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[alexandros]

Star Wars is a beast.

It really, really is. I had no idea it would be that big, probably because I didn't watch the original movies as a kid. Come to think of it, I still haven't watched TESB and ROTJ. I've only seen the original ANH and the three prequels for some reason.

 

[Boke1879]

It really, really is. I had no idea it would be that big, probably because I didn't watch the original movies as a kid. Come to think of it, I still haven't watched TESB and ROTJ. I've only seen the original ANH and the three prequels for some reason.

Watch Empire NOW!

 

[Nibel]

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Good lord lmao

 

[Toa TAK]

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This is why I come to GAF.

 

[border]

Then don't use McGregor as an example. That's completely senseless. He's been doing indie movies long before the prequels, and he's still doing them. Trainspotting 2 just got green lit too.

Your latest spin doesn't at all match up with your initial "Considering what happened to Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Hayden Christensen, and Ewan McGregor, I imagine they are keeping their expectations firmly in check."

What happened to them was that they all slowly vanished into the ether either by choice or by necessity. None of them have starred in a film that made more than 100M since their last Star Wars film.

Certainly not a phenomenon exclusive to Star Wars anyhow -- what was the last Sam Worthington movie you saw?

 

[Aaron Strife]

Its always interesting seeing people perceive someone like Mark Hamill as a wash-up or failure simply because he didn't hit it as big as Harrison Ford did. Sure, but at the same time he gets steady work and probably gobs of money. Let me tell you as an aspiring performer I would kill for a career like Hamill's. And if you're only going to be known for three movies, I don't know if you could do much better than the Star Wars trilogy.

 

[G-Fex]

That pic is gold

 

[BumRush]

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This is amazing

 

[Anth0ny]

Its always interesting seeing people perceive someone like Mark Hamill as a wash-up or failure simply because he didn't hit it as big as Harrison Ford did. Sure, but at the same time he gets steady work and probably gobs of money. Let me tell you as an aspiring performer I would kill for a career like Hamill's. And if you're only going to be known for three movies, I don't know if you could do much better than the Star Wars trilogy.

He is Luke Skywalker and the greatest Joker.

I think that's pretty successful.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Holy shit!

 

[linsivvi]

What happened to them was that they all slowly vanished into the ether either by choice or by necessity. None of them have starred in a film that made more than 100M since their last Star Wars film.

Certainly not a phenomenon exclusive to Star Wars anyhow -- what was the last Sam Worthington movie you saw?

Keep moving the goalpost I see.

I never said anything about Sam Worthington. You never said anything about Sam Worthington before this post either. I was talking about McGregor and you used a terrible example.

Either defend your choice by saying how terrible a career McGregor has, or stop changing the argument.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Besides which, Hamill, Fisher, and McGregor didnt' "vanish into the ether" either.

 

[linsivvi]

As if only $100M movie count anyway.

Guess what? Plenty of successful actors have never been in $100M+ movies.

Unless he's talking about International, in that case McGregor has been in plenty since.

 

[BronsonLee]

Ewan McGregor is fat and the second best McGregor in entertainment

 

[Soapbox Killer]

So is it a for gone conclusion that this will beat Avatar in the US? WorldWide gonna be tough but this is gonna make 900 million dollars in the American theater isn't it?

 

[GhaleonEB]

What happened to them was that they all slowly vanished into the ether either by choice or by necessity. None of them have starred in a film that made more than 100M since their last Star Wars film.

Certainly not a phenomenon exclusive to Star Wars anyhow -- what was the last Sam Worthington movie you saw?

None of the people you originally listed tried to keep doing the same kind of movies or reach that kind of success as Star Wars saw. They all went off and did other things, either what they wanted to do to begin with (Fisher and writing) or what they were doing all along (McGregor and smaller films).

Worthington is the only one that actually tried to keep doing blockbusters and then diminished, but none of the original set that sparked this discussion really fits.

So is it a for gone conclusion that this will beat Avatar in the US? WorldWide gonna be tough but this is gonna make 900 million dollars in the American theater isn't it?

Yes, the US record is definitely toast at this point. International is more of a long shot - it would need to really blow out the record here and have an unexpectedly massive China showing, or longer legs than currently expected elsewhere. But it's too early to write it off entirely.

 

[border]

Keep moving the goalpost I see.

What was the original goalpost, in your estimation? All I said was "after what happened to......they are probably keeping their expectations in check" and the rest is your interpretation.

Either defend your choice by saying how terrible a career McGregor has, or stop changing the argument.

If I had said that McGregor has had a terrible career I might defend that statement. I can't defend the words you put into my mouth though.

McGregor hasn't been given a lot of big leading roles after 2005, but he has kept working with some commercial and some non-commercial projects. I never said he was eating garbage out of the gutter or anything. I will be happy to see Trainspo22ing.

 

[Future Foundation]

Holy shit!

This has been a really cool year for crazy Box Office watching - at least in these threads. American Sniper, Furious 7, JW, and TFA.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Going back to our earliest predictions for these films.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=882317

 

[GhaleonEB]

Going back to our earliest predictions for these films.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=882317

I put Avatar II over this. Mistakes were made.

At least I put Star Wars over Age of Ultron. That would have been embarrassing.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I put Avatar II over this. Mistakes were made.

At least I put Star Wars over Age of Ultron. That would have been embarrassing.

To be fair, the predictions were worldwide predictions and I wouldn't rule A2 out yet on that front.

The more likely mistake there is if it doesn't make 2017.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I put Avatar II over this. Mistakes were made.

At least I put Star Wars over Age of Ultron. That would have been embarrassing.

Oh shit. What the fuck kinda dumb trash fell out of my mouth on that one...

1) Star Wars VII
2) Avatar 2
3) Avengers 2
4) Batman v. Superman
5) Hunger Games: Mockingjay part 2

I mean, I'm basically kicking open the door to a darkened room and just unloading buckshot into it, and then waiting three years to find out if I hit something.

edit: aaaaaaaaalmost picked Bond for that fifth slot.

Either way I was going to horribly fuck up that 5th slot. Those rankings might actually shake out, though, in terms of worldwide box-office, I guess. Maybe. But the bolded still very much applies.

Here's another fun exchange from that thread:

You know what this picture says to me? 2 billion worldwide at the boxoffice:

No chance with the baggage of the prequels weighing it down.

Not just funny due to the Prequel-baggage expectation having no weight whatsoever, but because the picture Cheebs posted isn't even in the movie anymore.

 

[BronsonLee]

That isn't even a goddamn picture
GODDAMNIT CHEEBO

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

What I know is no one expected JW to be as big as it was.

 

[linsivvi]

What was the original goalpost, in your estimation? All I said was "after what happened to......they are probably keeping their expectations in check" and the rest is your interpretation.



If I had said that McGregor has had a terrible career I might defend that statement. I can't defend the words you put into my mouth though.

McGregor hasn't been given a lot of big leading roles after 2005, but he has kept working with some commercial and some non-commercial projects. I never said he was eating garbage out of the gutter or anything. I will be happy to see Trainspo22ing.

And the point is that if you tell any young actor that they would have a career like Ewan McGregor, most would be very happy and don't have to "keep their expectations in check", even if those young actors just played the lead in a Star Wars movie.

He has been in plenty of leading roles ever since and a few more are coming up. You just haven't been paying attention.

The very fact that you brought up McGregor is mind boggling. When people mention him, they usually associate him with one of these two things:
1) Trainspotting
2) He really, really likes to show his dick.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

People actually thought Avatar 2 was coming out this year?

 

[Hero]

Even lowballing BvS, it will still get over a billion.

I think it's being underestimated because of a vocal minority who disliked the latest trailer.

Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises both hit a billion. Thanks to them the power of the Batman brand is at an all time high.

You take Batman, a billion dollar brand, and add Superman and Wonder Woman to the equation. This movie is going to be huge, and even if it's the drizzling shits, I still expect it to make a billion with ease, Transformers style

People are going to that movie to see Batman, WW, and Superman all on the same screen together. I also think the movie comes out at a decent time.

It's not unlikely that it can hit a billion but I don't see it as a guarantee. Man of Steel was extremely polarizing at best. It also debuts at a bad time in the month of March.

 

[Future Foundation]

People actually thought Avatar 2 was coming out this year?

It's 2016/17, correct?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

People actually thought Avatar 2 was coming out this year?

No, that thread was a prediction thread for BO worldwide over the next three years.

Which is sorta like those gaming side threads where people are like "How many games are you gonna buy for the Nintendo NX" and nobody even knows what the console fuckin' is yet.

I mean, I still participated, so I can't talk that much shit.

 

[Matt_]

Going back to our earliest predictions for these films.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=882317

1. Avatar 2
2. Avengers 2
3. Star wars 7
4. Batman vs Superman
5. Finding Dory

The top 3 will all cross $1.5B but I really struggled to fill the last two
If another avatar, star wars or iron man comes out in this time they will surely make the list. As would another Ice age or transformers but I'm not sure on what the schedule

Avengers disappointing me in every respect
Not convinced about Avatar 2 being able to beat Star Wars anymore though

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I don't know what's worse: The people who put Avengers ahead of Star Wars, or the people who put BvS ANYWHERE on that list.

 

[Afro Samurai]

I still wonder how Avatar, which nobody has heard of before its release, made over $2 Billion? Did that many people watch it in IMAX 3D *Twas Amazing*.

 

[rjinaz]

I put Avatar II over this. Mistakes were made.

At least I put Star Wars over Age of Ultron. That would have been embarrassing.

GhaleonEB calling out StoOge!

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[BronsonLee]

I don't think I posted in that thread
Cool I'm safe, I'll never eat crow ever ever ever eve-*is attacked by a bird*

 

[wachie]

The bigger and more relevant question is ... TFA > Civil War + BvS?

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I still wonder how Avatar, which nobody has heard of before its release, made over $2 Billion? Did that many people watch it in IMAX 3D *Twas Amazing*.

In 3D, it really was breathtaking on the first viewing.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Civil War will outgross BvS.

By the way, when you make a statement like the above, you won't get credit if you're right. But you WILL get a whole load of quotes and 'lol's directed your way if you're wrong. It's kind of a thing where people only care about it if you're wrong.

 

[Future Foundation]

It's not unlikely that it can hit a billion but I don't see it as a guarantee. Man of Steel was extremely polarizing at best. It also debuts at a bad time in the month of March.

It'll be okay, I think.

It's the end of March, closer to April/Easter and there have been two movies in as many years (F7, TWS) that have done well in/around that spot.

 

[Matt_]

I don't know what's worse: The people who put Avengers ahead of Star Wars, or the people who put BvS ANYWHERE on that list.

You're being daft if you think BVS won't make bank
It could be entirely mediocre and will still probably make $400m+ domestically

 

[Neoxon]

I don't think anything's gonna pass up TFA for a good long while. Sure, Civil War & BvS will make bank, but not Star Wars levels of bank.

 

[rjinaz]

Civil War will outgross BvS most definitely.

I'm conflicted on this. Normally I would say yes. But I have talked to people that don't like the idea of friends fighting against friends. Might be a turn off for some. I think even for me, but I'll see it for the spider.

 

[DieH@rd]

I still wonder how Avatar, which nobody has heard of before its release, made over $2 Billion? Did that many people watch it in IMAX 3D *Twas Amazing*.

No, avatar made that money because it had "technical achievement" draw card, it attracted to the cinemas people who rarely see movies, it was a popular family film [for all ages], and many people saw it multiple times.

All stars aligned for it, and its success is well deserved IMO.

 

[border]

And the point is that if you tell any young actor that they would have a career like Ewan McGregor, most would be very happy and don't have to "keep their expectations in check", even if those young actors just played the lead in a Star Wars movie.

If I had just starred in a Star Wars movie I'd be pretty conscious of the fact that while I helped, the victory is not mine and that this high profile role may not really translate into a lot of other high profile roles. The idea that most actors will not crave or dream of a bigger spotlight than the one they currently have seems a little naive....it's not really a profession that appeals to or rewards the humble among us. It's hard not to come out of such massive success and praise without something of a big head.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'm conflicted on this. Normally I would say yes. But I have talked to people that don't like the idea of friends fighting against friends. Might be a turn off for some. I think even for me, but I'll see it for the spider.

I think Spider-Man is going to be a giant draw. Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman all in the same film is a big deal - but so is Spider-Man getting in a fight with Captain America.

 

[BronsonLee]

I think Spider-Man is going to be a giant draw. Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman all in the same film is a big deal - but so is Spider-Man getting in a fight with Captain America.

Only if Cap beats his ass and makes him sign up for the Army

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I don't even LIKE the idea of Spidey fighting Cap, personally. Giving Tony fits, sure. But not Cap.

 

[linsivvi]

If I had just starred in a Star Wars movie I'd be pretty conscious of the fact that while I helped, the victory is not mine and that this high profile role may not really translate into a lot of other high profile roles. The idea that most actors will not crave or dream of a bigger spotlight than the one they currently have seems a little naive....it's not really a profession that appeals to or rewards the humble among us. It's hard not to come out of such massive success and praise without something of a big head.

Oh so you're a mind reader too.

 

[Toa TAK]

I just want to see Stark get his ass handed to him by his peers. It's long overdue.

That said, I've never been into the idea of heroes vs heroes. Always seemed counterproductive to me. =\

 

[a916]

Civil War will outgross BvS.

By the way, when you make a statement like the above, you won't get credit if you're right. But you WILL get a whole load of quotes and 'lol's directed your way if you're wrong. It's kind of a thing where people only care about it if you're wrong.

If the quality of the films are equal, Batman is going to beat out Civil War. We've seen Captain America and Iron Man in films before... no one has seen Batman and Superman in the same movie, don't underestimate how many people have waited decades for that.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I think Spider-Man is going to be a giant draw. Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman all in the same film is a big deal - but so is Spider-Man getting in a fight with Captain America.

Marketing for the Spider-Man film is key. As with TFA, they're gonna have to convince people that they're moving as far away from the previous films as possible.