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Scrow said:
If a class values one stat so much that the PVP gear becomes preferred over the PVE gear while sacrificing a large portion of stat points, it's bad class design.
Like he said, the pvp gear "has so much Agi" that he doesnt even care about the other stats.
That's no different from when mages were running around with like 3 health points cos all their stat points were in spell damage or int, back in Molten Core days. They used to wear greens that had a lot of spell damage and no other stats.
AdventureRacing
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I might try it on my enhance shammy as well. An extra 200+ agility plus 20% extra maelstrom seems like it will make a big difference.
SatelliteOfLove
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Uldum is leagues better a zone than Vashjir and Hyjal. Those two are too claustrophobic and bottleneck-riddled. Uldum looks cool too.
I like more options in gearing, pvp being a viable (if erratic one) is fine.
And about the mage thing, min-maxing is RPG stuff, and should be permitted, as it promotes customization and breadth of playstyles. Especially with reforging. And this was from someone who cooked up the Spirit Whore Hpriest build to get away from the INT-Spell Power-MP5 BiS of Tier 4. (Boss sneezes at Downing for 5608 damge. Downing dies.) :lol
And the only reason we're seeing such restrictions on this now is GC expects total parity in everything character growth-related, and there have been massive sacrifices in the power of stat stacking and talent point freedom as it's the extent of his creativity at this task.
Osaka said:
I like more options in gearing, pvp being a viable (if erratic one) is fine.
And about the mage thing, min-maxing is RPG stuff, and should be permitted, as it promotes customization and breadth of playstyles. Especially with reforging. And this was from someone who cooked up the Spirit Whore Hpriest build to get away from the INT-Spell Power-MP5 BiS of Tier 4. (Boss sneezes at Downing for 5608 damge. Downing dies.) :lol
And the only reason we're seeing such restrictions on this now is GC expects total parity in everything character growth-related, and there have been massive sacrifices in the power of stat stacking and talent point freedom as it's the extent of his creativity at this task.
seriously the honor point on everything either needs to be boosted up or the cap comes down because its ridiculous how much of a grind it is to get points.
Plus the disgrace of Blizzard make Wintergrasp nothing more than a empty space because they didn't think to keep it up to par with Tol Barad in terms of honor points pisses me off. Its too good a PvP area to be abandoned.
Plus the disgrace of Blizzard make Wintergrasp nothing more than a empty space because they didn't think to keep it up to par with Tol Barad in terms of honor points pisses me off. Its too good a PvP area to be abandoned.
DeathNote said:
I played enhancement shaman through TBC and the first few months of wrath, and I don't regret switching mains to my DK at all, although, this is from a PvP standpoint so it might be different from what you're talking about, but the two classes are really night and day in terms of melee design.
so guys, where can i go to find advice on pvp as a warlock? i see people complaining abotu fear a lot, so my strategy is to just try and keep them feared, then treat them as any other pve single-target rotation (i dont have pvp gear, im demo specced) and while this works exceedingly well vs 80s in mount hyjal, im usually scared when i see someone my own level come along
SatelliteOfLove
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Einbroch said:
I didn't return for the PvP. :lol
Actually, Im holding out on news from Disco Priests in max Resilience; perhaps a return of the BC worst-to-first.
cuevas. PhD.
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Dresden said:
I got 2k yesterday with the TB shenanigans and with pallies being OP as fuck:
now to find some arena partners...
Alex
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Osaka said:
It's not really the class design, it's the ilvl and set bonuses of the PvP gear, this stuff will evaporate with two pieces of a raid set instantly.
But yeah, between just the ilvl and set bonuses of the PvP gear, I gain 314 Agi. Plus, my 4-piece bonus is a boon to DPS (+20% chance to proc Maelstrom).
I don't know if I'll even bother trying to fit it into my PvE set, it can probably be fitted into an upgrade but it'd be a big chunk of time and gold I don't really wanna spend, but if some people like pre-raid min/maxing or are having a hard time with drops or something, possibly look at your PvP set and see what it provides.
From what I've seen, although my view is limited mind you, it feels like for general purpose it's Paladin >> Shaman = Druid >> Priest.
Was the no-adds statue glitch on the crocodile boss in The Lost City found out in beta? It makes that fight pretty much a total joke, and I'm curious as to whether it's something that will eventually get addressed.
(Also: holy cow the WoW forums are freaking out over the whole Tol Barad thing; I kind of can't believe the number of calls for mass bannings.)
(Also: holy cow the WoW forums are freaking out over the whole Tol Barad thing; I kind of can't believe the number of calls for mass bannings.)
Nolimit_SS
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Been ignoring PvP for a while, gonna start doing it a bit next year(tomorrow)
What's this TB stuff and bridge thing? You get 1800 and h&a trade wins? What about bridge?
What's this TB stuff and bridge thing? You get 1800 and h&a trade wins? What about bridge?
Hah.Won said:
I'm now almost fully decked out. AND bonus, I did 2v2 with a resto drood and for the first time ever didn't get raped repeatedly! Conquest capped, woop woop.
Fought the same mage/rogue pair three times in a row. Beat 'em twice. FEELS GOOD MAN.
I'm finally doing the damage everyone tells me I should be doing, and I don't die near as fast. So happy.
iammeiam said:
Heh, Blizzard can't ban everyone that's doing it. Also it's a result from Blizzard's own design flaws. Tol Barad was already messed up with defenders always winning and now they've messed it up even more with attackers always winning! It's kinda hilarious to see Horde and Alliance working together so well.
Actually I think Blizzard's biggest mistake was making the win worth 1800 honour. Way too high, of course people are going to win trade.
Halycon said:
I've planned my day so I always go in when the Horde attacks :lol
cuevas. PhD.
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I usually have someone from my guild on vent telling me when to go in. Or find people from a large/good guild on your server and follow them in. I haven't missed a single one that I've tried for doing this.Dresden said:
I doubt it, I just think its a difficult problem to solve.
Alex
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My solution is always just to erase primary factions and let players pick an Aldor/Scyer like "philosophy" that dictates the competitive fare and quest variance. Something with Nature VS Industry would be a fun overall theme that'd allow smart reuse of old content. It'd fix an ass ton of issues and make the game a lot more comfortable.
Of course, I understand the argument that it'd remove flavor from the game for sure, it's just to me the whole Horde VS Alliance spiel lost it's luster long ago. It'll be a very long time before a possible Warcraft IV and it's just (greatly) impeding game design. Some people are stuck on ghost towns where they can't use the AH or raid, Horde have gigantic PvP queues, no outdoor PvP works, etc. It'd really fix a lot. =/
I mean, hell just for me, it'd be nice to be able to play the Goblin I want (without starting over or paying even more bucks to xfer) and can't because my realms population is 1,000,000 Alliance 30 Horde.
Of course, I understand the argument that it'd remove flavor from the game for sure, it's just to me the whole Horde VS Alliance spiel lost it's luster long ago. It'll be a very long time before a possible Warcraft IV and it's just (greatly) impeding game design. Some people are stuck on ghost towns where they can't use the AH or raid, Horde have gigantic PvP queues, no outdoor PvP works, etc. It'd really fix a lot. =/
I mean, hell just for me, it'd be nice to be able to play the Goblin I want (without starting over or paying even more bucks to xfer) and can't because my realms population is 1,000,000 Alliance 30 Horde.
GhostRidah
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So true, the two pvp priests in my guild are trying to make it work with the same amount of resilience as you, but they are so gimped, guild chat is basically them crying all the time. Blizz buff priests a bit please!Einbroch said:
SatelliteOfLove
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Einbroch said:
Oh, how I wish I had a need to. I get dropped by melee my own level in ganks so fast.
Hey we should merge your server with mine (Area 52), we have 1000000 horde and 30 alliance!Alex said:
Tol Barad queues for ALL.
But yes I'd love player chosen factions, with a some mechanic in place to keep check of populations so one doesn't completely shadow over the other.
I doubt blizzard would ever consider it though.
Alex
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Yeah it's one of those old legacy tropes that forumites would have a hernia over. I'd really like it though, fixes problems, lets me be a Goblin! Hang out in the new Org! New Org is awesome, updated Stormwind is significantly less awesome.
I did whine a few times during beta that Deathwing should have burnt Stormwind to the ground and Gilneas should have become the new human capital. Gilneas is my favorite visual set in the game and it's fairly under used outside of PvP stuff.
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