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Woman on trial for laughing during Sessions' confirmation hearing (Up: found guilty)

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Kinsei

Banned
diablos991 said:
I haven't seen any details but it had to be better than a potential 12 months jail time.

Maybe banking on getting out early?
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Or she just has principles.

The proper response to any plea deal in this situation would be telling the prosecution to go fuck themselves.
 
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enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
It's 2017, cops can kill unarmed black children with no reasonable justification or recourse, but laughing during a confirmation hearing is disorderly conduct.

It's like we looked at the war on drugs and thought that wasn't filling up prisons fast enough.
 
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rjinaz

Member
Dalek said:
I feel like this should be a way bigger story. Like this is pure insanity.
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If this were a thread on Milo or Coulter and them not getting to speak at a university, the free speech advocates would be all over the thread reminding us liberals that hate speech is American as apple pie. Instead with this, we get silence. Imagine that.
 
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Kinsei

Banned
rjinaz said:
If this were a thread on Milo or Coulter and them not getting to speak at a university, the free speech advocates would be all over the thread reminding us liberals that hate speech is American as apple pie. Instead with this, we get, questions, and well she was no angel...
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It' almost as if the majority of people crying about free speech on the Internet don't really care about it and instead have ulterior motives. Who could have guessed?
 
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rjinaz

Member
Kinsei said:
It' almost as if the majority of people crying about free speech on the Internet don't really care about it and instead have ulterior motives. Who could have guessed?
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Of course what it really comes down to is "I have the right to say I hate you for the way you were born but don't you dare say a bad word back". It's called privilege.
 
F0rneus

F0rneus

Tears in the rain
USA look at yourself. You are a piece of shit. Disgusting. And fuck Jeff Sessions. Racist piece of inhuman trash.
 
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Chirotera

Banned
Paine1791 said:
I can "see" the motivation behind a misogynist wanting to deprive women of equal treatment and rights - because they're fucking misogynists. What point are you trying to make here?



I don't know why she made the decision. I can speculate, though. As you pointed out earlier, she's an activist (which you imply is some kind of pejorative), so maybe her principles of fairness, justice and participatory democracy were prioritized over her own self-interest in this case. Maybe she recognized this arrest and prosecution as unjust actions by the State and acted accordingly.

Or maybe she didn't think the jury would be so fucking awful.
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Or maybe she didn't do a single fucking thing wrong?
 
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rjinaz

Member
F0rneus said:
USA look at yourself. You are a piece of shit. Disgusting. And fuck Jeff Sessions. Racist piece of inhuman trash.
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Yeah I don't get the people that get offended when people say America is shit. Fucking look at us. This is what we have become. In the end it doesn't matter how many Americans didn't want this, this is what we are. There is a lot of ugly in America, too goddamn much.
 
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StarVigil

Member
Imagine living in a place where laughing at a man can result in jail time. But thank goodness this will never happen "here" :)
 
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Sweeney Tom

Banned
@BlunderingIdiom
Sure, you may no longer qualify for health insurance, but remember, laughter is the best medicine! Also, laughter is illegal now.
 
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tearsintherain

Member
She wasn't convicted for laughing, she was convicted for her actions when she was asked to leave.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ressional-hearing_us_590929bbe4b05c39768420ef

The jurors felt that the police officer who took her into custody made a mistake in arresting her, but the way the laws were written it was pretty much impossible not to convict.

If anyone here has served on a jury you'd know sort of how it can go down, the judge instructs you to ignore personal prejudices and stuff, look at just the letter of the law and whether it was broken. You don't get any real wiggle room to decide if the law is stupid or not, and are told as such.

I guess there is some arcane law about disrupting congressional hearings or something, the whole thing sounds pretty crazy but its not just a simple matter of laughing out in public and getting thrown in jail.

There were 55 arrests in January of this year in Washington DC, specifically at Congress, for similar incidents. A sharp uptick from last year (0?).
http://www.nbcwashington.com/invest...Disrupting-Congress-in-January-412481533.html
 
Da-Kid

Da-Kid

Member
I once made a joke about giving a look on a community page on Facebook. Our job was laying all of us off so one of the employees made a community for us to help each other find jobs and keep up on what's going. Anyways there were reports of people's checks being messed up. I jokingly said if my check was messed up I would be looking at it in a way that describes being upset. Everyone got the joke, little did anyone know there was some corporate higher up watching the community in secret.

When I went to get my last check I was arrested for making a terroristic threat, when people found out they were in utter shock. When I arrived at the station the police chief immediately looked at me and alarmingly asked if I had a gun to the officers who took me in. I'm black so.. yeah I'm immediately assumed I had a gun. Anyway, the chief told me my charge and what it was for. I literally told him.. "Um... this is as clear as day a joke. I in no way threatened anyone's safety or even mention a person. I was describing a look in an exaggerated fashion." He looked at me and literally told me "I don't care what you meant."

Even the officers who took me in were like.. wait seriously?

So anyways six months later the DA offered me a deal for 3 days in jail, court fees, an anger management class, and a year probation...

Hell no, I fought it, and it was dismissed. Basically, don't ever underestimate the the insane stretches a DA will make to convict you. And always remember, a DA is trying to get as many convictions as possible just to have on their record.
 
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Sol Mori

Member
tearsintherain said:
She wasn't convicted for laughing, she was convicted for her actions when she was asked to leave.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ressional-hearing_us_590929bbe4b05c39768420ef

The jurors felt that the police officer who took her into custody made a mistake in arresting her, but the way the laws were written it was pretty much impossible not to convict.

If anyone here has served on a jury you'd know sort of how it can go down, the judge instructs you to ignore personal prejudices and stuff, look at just the letter of the law and whether it was broken. You don't get any real wiggle room to decide if the law is stupid or not, and are told as such.

I guess there is some arcane law about disrupting congressional hearings or something, the whole thing sounds pretty crazy but its not just a simple matter of laughing out in public and getting thrown in jail.

There were 55 arrests in January of this year in Washington DC, specifically at Congress, for similar incidents. A sharp uptick from last year (0?).
http://www.nbcwashington.com/invest...Disrupting-Congress-in-January-412481533.html
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Two words, Jury Nullification, so you do get wiggle room to decide the law is stupid. You can return whichever verdict you, as a juror, so choose. The Judge can not instruct you to choose guilty or not guilty and can not punish you for your choice.
 
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AlimNassor

Banned
tearsintherain said:
She wasn't convicted for laughing, she was convicted for her actions when she was asked to leave.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ressional-hearing_us_590929bbe4b05c39768420ef

The jurors felt that the police officer who took her into custody made a mistake in arresting her, but the way the laws were written it was pretty much impossible not to convict.

If anyone here has served on a jury you'd know sort of how it can go down, the judge instructs you to ignore personal prejudices and stuff, look at just the letter of the law and whether it was broken. You don't get any real wiggle room to decide if the law is stupid or not, and are told as such.

I guess there is some arcane law about disrupting congressional hearings or something, the whole thing sounds pretty crazy but its not just a simple matter of laughing out in public and getting thrown in jail.

There were 55 arrests in January of this year in Washington DC, specifically at Congress, for similar incidents. A sharp uptick from last year (0?).
http://www.nbcwashington.com/invest...Disrupting-Congress-in-January-412481533.html
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Unfortunately nobody reads the articles so I doubt anyone will listen. Click-bait journalism runs amok and OT eats it right up.

She won't be going to jail. Most likely she gets fined and yelled at. People get arrested for it on a frequent basis. You can't just go into a private area get asked to leave and then make an issue of it and not expect to be arrested.
 
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Dalek

Member
Da-Kid said:
I once made a joke about giving a look on a community page on Facebook. Our job was laying all of us off so one of the employees made a community for us to help each other find jobs and keep up on what's going. Anyways there were reports of people's checks being messed up. I jokingly said if my check was messed up I would be looking at it in a way that describes being upset. Everyone got the joke, little did anyone know there was some corporate higher up watching the community in secret.

When I went to get my last check I was arrested for making a terroristic threat, when people found out they were in utter shock. When I arrived at the station the police chief immediately looked at me and alarmingly asked if I had a gun to the officers who took me in. I'm black so.. yeah I'm immediately assumed I had a gun. Anyway, the chief told me my charge and what it was for. I literally told him.. "Um... this is as clear as day a joke. I in no way threatened anyone's safety or even mention a person. I was describing a look in an exaggerated fashion." He looked at me and literally told me "I don't care what you meant."

Even the officers who took me in were like.. wait seriously?

So anyways six months later the DA offered me a deal for 3 days in jail, court fees, an anger management class, and a year probation...

Hell no, I fought it, and it was dismissed. Basically, don't ever underestimate the the insane stretches a DA will make to convict you. And always remember, a DA is trying to get as many convictions as possible just to have on their record.
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Holy shit
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Da-Kid said:
I once made a joke about giving a look on a community page on Facebook. Our job was laying all of us off so one of the employees made a community for us to help each other find jobs and keep up on what's going. Anyways there were reports of people's checks being messed up. I jokingly said if my check was messed up I would be looking at it in a way that describes being upset. Everyone got the joke, little did anyone know there was some corporate higher up watching the community in secret.

When I went to get my last check I was arrested for making a terroristic threat, when people found out they were in utter shock. When I arrived at the station the police chief immediately looked at me and alarmingly asked if I had a gun to the officers who took me in. I'm black so.. yeah I'm immediately assumed I had a gun. Anyway, the chief told me my charge and what it was for. I literally told him.. "Um... this is as clear as day a joke. I in no way threatened anyone's safety or even mention a person. I was describing a look in an exaggerated fashion." He looked at me and literally told me "I don't care what you meant."

Even the officers who took me in were like.. wait seriously?

So anyways six months later the DA offered me a deal for 3 days in jail, court fees, an anger management class, and a year probation...

Hell no, I fought it, and it was dismissed. Basically, don't ever underestimate the the insane stretches a DA will make to convict you. And always remember, a DA is trying to get as many convictions as possible just to have on their record.
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Jeez. Our criminal justice system is so fucked. Glad you were okay.

tearsintherain said:
She wasn't convicted for laughing, she was convicted for her actions when she was asked to leave.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ressional-hearing_us_590929bbe4b05c39768420ef

The jurors felt that the police officer who took her into custody made a mistake in arresting her, but the way the laws were written it was pretty much impossible not to convict.

If anyone here has served on a jury you'd know sort of how it can go down, the judge instructs you to ignore personal prejudices and stuff, look at just the letter of the law and whether it was broken. You don't get any real wiggle room to decide if the law is stupid or not, and are told as such.

I guess there is some arcane law about disrupting congressional hearings or something, the whole thing sounds pretty crazy but its not just a simple matter of laughing out in public and getting thrown in jail.

There were 55 arrests in January of this year in Washington DC, specifically at Congress, for similar incidents. A sharp uptick from last year (0?).
http://www.nbcwashington.com/invest...Disrupting-Congress-in-January-412481533.html
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This is still some major horseshit. No one should go to jail just for disruptions, especially if no one was hurt.
 
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Fancyarcher

Member
rjinaz said:
Yeah I don't get the people that get offended when people say America is shit. Fucking look at us. This is what we have become. In the end it doesn't matter how many Americans didn't want this, this is what we are. There is a lot of ugly in America, too goddamn much.
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Well people don't like being told that their "bad", truth or not, so it's not really surprising.

I'd say that applies to humanity in general, though. It's just sad.
 
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takriel

Member
rjinaz said:
Yeah I don't get the people that get offended when people say America is shit. Fucking look at us. This is what we have become. In the end it doesn't matter how many Americans didn't want this, this is what we are. There is a lot of ugly in America, too goddamn much.
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I think it's healthy not to identify yourself too much with the average American citizen. You guys are all more than that!
 
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Deleted member 10571

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"Land of the free*"


*applies only if male and white
 
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Lord Frieza

Member
AlimNassor said:
Unfortunately nobody reads the articles so I doubt anyone will listen. Click-bait journalism runs amok and OT eats it right up.

She won't be going to jail. Most likely she gets fined and yelled at. People get arrested for it on a frequent basis. You can't just go into a private area get asked to leave and then make an issue of it and not expect to be arrested.
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Nothing about that article changes anything.
 
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devilhawk

Member
Bufbaf said:
"Land of the free*"


*applies only if male and white
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Or, you know, you actually read the news and find out that two other protestors at the very same hearing were also arrested. They were male and white.
sessions.jpg
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http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/331790-code-pink-activist-found-guilty-for-disrupting-sessions-confirmation

Edit: Shit, it is actually mentioned in the OP too lol.
 
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Lord Frieza

Member
Journeywalker

Journeywalker

Member
AlimNassor said:
Unfortunately nobody reads the articles so I doubt anyone will listen. Click-bait journalism runs amok and OT eats it right up.

You can't just go into a private area get asked to leave and then make an issue of it and not expect to be arrested.
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It's not a private area. This is more like accidentally laughing in a court room.

And yes, I read the article. But anyone with a brain can see that this is a case of an administration using the letter of the law to subvert the spirit of the law, specifically the FIrst Ammendment. And their goal was to make an example out of a 61 year old woman who only started protesting when she was being physically removed.
 
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Kinyou

Member
Journeywalker said:
It's not a private area. This is more like accidentally laughing in a court room.

And yes, I read the article. But anyone with a brain can see that this is a case of an administration using the letter of the law to subvert the spirit of the law, specifically the FIrst Ammendment. And their goal was to make an example out of a 61 year old woman who only started protesting when she was being physically removed.
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While it's sounds shitty to remove someone for laughing (not knowing how loud or intentional it was), you don't really have any ground to stand on once you're asked to leave. Like you said, it's similar to a courtroom.

That said, I remember that court case from a few weeks ago where the judge had a woman face jail time for laughing but then also let it slide once she apologized.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1348705

That this is taken to court feels unnecessary.
 
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Jackpot

Banned
Toxi said:
Meanwhile

diablos991 said:
There is hope for the next generation.
College students shouldn't be sheltered from dissenting opinion.
College is where a person goes to get more dissenting opinions since hearing other opinions causes learning.
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oh, so he's just a massive hypocrite who only uses the "muh free speech" excuse to try and spread racism. Quelle surprise.
 
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jay

Member
tearsintherain said:
She wasn't convicted for laughing, she was convicted for her actions when she was asked to leave.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ressional-hearing_us_590929bbe4b05c39768420ef

The jurors felt that the police officer who took her into custody made a mistake in arresting her, but the way the laws were written it was pretty much impossible not to convict.

If anyone here has served on a jury you'd know sort of how it can go down, the judge instructs you to ignore personal prejudices and stuff, look at just the letter of the law and whether it was broken. You don't get any real wiggle room to decide if the law is stupid or not, and are told as such.
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This is legal but the justice system is hostile to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
 
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Lord Frieza

Member
Jackpot said:
oh, so he's just a massive hypocrite who only uses the "muh free speech" excuse to try and spread racism. Quelle surprise.
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Well, yeah, it diablos. I don't know how he managed not to get banned during the election, all he did was spread massive amounts of misinformation about what was going on. He's awful
 
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AlimNassor

Banned
Journeywalker said:
It's not a private area. This is more like accidentally laughing in a court room.

And yes, I read the article. But anyone with a brain can see that this is a case of an administration using the letter of the law to subvert the spirit of the law, specifically the FIrst Ammendment. And their goal was to make an example out of a 61 year old woman who only started protesting when she was being physically removed.
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When you're told to leave ; you leave. You don't make a big scene and not expect consequences. People in this thread are hysterical acting as though she was forcibly removed for laughing when that was not the case at hand. This sin't a rare thing as it happens all the time. The media wanting hits ran this as though she was a victim preyed upon by the tyrannical Sessions.
 
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Tovarisc

Member
Going to jail for laughing in public place? Holy shit... Justice system of US is fucking scary if moronic shit like this passes. No one stopped to think for a second fuck they are doing here?
 
diablos991

diablos991

Can’t stump the diablos
Jackpot said:
oh, so he's just a massive hypocrite who only uses the "muh free speech" excuse to try and spread racism. Quelle surprise.
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Dissenting opinion is very far from disrupting congressional hearings.

She could have easily shared her dissenting opinion and been protected by law.
 
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Kinsei

Banned
AlimNassor said:
When you're told to leave ; you leave. You don't make a big scene and not expect consequences. People in this thread are hysterical acting as though she was forcibly removed for laughing when that was not the case at hand. This sin't a rare thing as it happens all the time. The media wanting hits ran this as though she was a victim preyed upon by the tyrannical Sessions.
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She shouldn't have been told to leave in the first place.
 
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