll re-word my argument differently to appeal to your sensibilities. Not to help you understand - because you know exactly what I mean. I'll re-word the argument only to get past this semantics squabble: The movie reviews from RottenTomatoes.com didn't mean shit, because people still came out to watch the movie and people don't give a fuck what movie critics on that web site say.
 
You're arguing semantics - you know exactly what I mean. I'll re-word my argument differently to appeal to your sensibilities. Not to help you understand - because you know exactly what I mean. I'll re-word the argument only to get past this semantics squabble: The movie reviews from RottenTomatoes.com didn't mean shit, because people still came out to watch the movie and people don't give a fuck what movie critics on that web site say.
I don't think you understand what your saying.
 
You're arguing semantics - you know exactly what I mean.

It's not really semantics. Your entire argument is predicated on the idea that word of mouth and reviews are separate. They're not. When you tell someone your thoughts on a movie, you're reviewing it. That's all you're doing. Word of mouth is nothing but a lot of that happening amongst a lot of people.

Opening weekend has nothing to do with critical consensus or word of mouth really, only in the most extreme of circumstances does such a thing really cause a dent (and even then, it's mostly just a dent). Arguing that this film gave the big bird to the scenario you're putting forth isn't much of an argument, because it pretty much never happens.

Opening weekend is a reflection of brand awareness and marketing efficiency.

2nd and 3rd weekend is a reflection of word of mouth and reviews. (word of mouth being reviews, again)

You're simultaneously arguing that people don't give a fuck what reviews say while arguing that what really counts is what happens when they review it.
 
I honestly think people saw it just to see just how shitty the movie could possibly be. I know that's why I went since I was morbidly curious. I left the movie, saw the next crowd and just muttered "I fucking pity you people."
Well you should have walked out and thrown yourself over a bridge. I bet the crowd coming in would pity you after hearing about your story.
 
Useless trivia time

List of major Batman films that didn't set the opening weekend record:
- Batman and Robin
- Batman Begins
- The Dark Knight Rises
- Batman v Superman

List of major Batman films that didn't crack Top 3 comic book openings of all time:
- Batman Begins
- Batman v Superman
 
Lionsgate going to jump into comic book movies bandwagon soon.

But before, Lionsgate will grace you with a Four spin-off from the Divergent series as we at Lionsgate like to milk our IP's to death.

Sincerely,

Lionsgate Management
 
If this movie had a 90%+ on RT (and was actually amazing) then it would've cracked $200 million.

Well you should have walked out and thrown yourself over a bridge. I bet the crowd coming in would pity you after hearing about your story.
Not cool man.
 
So that's it, then. We're really getting Zack Snyder's Justice League in 18 months and there's nothing we can do about it.

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Things are just getting stupid now. One billion is a failure? Categorically false.

Tbf. It all depends how much the movie cost to make. If a movie cost 2b and only made 1.5b is that a failure? It may not be in box office takings but overall?
 
Critics crying in the corner cause they over estimate their influence on an IP focused industry. Critics review are important for unknown movies or new intellectual properties, not so much here, people love & know these characters and don't really need an overly pompous elitist to tell them if they should see it or not.

The worst thing that could had happened to this movie was indifference not attention, even if that attention was negative people learned that a new movie was out there and that's what matters the most and if you hate watch it WB still wins.
Why do you think that professional reviewers care about the box office?
 
Reviews don't hurt Transformer movies, then why the fuck would it hurt Batman vs Superman movie?

Transformers: AOE opening weekend contributed to over 40% of its domestic box-office gross; word of mouth and less than stellar *reviews* contributed to its decline the following weeks - that's what many are speaking of: what will be BvS' hold moving forward?
 
My point is that it depends where the review is coming from. Is it coming from your close circle of friends and family members? People whose opinion you actually care about? Or is it coming from the movie critics that gave this movie a 20% or whatever on RottenTomatoes.com?

What does this even mean?
 
Transformers: AOE opening weekend contributed to over 40% of its domestic box-office gross; word of mouth and less than stellar word of mouth contributed to its decline the following weeks - that's what many are speaking of: what will be BvS' hold moving forward?

Transformers: AOE also made a billion dollars on a 200 million budget. If WB makes a billion dollar on a 250 million budget plus merchandise, I think they will be happy.
 
It also made a billion dollars on a 200 million budget. If WB makes a billion dollar on a 250 million budget plus merchandise, I think they will be happy.

This movie had over a 400 million+ budget when you include P&A.

If they gross a billion worldwide with international accounting for 60% they'd just about break even since they only get about half the box office revenue for US and about 30% internationally. Still they'll make money with merchandising, product placement, home video etc.

Still, they really wanted this to be an avengers style hit and do 1.5 billion+
 
I remember when the first Divergent movie was coming out and people were saying it was going to be bigger than the Hunger Games. I had a good laugh at that. Those books were just terrible.
 
Critics aren't doing this.

Why do you think that professional reviewers care about the box office?

Really? Isn't this guy below a critic? He's listed in that RT you all seem to like.

if there's any justice, dawning or otherwise, at the multiplex, audiences will reject Zack Snyder's lumbering, dead-on-arrival superhero mélange, a $250 million tombstone for a genre in dire need of a break.
Joshua Rothkopf
Time Out
 
That BvS Metacritic user score of 7.3 is very telling about potential lack of huge impending drop IMO. Also the fact that Thursday~Friday to Saturday~Sunday saw a big BO increase.
 
People who frequent forums and follow the state of things,go to see it for that reason. Those people you saw aren't the same type. Neither is the majority of the movie going crowd.
Sadly I know this to be true and I know there are those that just went to see it because they wanted to see it for fun. I had no fun, therefore I pity them. Granted I'm well aware that there are actually a good amount of people that enjoyed the movie, so more power to them.
 
BvS failed upwards at the boxoffice. Not even poor trailers, poor reception and mixed (at best) word of mouth can defeat the morbid curiosity of such a match-up.

But now that itch has been scratched, and this movie offers nothing outside of its marketing-propelled gimmick. Next weekend is going to be some shit.
 
Critics crying in the corner cause they over estimate their influence on an IP focused industry. Critics review are important for unknown movies or new intellectual properties, not so much here, people love & know these characters and don't really need an overly pompous elitist to tell them if they should see it or not.

The worst thing that could had happened to this movie was indifference not attention, even if that attention was negative people learned that a new movie was out there and that's what matters the most and if you hate watch it WB still wins.

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Reviews don't hurt Transformer movies, then why the fuck would it hurt Batman vs Superman movie?

They did. The film grossed over $300 million in China, that's what saved it. BvS is currently doing comparable numbers to Ant-Man over there.
 
Really? Isn't this guy below a critic? He's listed in that RT you all seem to like.

So you pulled one guy? And him framing his negative review as "hopefully people turn their back on bad filmmaking" is somehow out of bounds for a critic to say/think? You seriously think he's crying in the corner somewhere because that isnt' happening?

"That RT you all seem to like" is just stupid, too. You don't even know who you're addressing with that. You're just shooting shit off.
 
The haters here are like the same ones that shit in every Pacific Rim thread. You just can't let others enjoy something or let something have success when your personal opinion needs to Trump all. Gets so annoying and old. Opinions are fine, but the hyperbole and hate expressed is just shit.

JadedWriter - "I had no fun, therefore I pity them."

I don't even have to search far for something. Really? Pity people that may have actually enjoyed something? Really? Gawddamn.
 
Well you should have walked out and thrown yourself over a bridge. I bet the crowd coming in would pity you after hearing about your story.
Well that's probably escalating criticism of this movie far beyond what is warranted. I said that cause I was pretty sure they wouldn't enjoy the movie, not because I thought myself better than them.
 
The haters here are like the same ones that shit in every Pacific Rim thread. You just can't let others enjoy something or let something have success when your personal opinion needs to Trump all. Gets so annoying and old. Opinions are fine, but the hyperbole and hate expressed is just shit.

JadedWriter - "I had no fun, therefore I pity them."

I don't even have to search far for something. Really? Pity people that may have actually enjoyed something? Really? Gawddamn.
Would it actually surprise you that I like Pacific Rim?
 
The haters here are like the same ones that shit in every Pacific Rim thread. You just can't let others enjoy something or let something have success when your personal opinion needs to Trump all. Gets so annoying and old. Opinions are fine, but the hyperbole and hate expressed is just shit.

JadedWriter - "I had no fun, therefore I pity them."

I don't even have to search far for something. Really? Pity people that may have actually enjoyed something? Really? Gawddamn.

What does any of this have to do with box office number discussion?
 
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