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[BattleMonkey]

Has GB opened most places internationally already? Those International #'s are hideous so far

 

[Triggerhappytel]

When your back's against the wall you tend to do crazy shit in the hope that something sticks. Remember, 21 Jump Street x MIB coming soon. Sony have had this string of unnecessary and expensive 80s reboots every two years for a few years now. 2012: $125 million Total Recall movie. 2014: $100 million Robocop reboot. 2016: $144 million Ghostbusters relaunch. Too bad Pascal is gone, because now I'm not sure we're going to see a 2018 entry in this cinematic universe.

I was thinking about this the other day, and Sony are probably the worst major movie studio at the moment. They're doing loads of poorly-considered remakes and they don't have any reliable in-house stuff to fall back on to bring in profit like most other major studios.

 

[tkscz]

Has GB opened most places internationally already? Those International #'s are hideous so far

China has banned it from being shown their, so there goes a very large chunk of revenue for WW sales.

 

[Bluth54]

Has GB opened most places internationally already? Those International #'s are hideous so far

Comedy films don't usually do very well overseas but I'm not sure if it's opened in all overseas territories yet.

 

[BassForever]

The budget of the sequel will be lower by default without them needing to slash anything, rumor has it that the budget for Answer the Call was so high because it also included all the work and failed concepts that went into Ghostbusters 3 and Ghostbusters: Hellbent. So the next movie made wouldn't have 25 years of preproduction to account for.

Where did you hear this?

 

[kswiston]

Weekend actuals are starting to come in.

Star Trek dropped to $59.35M.

Ice Age, Secret Life of Pets, and Lights Out went up a bit. We are still wating on Ghostbusters, but as I said yesterday, I exepct it to drop to fourth place in the actuals. Especially with Lights out increasing 88k.


I didnt really notice yesterday , but ID4R, The Shallows, and The BFG all took a major beating this weekend, dropping more than 70%. That effectively ends all of their runs.

ID4R finishes in the expected $100-105M range. Almost $50M less than what Jurassic World did in its first 2 days and $15M less than TFA's opening day. All nostalgia is not created equally.

 

[kswiston]

Ghostbusters was indeed overestimated (by about $500k), and dropped from #3 to #5 in the actuals.

 

[aBarreras]

Comedy films don't usually do very well overseas but I'm not sure if it's opened in all overseas territories yet.

it gets on august 12 here on Mexico, so im pretty sure it hasnt premiered on all overseas territories

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

My mother had to request assistance from a fellow moviegoer when she was trying to get her Hillary tickets to print from the kiosk last Friday. The fellow moviegoer commented that she wish they had thought ahead to buy tickets as the "Pets" showing they were trying to see with their daughter was sold out. Pretty bonkers that a movie that has been out for three weeks is selling out midday on a Friday.

 

[aBarreras]

also, i dont know if thi has been talked, or if ti should be talked,

star trek 3 beyond debuts 10millions higher than Ghostbusters and with a budget 40 millions higher than GB, and yet people arent calling it a flop like they did with GB, why?


cant wait to see both movies tho,

 

[Schlorgan]

ID4R finishes in the expected $100-105M range. Almost $50M less than what Jurassic World did in its first 2 days and $15M less than TFA's opening day. All nostalgia is not created equally.

It helps that Jurassic World and TFA were way better. I love Independence Day but Resurgence was terrible.

star trek 3 beyond debuts 10millions higher than Ghostbusters and with a budget 40 millions higher than GB, and yet people arent calling it a flop like they did with GB, why?

Paramount had more realistic expectations, but also it's more or less in line with the previous movies.

 

[BronsonLee]

also, i dont know if thi has been talked, or if ti should be talked,

star trek 3 beyond debuts 10millions higher than Ghostbusters and with a budget 40 millions higher than GB, and yet people arent calling it a flop like they did with GB, why?


cant wait to see both movies tho,

China

 

[Plasticine]

also, i dont know if thi has been talked, or if ti should be talked,

star trek 3 beyond debuts 10millions higher than Ghostbusters and with a budget 40 millions higher than GB, and yet people arent calling it a flop like they did with GB, why?


cant wait to see both movies tho,

Star Trek isn't a comedy. It's a science fiction action movie which plays better internationally than a comedy. Comedies don't tend to translate well overseas. Plus, Ghostbusters has been banned from China. Star Trek has a ton of money left to make. Ghostbusters is pretty much busted.

 

[aBarreras]

Paramount had more realistic expectations, but also it's more or less in line with the previous movies.

China

Star Trek isn't a comedy. It's a science fiction action movie which plays better internationally than a comedy. Comedies don't tend to translate well overseas. Plus, Ghostbusters has been banned from China. Star Trek has a ton of money left to make. Ghostbusters is pretty much busted.

so Beyond has more potential to win more money, but it is just that "potential" it doesnt indicate that it will ear more money, but we'll see

 

[kmfdmpig]

so Beyond has more potential to win more money, but it is just that "potential" it doesnt indicate that it will ear more money, but we'll see

There are always surprises, but once something is out for a bit it's possible to predict a general estimate of its end result. Many of the posters in this thread regularly do that with surprising accuracy, for example.

 

[kswiston]

so Beyond has more potential to win more money, but it is just that "potential" it doesnt indicate that it will ear more money, but we'll see

Into Darkness made close to $60M in China. Most people think that Beyond will be closer to or over $100M there. Ghostbusters will make $0 in China.

Also, that $13M more for Beyond opening weekend will likely translate to $40M or so more domestic.

I dont think there is any doubt that Star trek will outgross Ghostbusters. Likely by over $100M.

 

[WordAssassin]

Where did you hear this?

I read it here in one of the many GB threads over the past few weeks, someone else reported it as a rumor or they knew someone that worked on it or something. It's not unheard of, Disney did it with Tangled and Frozen, but it's still a rumor so I labeled it as such 'cause I can't find anything on Google (don't really know how to word the search though).

Just something to consider when looking at the budget VS how much it's making VS how much a sequel would cost. I'm sure Sony hoped they could recoup the cost of the dozens of unused scripts they had Aykroyd and others write, as well as whatever concept art (like the Meat Golem) that was done for GB3/Hellbent so I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear the rumor is true.

 

[kswiston]

Johnny Knoxville scored the biggest opening of his career last weekend at $64M over 3 days. It just happened to be in China

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Johnny Knoxville scored the biggest opening of his career last weekend at $64M over 3 days. It just happened to be in China

And on the back of Jackie Chan.
And that finally topped his previous high from MiB 2.

 

[forgeforsaken]

The actuals are out and the GB Sunday estimates were a bit over enthusiastic and it dropped to 5th place.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

I read it here in one of the many GB threads over the past few weeks, someone else reported it as a rumor or they knew someone that worked on it or something. It's not unheard of, Disney did it with Tangled and Frozen, but it's still a rumor so I labeled it as such 'cause I can't find anything on Google (don't really know how to word the search though).

Just something to consider when looking at the budget VS how much it's making VS how much a sequel would cost. I'm sure Sony hoped they could recoup the cost of the dozens of unused scripts they had Aykroyd and others write, as well as whatever concept art (like the Meat Golem) that was done for GB3/Hellbent so I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear the rumor is true.

It would make sense for the accountants to try write off all the previous stuff on the movie, since that way you don't have to pay out as much. Contract voids, all that.

 

[KalBalboa]

The actuals are out and the GB Sunday estimates were a bit over enthusiastic and it dropped to 5th place.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

$122 million world wide so far.

$144 million production budget.
No idea what advertising cost them.

 

[wesleyshark]

The actuals are out and the GB Sunday estimates were a bit over enthusiastic and it dropped to 5th place.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

Yikes.... And Bourne and Suicide Squad are just around the corner

 

[Mr. Pointy]

$122 million world wide so far.

$144 million production budget.
No idea what advertising cost them.

Is this going to track under Pixels? That was the lowest I was expecting GB to go.

 

[kswiston]

Is this going to track under Pixels? That was the lowest I was expecting GB to go.

It still has most of Europe to open in (plus Japan, Mexico and a few others), but things don't look good overseas. Pixels will probably end up with the higher overseas gross. However, Ghostbusters is going to end up about $50M ahead domestically, so it might still be ahead worldwide.

 

[Bluth54]

$122 million world wide so far.

$144 million production budget.
No idea what advertising cost them.

Paul Feig said that Ghostbusters has to make $500 million world wide on the low end to break even, so Sony probably spend a decent amount on ads. It's not going to come close to breaking even on it's theatrical run.

 

[Obliterator]

So GB is going to do less than $300 million global? I had no interest in it but this is doing worse than I imagined.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Can't wait for Pixels 2!

 

[Edwins]

Paul Feig said that Ghostbusters has to make $500 million world wide on the low end to break even, so Sony probably spend a decent amount on ads. It's not going to come close to breaking even on it's theatrical run.

Paul Feig makes a bit of an ass of himself in that interview. It was a tremendous mistake saying the movie needed to hit half a billion dollars (which he implied may actually be a little low). Now it doesn't matter what accounting shenanigans and PR Sony pulls off, the conversation is going to be that Ghostbusters is a flop. Everyone that needs to back up that claim has it right from the horse's mouth. The article also brings up the Sony hack, which included an e-mail from Feig referring to his Ghostbusters as a billion dollar idea. Let's ignore discussions of quality for a moment (I haven't seen it yet, it's already saved in my Netflix bluray queue). Let's just focus on all this evidence that points to Feig being a little bit out of touch. He didn't seem to know what his movie realistically was, and he sucks at selling a film (his trailers are notoriously bad even when his films are very good). Even if Sony wants to continue they should probably look for a new director.

 

[Savitar]

Can't wait for Pixels 2!

Ghostbusters was Pixels 2............in horribleness.

 

[WordAssassin]

It would make sense for the accountants to try write off all the previous stuff on the movie, since that way you don't have to pay out as much. Contract voids, all that.

Yep. I also wouldn't be surprised if the cost of buying the Ghostbusters rights was included but that could be a separate thing just as easily. I don't think we have any idea how much Sony paid for them, maybe they were rolled into the cost of creating Ghost Corps?

 

[Timu]

So GB is going to do less than $300 million global? I had no interest in it but this is doing worse than I imagined.

Probably.

 

[alfredofroylan]

Is this going to track under Pixels? That was the lowest I was expecting GB to go.

Domestic? No, in fact GB has made more than Pixels lifetime domestic gross, worldwide is another story.

 

[Edwins]

Domestic? No, in fact GB has made more than Pixels lifetime domestic gross, worldwide is another story.

The most damning thing in this link is that Pixels cost tens of millions of dollars less to make than the new Ghostbusters.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

So if there's one lesson Sony could learn from the Ghostbusters experience, it's that Happy Madison should have produced it. At least it would have cost less than $90 million.

 

[Xiaoki]

The most damning thing in this link is that Pixels cost tens of millions of dollars less to make than the new Ghostbusters.

The production budget, advertising, and prints for Pixels is the same as Ghostbusters production budget.

 

[Edwins]

The production budget, advertising, and prints for Pixels is the same as Ghostbusters production budget.

According to Deadline (and this is what they're in the business of reporting) Sony spent about as much on marketing/distribution/etc. as they did on production for Ghostbusters.

Twice as much money spent on Ghostbusters than Pixels, and it won't make that much more. Sony done fucked up.

 

[WordAssassin]

The production budget, advertising, and prints for Pixels is the same as Ghostbusters production budget.

The most damning thing in this link is that Pixels cost tens of millions of dollars less to make than the new Ghostbusters.

Pixels also didn't [supposedly] have 25 years of unproduced scripts and concept work rolled into its budget, either.

I wonder what the actual budget of Ghostbusters is if those rumors have any merit.

So if there's one lesson Sony could learn from the Ghostbusters experience, it's that Happy Madison should have produced it. At least it would have cost less than $90 million.

Would a Ghostbusters team of Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, Kevin James, and David Spade been met with better or worse reception, do you think? I don't usually have a problem with Sandler flicks (some of them are guilty pleasures) and I actually really enjoyed Answer the Call but as much shit as it gets I think the script for a SandlerBusters would have been... truly horrible.

 

[Edwins]

Pixels also didn't [supposedly] have 25 years of unproduced scripts and concept work rolled into its budget, either.

I wonder what the actual budget of Ghostbusters is if those rumors have any merit.

When you have the director shooting his mouth off and saying the film needs half a billion dollars to make money it doesn't really matter what the real budget is. That dumb slipup is going to convince every Ghost Bro that he "won", and it will sway the narrative.

Honestly, though, I have a hard time seeing how they could claim twenty five years worth of scripts when not all of those scripts were likely to have been paid for by the current rights holders. Sony only fairly recently bought out the rights. If anything they may have folded in some of the cost of buying the brand, but trying to fold in the full price would be screwy. It's not like Disney added four billion dollars to the budget for The Avengers.

 

[alfredofroylan]

So if there's one lesson Sony could learn from the Ghostbusters experience, it's that Happy Madison should have produced it. At least it would have cost less than $90 million.

That or fire some people from the marketing department.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Would a Ghostbusters team of Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, Kevin James, and David Spade been met with better or worse reception, do you think? I don't usually have a problem with Sandler flicks (some of them are guilty pleasures) and I actually really enjoyed Answer the Call but as much shit as it gets I think the script for a SandlerBusters would have been... truly horrible.

Replace David Spade with Salma Hayek or Terry Crews.

 

[Edwins]

That or fire some people from the marketing department.

This one. These bozos wasted an ungodly amount of money slapping Spider-Man on all of those flat rate boxes the USPS was sending out during the promotional window for The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Throwing a picture of Spider-Man on every box full of scratched DVDs, vintage TMNT toys, and hentai pillowcases being sold by random eBay sellers was not going to make more people see the movie. They're marketing department has sucked for some time now (though they haven't been given the best films to sell).

 

[Averon]

Paul Feig makes a bit of an ass of himself in that interview. It was a tremendous mistake saying the movie needed to hit half a billion dollars (which he implied may actually be a little low). Now it doesn't matter what accounting shenanigans and PR Sony pulls off, the conversation is going to be that Ghostbusters is a flop. Everyone that needs to back up that claim has it right from the horse's mouth. The article also brings up the Sony hack, which included an e-mail from Feig referring to his Ghostbusters as a billion dollar idea. Let's ignore discussions of quality for a moment (I haven't seen it yet, it's already saved in my Netflix bluray queue). Let's just focus on all this evidence that points to Feig being a little bit out of touch. He didn't seem to know what his movie realistically was, and he sucks at selling a film (his trailers are notoriously bad even when his films are very good). Even if Sony wants to continue they should probably look for a new director.

Didn't really think about that. Sony must be pissed at Feig for throwing that $500 million number out there. It is another piece of ammo they can use to justify dumping him if they go ahead on this GB cinematic universe.

 

[WordAssassin]

When you have the director shooting his mouth off and saying the film needs half a billion dollars to make money it doesn't really matter what the real budget is. That dumb slipup is going to convince every Ghost Bro that he "won", and it will sway the narrative.

Honestly, though, I have a hard time seeing how they could claim twenty five years worth of scripts when not all of those scripts were likely to have been paid for by the current rights holders. Sony only fairly recently bought out the rights. If anything they may have folded in some of the cost of buying the brand, but trying to fold in the full price would be screwy. It's not like Disney added four billion dollars to the budget for The Avengers.

That's a very good point. I'd love for some clarification on the rumor, I wonder if there is anyone that could be asked, or if they'd even be allowed to say anything if they were? If they did only add in the cost of the handful of scripts from after they bought the rights and set up Ghost Corps I wonder, then could the buying of the rights have been rolled into the budget?

I don't think I've ever wanted a "tell all" behind the scenes for a movie more than this. Even though I love it the production was obviously a complete shit show.

Replace David Spade with Salma Hayek or Terry Crews.

Honestly I was going to say Salma Hayek but I thought having a female Ghostbuster might be too progressive for Happy Madison. Maybe she'd be Janine and she'd lay on the accent really thick and the gag would be they had a receptionist that they couldn't understand.

I also considered Rob Schneider but he and Sandler's relationship is still a little weird I think so he'd likely just cameo as a cab driver or something like in Zohan.

 

[Takao]

I read it here in one of the many GB threads over the past few weeks, someone else reported it as a rumor or they knew someone that worked on it or something. It's not unheard of, Disney did it with Tangled and Frozen, but it's still a rumor so I labeled it as such 'cause I can't find anything on Google (don't really know how to word the search though).

Just something to consider when looking at the budget VS how much it's making VS how much a sequel would cost. I'm sure Sony hoped they could recoup the cost of the dozens of unused scripts they had Aykroyd and others write, as well as whatever concept art (like the Meat Golem) that was done for GB3/Hellbent so I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear the rumor is true.

I doubt that's true. Pre-production for animation isn't the same as pre-production for live action, and as stated by Edwins, Sony didn't fully own the rights to the property until recently. The Hollywood Reporter ran a story right before shooting began about Rothman slashing its budget by $15 million:

On the financial front, Rothman already has managed to tighten the budget on Paul Feig's all-female Ghostbusters, planned for July 2016, without any apparent bloodshed (despite earlier friction with Feig when the director made The Heat at Fox). The Ghostbusters price tag when greenlit by Pascal was a hefty $169 million, with rich deals for talent, including $14 million for Melissa McCarthy and north of $10 million for Feig. Rothman couldn't do anything about those fees, but sources say Feig made tweaks to the script to reduce the cost to $154 million — just a few million above Rothman's target of $150 million.

There is no mention of it being burdened with decades of work on unproduced material. The way that's written makes it sound very clear that Feig's movie had a production budget of $154 million (the $144 million thrown everywhere is after tax credits/rebates).

lol at Pascal greenlighting it for $170 million.

 

[milanbaros]

The biggest problem with GB was the budget.The budget needed to be 30% lower, and then maybe you would have a successful franchise reboot.

 

[WordAssassin]

I doubt that's true. Pre-production for animation isn't the same as pre-production for live action, and as stated by Edwins, Sony didn't fully own the rights to the property until recently. The Hollywood Reporter ran a story right before shooting began about Rothman slashing its budget by $15 million:



There is no mention of it being burdened with decades of work on unproduced material. The way that's written makes it sound very clear that Feig's movie had a production budget of $154 million (the $144 million thrown everywhere is after tax credits/rebates).

lol at Pascal greenlighting it for $170 million.

Holy fuck that's insane. $170 million was the original budget!?! Jesus! Well I guess that explains that then, thank you for sharing.

Wow. And McCarthy got $4 million more than Fieg did? I honestly don't know how this works, is it normal for actors to be paid more than directors?

Good lord $170 Million.

 

[BassForever]

The biggest problem with GB was the budget.The budget needed to be 30% lower, and then maybe you would have a successful franchise reboot.

Or budgeting and just trying to make a successful solo gb film that maybe you make a sequel to if t does really well. Planning to make GB a cinematic universe was a mistake from the beginning and I love GB.

Holy fuck that's insane. $170 million was the original budget!?! Jesus! Well I guess that explains that then, thank you for sharing.

Wow. And McCarthy got $4 million more than Fieg did? I honestly don't know how this works, is it normal for actors to be paid more than directors?

Good lord $170 Million.

Depends upon the project, the director, and the actor/tress

 

[Takao]

McCarthy's face probably sells more tickets than Feig's name, even if Feig is the only reason people recognize McCarthy's face (unless you're a Mike & Molly fan).

 

[shintoki]

I doubt that's true. Pre-production for animation isn't the same as pre-production for live action, and as stated by Edwins, Sony didn't fully own the rights to the property until recently. The Hollywood Reporter ran a story right before shooting began about Rothman slashing its budget by $15 million:

It's very clear why they brought him in now and why Sony needs him.