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Wkd Box Office 11•06-08•15 - Bond shaken not stirred by deez peanuts, phresh top 5

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Bronx-Man

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The feel when a movie with Rob Van Dam does better than yours

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RVD's always been a draw. He's called the Whole F'N Show for a reason.
 
Yeah it's pretty amazing. This has to be close to the lowest grossing wide release in history. I mean the last movie on that list didn't even make $600, one person on the planet probably saw Jem this weekend and it's only it's third week of wide release.

Pretty damn close. Delgo made almost $700,000 during its run. I believe that the movie theater that I work at only had it for a week. Oogieloves even made less than that at less than $450,000.
 
Pretty damn close. Delgo made almost $700,000 during its run. I believe that the movie theater that I work at only had it for a week. Oogieloves even made less than that at less than $450,000.

Yeah, just looked it up, I doubt we'll get bombs that huge for awhile. That was an insane bomb.
 

AHA-Lambda

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Kinda surprising how Crimson Peak and Steve Jobs totally tanked even with super low budgets. What happened there? Lack of marketing?

I think CP was poorly marketed and only drew in Del Toro fans, and even then there was mixed word of mouth too.
 

Eidan

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Steve Jobs had tons of marketing, but at the wrong time. They blew they nut when it was only limited release. By the time it was in wide release no one gave a shit
The timing of the Steve Jobs marketing was a real head scratcher. I have no clue what they were thinking.
 
I think CP was poorly marketed and only drew in Del Toro fans, and even then there was mixed word of mouth too.

Del Toro fans seemed more concerned with fighting over whether or not it was Horror or "Gothic Romance"

I'm not entirely sure all of them even went to go see the movie.

Basically: a lot of 'em went Gaming Side on the film - argue about the mechanics without actually playing the motherfucker.
 
Del Toro fans seemed more concerned with fighting over whether or not it was Horror or "Gothic Romance"

I'm not entirely sure all of them even went to go see the movie.

Basically: a lot of 'em went Gaming Side on the film - argue about the mechanics without actually playing the motherfucker.

I'm already hearing fans of the movie blame the media and critics for it bombing.

Or in other words "They just didn't get it."
 

Ridley327

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Del Toro fans seemed more concerned with fighting over whether or not it was Horror or "Gothic Romance"

I'm not entirely sure all of them even went to go see the movie.

Basically: a lot of 'em went Gaming Side on the film - argue about the mechanics without actually playing the motherfucker.

That's a surprisingly good comparison.

That being said, it was definitely a film more for his pre-English film fans, since it has a lot of visual callouts to both Cronos and The Devil's Backbone. That's pretty hard to get people excited for when they're more familiar with the likes of Hellboy and Blade 2.
 

kswiston

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Theatres dropped Steve Jobs like hot garbage. 18th biggest theatre drop of all time. About on par with Punisher Warzone.

I can't see it missing 200m domestic.

It's possible it'll struggle to hit 250, though.

Quantum of Solace Legs put Spectre at $182M, and that was also a November release. Missing $200M domestic could happen. At this point, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see The Martian over Spectre domestically.
 
Quantum of Solace Legs put Spectre at $182M, and that was also a November release. Missing $200M domestic could happen.

It could, yeah, but I don't see Spectre having Quantum legs. It's not as good as Skyfall, and the word of mouth is reflecting that it seems, but it's also doesn't seem to be the shrug that Quantum was.
 

kswiston

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It could, yeah, but I don't see Spectre having Quantum legs. It's not as good as Skyfall, and the word of mouth is reflecting that it seems, but it's also doesn't seem to be the shrug that Quantum was.

Even if legs are better, it won't pass $200M by much. $250M is dead. It would just barely clear that mark with Skyfall legs.

Also, looking at Friday and Saturday's number, I think that they are already over-predicting Sunday by a bit. I think we will see $71-72M with tomorrow's actuals.
 

kswiston

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Worldwide Updates:

Bridge of Spies - $72M
The Martian - $459M (now Ridley Scott's biggest film Worldwide).
The Maze Runner: Scorch Trials - $298M (decent start in China this weekend)
Paranormal Activity: The Ghost Dimension - $67M
Inside Out - $850M
Ant-Man - $517M
Pan - $114M
The Intern - $180M
Crimson Peak - $70M
Everest - $191M
 

AHA-Lambda

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I fins the Spectre comparisons to Skyfall personally fascinating, just cos, while not great, I at least enjoyed Spectre but I really didn't like Skyfall.

Del Toro fans seemed more concerned with fighting over whether or not it was Horror or "Gothic Romance"

I'm not entirely sure all of them even went to go see the movie.

Basically: a lot of 'em went Gaming Side on the film - argue about the mechanics without actually playing the motherfucker.

Can only speak personally, but I thought the trailers for it were trash, and I only seen it as a Del Toro fan, but my expectations were pretty muted. I still really didn't like it.
 

kswiston

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I don't think it was in those cases. When you are getting about 50% of the domestic boxoffice and ~35% of the international box office, it takes a lot of money to put a $200-250M film (with another $150M in advertising) into the black.

Sony's cut of Amazing Spider-man 2 would have been around $300M. Its reported budget was $255M. Even if product placement wiped out most of the marketing expenses, that is not a ton of profit out of $700M of box office.
 
Hoping for a dip in box office receipts for Spectre compared to Skyfall. It's the only way we'll get change. Quantum of Solace was pretty flat (maybe even a slight regression, I can't recall) from Casino Royale, and EON shook it up. Hopefully the same will be true here.

It's definitely not going to match Skyfall, which set the B.O. bar impossibly high.

The question is by how much will it come up short of Skyfall.
 

ryseing

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The timing of the Steve Jobs marketing was a real head scratcher. I have no clue what they were thinking.

Yeah I was really excited when the movie was still in limited release, but by the time it went wide I couldn't give less of a shit.

Baffling decision really.
 
I just feel like with the critical and fan reaction being very divisive, unlike Skyfall, repeat viewings arent going to be there and thus the legs arent going to be there.

Spectre was a hell of a lot better than Skyfall, even with its faults.
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
decent performance by Spectre, WW should easily take it close to 1b. Bring in the next one, I already can't wait
 

Slayven

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Interesting how you compare Goosebumps with Jem. Both nostalgia draws, but the one that is treated with a tiny bit of respect is actually making money.
 

duckroll

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Interesting how you compare Goosebumps with Jem. Both nostalgia draws, but the one that is treated with a tiny bit of respect is actually making money.

I don't think that's really a fair way to look at it though. Jem is practically an indie project distributed by Universal. It has a 5 million dollar budget and features a bunch of unknowns, and it is based on an old cartoon with a much more narrow audience demographic. Goosebumps is a 58 million dollar studio project starring Jack Black based on a long running series of popular children's horror books.

Regardless of how more "respect" there is for the original franchises, Jem probably never stood a chance in this comparison. :p
 
I fins the Spectre comparisons to Skyfall personally fascinating, just cos, while not great, I at least enjoyed Spectre but I really didn't like Skyfall.

Haven't seen Spectre yet, but this gives me a tiny bit of hope. I thought Skyfall sucked. Don't get what people saw it in at all.
 
Saw Peanuts today with my mom. Wasn't feeling the movie quite as much as her because it was extremely predictable. Still enjoyed it though. Thought there would be more people there but my theater had four 2D showings (can't remember if there were any 3D showings) of it in the afternoon alone.
 

Slayven

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I don't think that's really a fair way to look at it though. Jem is practically an indie project distributed by Universal. It has a 5 million dollar budget and features a bunch of unknowns, and it is based on an old cartoon with a much more narrow audience demographic. Goosebumps is a 58 million dollar studio project starring Jack Black based on a long running series of popular children's horror books.

Regardless of how more "respect" there is for the original franchises, Jem probably never stood a chance in this comparison. :p

But Duckroll, the director had not one but 2 Justin Biber documentaries under his belt.
 

Busty

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MGM is doing good.

Fixed. Sony takes a reduced fee for distributing Spectre worldwide and is a minority financier with just a 25% investment in the film IIRC.

The Intern made 3 times more money than Witch Hunter. Maybe Vin Diesel should stop making non-FF movies.

The Intern has quietly become something of a hit for Warners. In a lean year like the one WB are having they need all the wins they can get.

Word of mouth really affected SPECTRE. It was expected to do close to $90m before reviews hit the fan.

I seriously doubt that Spectre will get anywhere near Skyfall's numbers and could even miss the billion dollar mark worldwide.

Bond tends to bring in older audiences and they usually go and see a film over a longer period that the younger audiences who tend to be front loaded.
 
I don't think that's really a fair way to look at it though. Jem is practically an indie project distributed by Universal. It has a 5 million dollar budget and features a bunch of unknowns, and it is based on an old cartoon with a much more narrow audience demographic. Goosebumps is a 58 million dollar studio project starring Jack Black based on a long running series of popular children's horror books.

Regardless of how more "respect" there is for the original franchises, Jem probably never stood a chance in this comparison. :p

Even then Jem is doing poorly for a no name indie movie.
 

Htown

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But if they show that the studio didn't make enough money, then they don't have to pay as much in taxes. There are many reasons creative accounting is used.

You would think the IRS would have been all over these studios for this kind of nonsense, but I guess not
 

numble

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But if they show that the studio didn't make enough money, then they don't have to pay as much in taxes. There are many reasons creative accounting is used.

You would think the IRS would have been all over these studios for this kind of nonsense, but I guess not
Hollywood accounting takes into account various fees that the studios and their affiliates earn (like a set overhead cost of 30% that is paid to the studio, even though overhead should be a fixed cost based on the film's budget--it doesn't make sense that the studio has overhead costs of $300 million on a $1 billion film that had a budget of $100 million). Look into the things that people usually are complaining about when it comes to Hollywood accounting. It is not about reducing profit to the studio. The studios are all part of public companies that need to report revenue and profit to shareholders anyway, so it is a disincentive to underreport profits.

From the Wikipedia link:
Production overhead: Studios, on average, calculate production overhead by using a figure around 15% of total production costs.
Distribution overhead: Film distributors typically keep 30% of what they receive from movie theaters ("gross rentals").
Marketing overhead: To determine this number, studios usually choose about 10% of all advertising costs.

All those "costs" are money that go to the studio (increasing the studio's profits), but reduce the "profit" on the project that actors/writers can get from royalties. 45% of the revenue goes directly to the studio as "overhead" and isn't counted for calculating whether actors can earn royalties.
 

Busty

Banned
Universal rose to the heavens, WB sunk to the depths. The universe balanced itself out.

Universal can now look forward of a string of several years that will no doubt all be disappointing compared to 2015.

From next spring onwards expect a lot of articles to have headlines like "Even a stopped clock keeps the right time twice a day".
 
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