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Woke Hollywood gets burned by ‘Charlie’s Angels’ (and Terminator) box office bomb
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Dee Dah Dave
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The problem is not strong women in movies. It’s women pretending to be strong women in movies.
Characters and scenarios need to be well written to be believable, otherwise people will see straight through the BS. At the moment they are trying to have women play male characters. It’s both lazy and forced which is why it doesn’t work.
Characters and scenarios need to be well written to be believable, otherwise people will see straight through the BS. At the moment they are trying to have women play male characters. It’s both lazy and forced which is why it doesn’t work.
mcjmetroid
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uggghhhhh and how did that line of thought work out for him...I’m guessing it has something to do with this.
Tim Miller Says ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Will ‘Scare the F*ck’ Out of Misogynistic Internet Trolls
Mackenzie Davis, Linda Hamilton, and Natalia Reyes are front and center in Paramount's upcoming "Terminator" reboot.www.indiewire.com
Starlight Lotice
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I think that Streaming is the main reason why the films are tanking these days. No one likes going out to see their friends anymore. Unless it is Superhero films.
I wonder how well Dr.Sleep would do if it were on Netflix or something. I think it could do very well.
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trikster40
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True, but DC has been on the upswing, and no Marvel movies in sight. Could be the perfect storm to make $3 billion. It could be the best movie ever...
mcz117chief
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I honestly think that if Cameron were to make a Terminator movie set during the war using the incredibly bleak, dark and blue-hued visuals like we saw in T1 and 2 it would be a major hit.
DKehoe
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Sucks that Dr Sleep hasn't done well. I really enjoyed it.
I believe Cameron said Salvation made him realise he's not interested in doing one set during the war.
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mcz117chief
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Salvation wasn't it, it didn't nail the atmosphere at all except in very few shots. Technically speaking, Aliens is kind of it. Very bleak, lots of hiding and fighting a terrible enemy with very little chance of victory, everybody being depressed etc. It even has that blue-hue and low tech sci-fi feel. Just switch aliens for termies, add some skulls to crunch on and you are golden.
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Winter John
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If Charlie's Angels was a good film you might have a point, but it isn't, it's shit. We know it's shit because the marketing department did all they could to make it look less shit but it still looked like shit.
sol_bad
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strange headache
Banned
It's not that she's wrong, but she isn't really saying anything new either. Maybe I would take her parroting tweets more seriously if her profile pic wasn't a retarded twitch thot trifecta of down-angle selfie, duck-face and cleavage.
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Super Mario
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I'll actually break face for a bit and somewhat agree with the SJW stance on this. Women lead actors just aren't the same draw. Joker wouldn't be where it is at if it was about a woman.
Let's also not pretend like Charlie's Angel's is some deep film that should have been a huge hit. It's not like women are seeing it in droves either.
Let's also not pretend like Charlie's Angel's is some deep film that should have been a huge hit. It's not like women are seeing it in droves either.
Dark Fate isn’t woke and this whole woke crybaby shit is completely devoid from reality.
If woke shit didn’t sell then Captain Marvel wouldn’t have done a billion.
How about movies no one wants to see don’t sell? Literally zero people wanted a Charlie’s angels movie and people are apparently tired of terminator after 3 bad sequels.
edit; and the woke left saying alita is alt right is just as bad and equally ridiculous. Alita is as alt right and Dark Fate is woke. It’s all ridiculous.
If woke shit didn’t sell then Captain Marvel wouldn’t have done a billion.
How about movies no one wants to see don’t sell? Literally zero people wanted a Charlie’s angels movie and people are apparently tired of terminator after 3 bad sequels.
edit; and the woke left saying alita is alt right is just as bad and equally ridiculous. Alita is as alt right and Dark Fate is woke. It’s all ridiculous.
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Winter John
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Did I watch Charlie's Angels? No. It's shit.
I’m guessing it has something to do with this.
Tim Miller Says ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Will ‘Scare the F*ck’ Out of Misogynistic Internet Trolls
Mackenzie Davis, Linda Hamilton, and Natalia Reyes are front and center in Paramount's upcoming "Terminator" reboot.
Tim Miller is a woke idiot. Theres no hope for him.
belmarduk
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I still want to see Dark Fate but if they were to make a Terminator movie like the first one with horror overtones. I'd be all over that!
Screamer-RSA
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All you'll ever need to know about this horse shit.
ExpandKong
Banned
What a nonsense thing to say. If Joker was about a woman it wouldn’t be the same movie.
Not to beat a dead horse, but yeah Captain Marvel made a billion dollars and Wonder Woman was also a huge hit. Women can get asses in seats. The problem isn’t women actors in general.
What’s the difference between Joaquin Phoenix and Kristen Stewart? Joaquin Phoenix is a good fucking actor.
Good actors and actresses draw crowds. It also didn’t help that Banks was doing man-hating damage control before the movie even fucking launched.
So yeah. Actresses nobody wants to see in a franchise nobody asked to be revived, headed up by some madwoman bashing male moviegoers while in the same breath begging them to buy tickets.
iconmaster
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Ford v Ferrari - 100 million budget
Ford v Ferrari
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FvF is doing quite well, unwoke or not. I'm not sure what you're on about.
Do you assume movies need to make a profit in their first week?
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Dirk Benedict
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That's because Charlie's Angels was already a feminine show that men would watch because those women were hot for their time. All they did was put some 3rd wave coat of paint on the concept and push it into the theater.
I think it's safe to say that this is one of those movies that " We never gave a fuck about" anyway.
Fbh
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While I somewhat agree with the overall idea, Joker wouldn't be were it is if it wasn't about a very famous comic book character with a history of iconic portrayals on both the big and small screen. And said character has historically been male (even though I'm sure in some of the 10 billion reboots and parallel universes there's some female versions).
Wonder Woman for example did really well and most people liked it. And I'd say a big part of why is because it's a decent adaptation of a beloved female comic book character instead of an attempt at gender swapping or making a more "diverse" version of an existing franchise. And from what I remember (only saw it once though) it didn't really feel like it was pushing any sort of message, it focused on telling a fun story with Wonder Woman front and center instead of filling it with eye rolling "Woman are badass too" and "woman are just as though as men!" scenes.
bitbydeath
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Drew Barrymores Charlies Angels did well.
Maybe this new lot forgot to be sexy?
Maybe this new lot forgot to be sexy?
Kev Kev
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yeah at this point you'd have to pay me to sit through this movie. already looked terrible and everything since it's been released makes it sound like it's worse than it looked
i do think that kristen stewart is attractive though. just a terrible actor.
wasn't the script so bad that she was the only one who'd take it because she'll take any script someone throws at her?
i do think that kristen stewart is attractive though. just a terrible actor.
wasn't the script so bad that she was the only one who'd take it because she'll take any script someone throws at her?
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Kenpachii
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Drew Barrymores Charlies Angels did well.
Maybe this new lot forgot to be sexy?
Exactly that, new tom boy club looks terrible. Zero sex appeal, shit cast. Who even wants to watch it.
It's a far cry from the 2000 version, and i don't even have to see the movie for it.
Add the toxic as fuck director with it.
What could ever go wrong.
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WhiskeyDiver
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manfestival
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I did not even realize this new charlies angels movie was out
I will say that Nami Scott and Ella Balinska... ooof those ladies have a friend in me.
I will say that Nami Scott and Ella Balinska... ooof those ladies have a friend in me.
Halo is Back
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Get off of GAF for a while. All movies you listed were heavily advertised
Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
I only watch obscure, underground movies that you’ve never heard of. Movies that can only be found.... through a Google search.
Halo is Back
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Huh? I saw a lot of advertising for Midway and Ford Vs Ferrari. Both were top of the box office this week. Jojo was previewed in theaters when I went to see joker and how could anyone not know what a Rambo movie is
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Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
Forgive me, I forgot to attach the sarcasm tag to my post.
LegendOfKage
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I kind of took that as though she might be making fun of those things. But even if they're genuine, this is kind of a low form of criticism, especially considering that she's a forum member here. "Not saying anything new" isn't a great observation either. You make some of my favorite critical analysis posts, so it was odd to see something from you like that.
Super Mario
Banned
This is more of a nonsense thing to say. In theory, it could be the same exact movie if it was about a woman. Why couldn't it be?
But in reality, few women have convinced the public they can play such a role.
cryptoadam
Banned
This pretty much. People have great TVs at home with 4K and 50-80 inches, while going to a movie will set you back 40-50$ if you go with a date. Unless a movie is an event I think most people would just rather watch at home these days, I know thats how I feel.
Also this movie looked like a Netflix or Amazon movie, not a big budget cinema movie. At least thats how it came across in the trailer.
Mossybrew
Banned
Yep. Charlie's Angels would be a rough sell for a $6 streaming rental, let alone getting out to the theater, I mean, does a fanbase even exist for this franchise? I'm down to watch the new Terminator ... when I can stream it at home. Nothing to do with any "agendas" these films have, they just don't meet the threshold for getting out of my house, dealing with potentially annoying strangers, and paying the highway robbery ticket price.
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cryptoadam
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WW also starred the hot as hell Gal Gadot, and it had Chris Pine as a cool as fuck male lead. Guys would want to be Pine because he is hot and cool in the movie, and gets the babe. They will want to watch WW because she is sexy AF in that movie.
Dark Fate lets see. 3 women. 1 is your grandma, the other looks like a 6 foot Justin Beiber, and the 3rd is kinda cute but not hot AF. No male leads in sight except for old ass Arnie. No one wants to pretend they are 70+ year old Arnie who settled down to with a family instead of killing people with his giant muscles. No Kyle Reese love interest bad ass character either.
You want guys to see your movie, put in some ass kicking sexy ladies and a male character that men will want to imagine themselves as being. Not some emasculated soy boy.
sol_bad
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Thank you for not wasting my time, your opinion doesn't matter.
strange headache
Banned
That's certainly possible but your impression lacks evidence.
Fair enough.
I read her Ion Fury article back then and thought it was a decent piece of work and some of her game reviews on Niche Gamer are also very good. That being said, I'd take her journalistic output more seriously, if she didn't present herself like that. Especially considering that some of her work is somewhat derivative and seemingly laser focused on serving a special kind of audience. That string of tweets was nothing more than an amalgamation of already well known and widely spread arguments and examples, so really not that especially insightful in that regard. In that regard, I highly doubt reshashing these tired arguments will serve the desired purpose of making "woke directors STFU".
It just irks me when people, who otherwise are capable of decent work, do stuff like that. She's smart enough to not be needing that. Finally I do realize that my criticism was a little bit under the belt and not in line with what I usually post on here.
sol_bad
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And here's another point of view from someone who doesn't insult the case every 3rd sentence. Someone who just seems to enjoy films.
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Someone's whose entire youtube career is built on loving everything and being a "nerd"? Yeah, I'm sure this movie is Oscar-worthy?
"He just enjoys films"
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sol_bad
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Someone's whose entire youtube career is built on loving everything and being a "nerd"? Yeah, I'm sure this movie is Oscar-worthy?
"He just enjoys films"
The point is, he doesn't divulge in to the bullshit political topics that people whinge about on this forum. He looks at the film as a film. He doesn't bring up his own political beliefs and blah blah.
And he isn't an insulting wanker like the other video posted, that guy most likely hasn't seen the film anyway as he misses out on many various points throughout his "recap"..
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