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Real talk Brodie Lee/Luke Harper looked amazing last night. Looking forward to what he gets to do now.
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Wrestlemania XXX Week |OT| We are all legit shook
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From the general wrasslin' thread:
667,287 at $60 per sub = $40,037,220
Except they paid over 100 million to make the Network.
Yeah, ending the streak is a huge risk for an up and coming talent. There's only two guys who I could honestly see breaking the streak and not having it ruin them - Bryan and Cesaro. Reigns isn't ready for that, not at all.
On topic. I know there's the whole "they were going for shock value" thing with the ending, but the way the end of that match went down I don't think it was planned. Super delayed ring announcer calling the winner. No Brock music right away. Commentary went completely dead. Then Undertaker's send off felt kind of awkward and not really ceremonial or befitting the end of a 21 WM streak. The whole thing felt awkward.
Believe me when I say, you don't want Hogan in a GM capacity. Even when he's not legit running the company like he was in TNA with Bischoff, it would be bad.
A back and forth match can't happen with Taker anymore. Heck even in this match he was weak.
If you look at The Rock who beat Hogan at WM18, Hogan shook The Rock's hand at the end of the match, he still got heat on him. The streak is on another level.
bitesnintendog
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There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
Of course I would want him there. Gives me a larger incentive to watch more programming.
TNA is a poor example, because it's trash. Hogan is hardly the reason for this.
HerbertFish
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Trips took a sledgehammer to the head and was carried back. Steph destroyed her ankle when Bryan jumped on her and was also carried back.
Once it launches officially in Canada, UK, etc. The numbers will go up even further.
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Deleted member 47027
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That money keeps coming brah. In six months, assuming they retain everyone and their audience doesn't grow, on and on and on.
because they need to make it back on one event or one 6 mo period? Think about how much of the ppv take each month they have to give back to the cable companies vs the fact they get to keep all the network money
Apples/Oranges. It was Hogan's first Wrestlemania back in years.
British Monsoon
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I watched TNA for a couple of weeks, then I felt bad and went back to watching shitty deathmatch wrestling.
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How do you feel? Better? I remember seeing you watching TNA in earnest, and I wondered how long until it broke you.
OriginofHysteria
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I noticed that no announcer drank their Mountain Dew.
Ken Masters
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Right, they aren't paying $100 million every year for it, the subscribers will renew
Regardless of whether it was right for the streak to be broken or if you think Brock was the right person to do it or not, I just think HOW the streak was broken wasn't fitting.
It was just a typical PPV match finish. If you're going to break The Streak, surely it deserved some kind of epic finale?
Like when Shawn Michaels Sweet-Chinned Taker into a Pedigree? That was the first moment that I was like 'oh, shit this is it! This is actually how it ends!'. They've teased it so well in the last few years but when it really happened, it just came so unexpectedly.
Yeah, it was his third F-5, but he's always kicked out of multiple finishers before. Why would he suddenly not now?
Given how mystical The Streak has been, I'd have thought it would've taken an F-5 off the turnbuckle followed by a Shooting Star Press to do the trick. I don't know.
It was just a typical PPV match finish. If you're going to break The Streak, surely it deserved some kind of epic finale?
Like when Shawn Michaels Sweet-Chinned Taker into a Pedigree? That was the first moment that I was like 'oh, shit this is it! This is actually how it ends!'. They've teased it so well in the last few years but when it really happened, it just came so unexpectedly.
Yeah, it was his third F-5, but he's always kicked out of multiple finishers before. Why would he suddenly not now?
Given how mystical The Streak has been, I'd have thought it would've taken an F-5 off the turnbuckle followed by a Shooting Star Press to do the trick. I don't know.
Empyrean Heaven
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See you tonight.
Anyway, for Heyman's inevitable awesome promo tonight, as much as I know it won't happen, I would mark out so much if he references the Street Fighter movie.
"Because last night, when Buh-rock Lesnar crushed the heart and the soul of not only the Undertaker but every member of the WWE universe, it was one of the most shocking moments in the history of this business. But for Buh-rock Lesnar..........it was a Sunday."
Basileus777
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It remains to be seen what the retention rate will be though. How many will let it lapse after 6 months?
Ken Masters
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Undertaker doesn't lose unless he signs off on it and hand picks who beats and how he leaves the business
So you're saying undertaker buried wwe nation, lol
I'm just saying, right now is not the time for Vince money gifs. They won't be profitable til well over 1 million, closer actually to 2 million.
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If you're a grown ass man who is reproducing and you let your kids watch the wrassles, you're stuck for a while.
WWE Network's performance last night made everyone else a believer. Beautiful. And then they had a pretty good (if supremely flawed) Countdown right after that probably did big numbers.
No, the time for Vince money gifs was when he broke back into the billionaire's bracket. WWE Network is a huge success.
Spirit of Jazz
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After recovering from my hangover and re-watching some of the show I think the event was great; much better than the last few years. The only exceptions were Cena winning which destroyed the match after Bray carried it, the quality of Taker/Lesnar along with Lesnar's weak build, and the commentary. Cole pretty much single handedly ruined most of the matches with his screaming over things he blatantly didn't care about. I don't understand how the production doesn't notice how the clearly feigned interest, stupid remarks, and bumbling is ruining the product.
Also sorry for being an ass about Kane Soul, I was very drunk at the time.
Also sorry for being an ass about Kane Soul, I was very drunk at the time.
I agree. Some build up would've been nice.
Maybe Lesnar just went crazy and did multiple F5's in a row. That would'be been fitting and a great moment.
I think Taker being in such a bad shape prevented them for going all in, what a waste.
People are lazy and for $9.99 you probably would be surprised how many just let it keep renewing solely for the ability to watch the PPV each month
It doesn't matter.
A legend shaking a new comer's hand doesn't always work and in that example The Rock wasn't a new comer, he was already one of the top guys. Sending in someone like Reigns, or Bray Wyatt to break the streak would backfire.
BigSoftieFF
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I think it went exactly as planned...stunned silence.
When Hogan was in TNA, you could look at a lot of things and say it was Hogan's fault. Hogan isn't the only reason things are bad in TNA, because they still are bad, but he was brought in to improve the product, and him and Bischoff hyped them up to the point where they thought they could go against WWE on Monday nights. Well, they started in January....which is when WWE is gearing up for Mania season and they were pretty much not even a blip on the WWE radar. Hogan did nothing to improve the product, brought in a lot of his friends to add to a roster full of aging past WWE stars and left the company in worse shape than it was when he found it because it is now bleeding money left and right.
While I'm sure Hogan would at least add his presence to the WWE product as GM, that's all he would bring. I doubt you'd see anything creative done with him in that role.
They still need more original programing.
I use this service to watch old stuff and the PPVs now I guess. I've gone through two of the week trials, and the service needs to be worked on a fair deal as well.
Ken Masters
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Like me, the $9.99 to watch the PPV alone is good enough for me. My brother was using my account also so we definitely get our money's worth out if it
British Monsoon
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A lot better. There's something comforting about the mindless stupidity of terrible deathmatch wrestling. As for TNA, I expected to at least make it through a few Impacts, but although I maintain it is a much easier watch than RAW, so much of it feels aimless so it's hard to give a fuck. I'll probably check out the next PPV, though - even if it's bad, something hilarious is likely to happen;
darkside31337
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I dunno, I liked the simplicity of the way it ended. Nothing ridiculous and over the top, Taker simply loses to another stars finisher (albeit on the 3rd one). It really drives home the point of him being a frail, old mortal dude. The phenom is dead and Lesnar was the guy who killed him.
It actually fit the tone of the match well where Lesnar was basically beating him like a rag doll, the audience was so jaded that they were waiting for Taker to turn it around but it never happening fits the conclusion of the match.
The only real problem with the match was the fact that Taker really is just an old frail dude, the beatdown wasn't anywhere near the usual Lesnar throwing a dude around the ring type of stuff so it was just pretty boring.
It very matters. That crowd was going to cheer Hogan no matter what because Hogan was finally back on the big stage. If Rock/Hogan happened a year later after Hogan's welcome home honeymoon was over the crowd reaction probably would have been a lot different.
Monday Night Wars will keep people coming back, not to mention the additions of
-Classic SNME
-AWA
-WCW/NWA
-Wrestlemania Rewinds (they do have like 24 of them to get through)
As well as the rumored additions of Stampede Wrestling and the Colon video library
I don't see how anyone can even doubt retention at this point
I don't need anything drastically creative being done with him. All I really need is the occasional backstage segment and in-ring speech/altercation and that is better than anything they've been doing for some time.
I'm not going to get into TNA a great deal because it's just a poorly run organization. Nobody is going to convince me that Hogan single handily killed it, because that is absurd. He was brought in there for the same purposes he was brought back into the WWE. Problem there, TNA didn't have the budget or resources to promote him properly. You weren't going to see him on the wide variety of programs that he was selling the WWE Network and Wrestlemania.
Nobody watched it before. Some people watched it when he first arrived. Nobody watches it now.
Bluekaveli
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Now now now, we know that HHH said shit; I beat Brock at WM last year so if he beats Taker than that makes me better.
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Man I can't wait for Saturday Night's Main Events to pop up. Their intros and intro promos are always fucking beautiful works of art. Pristine restoration. I CANNOT WAIT.
OriginofHysteria
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At this point, the way the match was going, it was more realistic than anything. Taker couldn't do anything last night and it was evident that Lesnar was carrying the match 90% of the time. Everyone knew that Taker was declining and that he was getting weaker year by year, and finally it took a "beast" to end to the streak. If Taker had beaten Lesnar, it would've been the most unrealistic match of the night.
I noticed how they didn't really drink from it. I bet Vince screamed into their headset to take a sip because Lawler did halfway into the show and felt the need to mention it lol
He broke into the billionaire's bracket because the WWE stock skyrocketed, not because he literally made over a billion in personal fortune. The stock is going to come back down, it already dropped after the announcement.
I doubt it. I didn't sign up for the WWE Network until after the first free hour on YouTube. I'm already regretting my decision a bit, and I enjoyed Wrestlemania 30 probably more than any Wrestlemania since 18.
They still haven't given me an incentive to watch NXT (or Main Event?), and I lived through the Monday Night Wars! I'll be interested in that probably the most, but I doubt I'll go through as much content there. Who knows.
ElRenoRaven
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Well...about that...
There's someone who needs to speak to you.
What? No why would he need to talk to me. It was obviously a dream. I know it was. It had to be.
With those comments I would argue you are not the person they are targeting
His expressions ringside were priceless.
WWE Stock Taking a Hit Today Following Network Subscriber Announcement
Posted by Larry Csonka on 04.07.2014
Wall Street is not impressed
- Earlier today, WWE announced that they currently have 667,287 subscribers for the WWE Network after 42 days of operation. They also stated that the Network was well on its way to reaching its goal of 1 million subscribers by the end of 2014.
This announcement has not impressed Wall Street. So far for today (10:25 AM ET), WWE's stock is down over 14% ($4.04) to $23.99.
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Posted by Larry Csonka on 04.07.2014
Wall Street is not impressed
- Earlier today, WWE announced that they currently have 667,287 subscribers for the WWE Network after 42 days of operation. They also stated that the Network was well on its way to reaching its goal of 1 million subscribers by the end of 2014.
This announcement has not impressed Wall Street. So far for today (10:25 AM ET), WWE's stock is down over 14% ($4.04) to $23.99.
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HerbertFish
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I'm still mad we didn't see bad news Barretts shit eating grin in a segment last night. Would have marked so hard if he came out after taker was done.
I'm trying to look at this from the perspective of Mark Calaway and I really think he just wanted this to be over. Not a spur of the moment decision, but well planned. I think he just wants to be done with wrestling. Hell, he only shows up a few weeks out of the year anyway, and it was obvious after last night's match, he really can't go anymore. Taking a year off between matches probably makes it harder to come back each and every year and give a quality match, especially at his age. What's the point at this point? He's done it all, and the man himself...just looked fucking old and tired last night in the ring.
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