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Wkd Box Office 12•18-20•15 - Force Awakens does good... gOOOood, opens w/ $248m

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Kadin

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How much do you think it plays a part that Star Wars is the ONLY film showing in IMAX for what, 30 days at a minimum? Clearly the movie is a box office monster but I just wonder how stuff like this gives it even more of an edge with the totals.
 

Abounder

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Lion King will definitely return in some way after making $94million in the 3D re-release, which was almost more than Titanic and Phantom Menace 3D combined. Hakuna matata
 
The next Batman movie looks horrible. If that underperforms it will because it was a turd.

The Avengers and most of the Marvel movies cast such a wide net that they will continue to do find as long as the movies remains decent to good. At least until the kids latch onto something else to replace them. I think they have a ways to go before they run out of stories.

Do you time travel? If you are talking about BvS it´s a Superman movie not a Batman one. Second of all the movie looks amazing.
 

rjinaz

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My parents just got back from the theater. Tried to catch the 10 am movie. Showed up at 9 am. Was told only front row available. Asked for the next show, same thing. They tried to watch the movie from the front row but they couldn't enjoy it from there. Got a refund.

Got a feeling the movie is going to do ok today.
 

Cheebo

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Do you time travel? If you are talking about BvS it´s a Superman movie not a Batman one. Second of all the movie looks amazing.
It's a Batman movie slightly more so than Superman per Synder, I believe said due to needing to set Batman up more.

And it is very fair to say the reception to the latest trailer online was more negative than positive unlike the initial teaser. Not that the final product could end up really solid, but that second trailer did not do the film any good hype wise when it comes to the Internet-types.
 
I've singled Ford out as an exception, not really a comparison. Drew Barrymore was only a child in what was at the time the second highest grossing film of all time, and even her career trajectory ended up better than Hamill, Christensen, and others who were in a better position to strike while the iron was hot.

This is almost a worse comparison. Drew Barrymore had a better career trajectory because she became tabloid fodder as part of a Hollywood Family Dynasty. Had nothing to do with her acting until later.

That she leveraged the attention into something really special (america's rom/com sweetheart, successful producer) makes for a great story, but it's unique in a way even Harrison Ford's story isn't. You grabbed another comparison that's even more exceptional than the one you were working with.

It's just kind of an exclusionary, pessimistic argument to put forth, period. It hinges on the idea that to "strike while the iron is hot" is to follow a specific track that doesn't necessarily fit every actor who gets into the business.

So far as McGregor is concerned, "Striking While the Iron is Hot" includes getting two long-form motorcycle documentaries made and doing weird, off-beat films that interest him as an actor. You're summing that up as some sort of misstep or fuckup that they were resigned to because Hollywood had rejected them somehow.
 

harSon

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Boyega's on some mid-90s Will Smith shit right now. Finn is very reminiscent of Mike Lowry/Capt. Hiller/J type shit.

But you've been pretty consistent on maintaining a "sky is falling" tone regarding Boyega & Finn for like the past 8 months now. Not saying there isn't any reason for it, of course there is (anyone paying attention to Hollywood history knows that) but the idea that Boyega isn't basically winning pretty much everyone over right about now, both with his performance in the film AND on the press tour, seems to be a very small one.

People were hyping Boyega after Attack the Block, and his career kind of just wandered aimlessly for a while. Star Wars will undoubtedly have a positive impact on his career, but I'm not confident that Hollywood will go out of its way to ram him down our throats and force him into stardom like they do other actors/actresses (who all have something in common). I think they'll do that with Ridley though.

Some of his contemporaries, like Chiwetel Ejiofor and Idris Elba, have been putting in work for years now - and they're still not quite getting their due as far as roles are concerned. I think he'll have a similar career trajectory as them, is certainly nothing to sneeze at.
 
People were hyping Boyega after Attack the Block, and his career kind of just wandered aimlessly for a while.

Nobody really saw that shit. He still worked, and did good work in the meantime.

The goodwill he's getting as Finn is even higher after Star Wars than it was after Attack the Block, and roughly 7000x people have seen him in Star Wars.
 

Cranster

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Hamill's on-screen career might have been quite different if he didn't mess up his face.
That really had nothing to do with it though. After RoTJ he willingly bowed out of film making for a while and pursued a career on Broadway. I would argue that is what hurt his on-screen career.
 

Anth0ny

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My parents just got back from the theater. Tried to catch the 10 am movie. Showed up at 9 am. Was told only front row available. Asked for the next show, same thing. They tried to watch the movie from the front row but they couldn't enjoy it from there. Got a refund.

Got a feeling the movie is going to do ok today.

Today we will find out if all that talk last week of "There's no way I'll get tickets for Star Wars opening weekend, I'll just wait and go next week" was actually a mass sentiment. I know I heard it from a ton of family and friends I've spoken with over the last week.
 

Branduil

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I've singled Ford out as an exception, not really a comparison. Drew Barrymore was only a child in what was at the time the second highest grossing film of all time, and even her career trajectory ended up better than Hamill, Christensen, and others who were in a better position to strike while the iron was hot.

If Boyega and Ridley wanna be Kate Winslet they can probably be Kate Winslet. But not Leonardo DiCaprio.....that's really all I'm saying.

You're saying they might actually win an Oscar?
 

fernoca

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Not only is trying to compare every Star Wars actor's success to Harrison Ford's sorta unfair in terms of Star Wars, but in terms of acting in general. Dude was pretty much the single biggest movie star in Hollywood - TWICE.



Two of them did, and those two didn't seem to be exclusively pursuing that as their primary career path anyway.

Boyega and Ridley are likely going to get to do whatever the fuck they want for awhile, like McGregor did. He didn't "fail" at scoring whatever picture he wanted (and doing well in those pictures) he basically took the financial security as an opportunity to actually pursue all the shit he wanted to do. So did Fisher, really.



I said "pretty nicely," though, not "great," so like...

Basically, your whole point is pretty silly. Like there's only one possible career path out of Star Wars and if you don't track with it, you somehow fucked it up. Especially when the career path you're using as a measuring stick is a career path 99.95% of actors, PERIOD, have never even closely approximated.
Yep.
Carrie Fisher never liked acting, she preferred and is a well known "script surgeon" (forgot the actual term), which their job is to fix problematic scripts.

In the end, most ended doing what they wanted to do. People assume that because actors are in huge roles and box office success stories, that they will continue on similar projects. Some might try, but most just continue doing whatever they want.
 

harSon

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Nobody really saw that shit. He still worked, and did good work in the meantime.

The goodwill he's getting as Finn is even higher after Star Wars than it was after Attack the Block, and roughly 7000x people have seen him in Star Wars.

We'll certainly see, but the potential of a black actor/actresses' career trajectory with respect to their white counterparts is historically an unkind one. I hope I'm wrong.
 

Anth0ny

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The next Batman movie looks horrible. If that underperforms it will because it was a turd.

The Avengers and most of the Marvel movies cast such a wide net that they will continue to do find as long as the movies remains decent to good. At least until the kids latch onto something else to replace them. I think they have a ways to go before they run out of stories.

My prediction for Civil War and BvS is identical.

$1 billion is guaranteed for both films. Whether they go much higher will depend on critical reception. In other words, if word of mouth (both critical and by viewers) is positive for either film, I can see them going as high as $1.5 billion.

Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in the same movie. Captain America, Iron Man and Spider-Man in the same movie. These aren't your every day comic book movies. These are some HUGE fucking films.
 

kswiston

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My original X-Mas day prediction after we got the early Tuesday number was $48M. I guess I was closer than Deadline.

It's easy to see how the expectations crept up though. Both Wednesday and Thursday were stronger than expected. I think the IMAX and large format screens playing at near sellouts all week have skewed the weekday numbers a little higher than expected though.

It will be at 1.3 billion WW by Monday

It won't be nearly that high. The $890M includes Friday. The film will squeak by $1B today, and will be sitting at around $1.1B by the end of Sunday. Add another $50-60M for Monday if you are including that, but $1.3B won't happen until the beginning of next weekend.

Star Wars beats the record to $1B by 2 days provided today is big enough to hit $110M WW.
 

rjinaz

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I will remember you..

thank you for the memories.

Today we will find out if all that talk last week of "There's no way I'll get tickets for Star Wars opening weekend, I'll just wait and go next week" was actually a mass sentiment. I know I heard it from a ton of family and friends I've spoken with over the last week.

I heard the same. A lot. Pretty much everybody that wanted to see it planned to this weekend.
 
It's a Batman movie slightly more so than Superman per Synder, I believe said due to needing to set Batman up more.

And it is very fair to say the reception to the latest trailer online was more negative than positive unlike the initial teaser. Not that the final product could end up really solid, but that second trailer did not do the film any good hype wise when it comes to the Internet-types.

149662 like vs. 12531 dislike.. Saying it was received negatively online, while focusing a few forums does not mean that the movie was actually received positively by the general public.
 

Abounder

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How much do you think it plays a part that Star Wars is the ONLY film showing in IMAX for what, 30 days at a minimum? Clearly the movie is a box office monster but I just wonder how stuff like this gives it even more of an edge with the totals.

One-quarter portion. Worldwide IMAX represented around $50m of the global opening weekend, so actually smaller than that. IMAX is huge though and helps start the franchise in China
 

Anth0ny

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I don't think BvS is guaranteed for 1 billion dollars ww at all.

Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises both hit a billion. Thanks to them the power of the Batman brand is at an all time high.

You take Batman, a billion dollar brand, and add Superman and Wonder Woman to the equation. This movie is going to be huge, and even if it's the drizzling shits, I still expect it to make a billion with ease, Transformers style :p

One-quarter portion. Worldwide IMAX represented around $50m of the global opening weekend, so actually smaller than that. IMAX is huge though and helps start the franchise in China

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border

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It's just kind of an exclusionary, pessimistic argument to put forth, period. It hinges on the idea that to "strike while the iron is hot" is to follow a specific track that doesn't necessarily fit every actor who gets into the business.

The only idea or argument I'm really working with is that starring in a record-shattering box office success does not necessarily translate to future stardom. If that's not what some of those stars wanted anyway, then all the better for them.



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harSon

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Yep.
Carrie Fisher never liked acting, she preferred and is a well known "script surgeon" (forgot the actual term), which their job is to fix problematic scripts.

In the end, most ended doing what they wanted to do. People assume that because actors are in huge roles and box office success stories, that they will continue on similar projects. Some might try, but most just continue doing whatever they want.

Yeah, she could have done whatever the hell she wanted being the daughter of Eddie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds, coming off of Star Wars.
 
People are going to that movie to see Batman, WW, and Superman all on the same screen together. I also think the movie comes out at a decent time.
The biggest issue I have with BvS is they're recasting both characters yet again. Now, if Bale was in it instead of that mouthbreather Afflek, I'd preorder tickets. Instead, it's a wait and see for me.
 

kswiston

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Joy had quite a good opening with $6.85m
That's a bigger first day than American Hustle had last year, although that had a week in limited release before it went wide

Jennifer Lawrence proving that shes one of the few actors out there that can open a movie on their name

American Hustle opened on the Friday before Xmas though. I wouldn't say that this is a stronger debut.
 

linsivvi

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The only idea or argument I'm really working with is that starring in a record-shattering box office success does not necessarily translate to future stardom. If that's not what some of those stars wanted anyway, then all the better for them.



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Then don't use McGregor as an example. That's completely senseless. He's been doing indie movies long before the prequels, and he's still doing them. Trainspotting 2 just got green lit too.

Your latest spin doesn't at all match up with your initial "Considering what happened to Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Hayden Christensen, and Ewan McGregor, I imagine they are keeping their expectations firmly in check."

Most actors would love to have a career that McGregor has. Star Wars actors or otherwise.
 
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