It was a joke, obviously
.More than likely MS will loose significant money from this deal unless they go crazy with microtransactions and things like that. Wouldn't be the first time for Microsoft to make a stupid decision.
WSJ: ''Mojang to be bought by Microsoft'
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It was a joke, obviously
.More than likely MS will loose significant money from this deal unless they go crazy with microtransactions and things like that. Wouldn't be the first time for Microsoft to make a stupid decision.
I mean paired down as in smaller worlds and such much like the current versions of Minecraft across all platforms. Course Minecraft 2 would not be running on Java so it might not be an issue with the sequel.
BronsonLee
Member
It was a joke, obviously
How was that a joke?
I'm not sure they'd be down for that, truth be told. Their whole kick right now is for everything to work the same cross-platform, no matter what. So it can't be like how Minecraft is right now; the only thing I could see them limiting would be the world size, but everything else would probably be fair game.
Actually, it's more like just Notch. Jeb, Dinnerbone and the other developers are supporting the cash cow.
I think Notch is feeling the pressure of producing a follow-up game which is why 0x10c hit a creative block and he hasn't publicly announced anything else since. (Remember, he was the only one working on that)
The rest of Mojang is building out Minecraft Realms and Scrolls. They could easily expand into a bigger studio and pump out other games, but they've always wanted to stay small.
Veritigo_X
Member
Crowdfund 2 billion dollars? Every person who bought Minecraft (approx. 54 million) would have to pay up $37 for that to work out.
Edit: Doesn't take into account people who bought more than one copy, but you get my point.
Dr. Zoidberg
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For one thing, Java is a huge vector for malware. If you are a Windows user, you are far safer not having Java installed at all. Oracle has to patch that shit constantly, and every time you update it they try to trick you into installing extra bullshit you do not need. I hate when anything requires it.
Nah, stuff is usually 'leaked' (reported as not final/possible?) to gauge the reaction or outcry, allow the announcement to have the appropriate tone, and so that when it is announced it isn't shocking.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
I'll pony up for two copies, hell I'll pay $100 each just to keep it out of Microsoft's hands and to stay with Mojang. I just don't foresee good things coming from this deal if it happens. I'm just not a fan of Microsoft's choices when it comes to gaming, but I would love to be proven wrong.
I'm not saying I think it could or even should happen, but I keep thinking about the fact that someone wanted us to know about this before it was finalized. Like it's the community's last chance to show Notch the love he's looking for and change his mind or something
(If so, I say screw him. Minecraft wasn't even his idea in the first place, he's always made it very clear that everything he does is for his own amusement alone, and now thanks to his infamous poor impulse control, a truly special thing is going to disappear from the world. Because there's no way that Minecraft as we know it will still exist after this. Microsoft will have to monetize it beyond recognition to make good on their investment.)
(If so, I say screw him. Minecraft wasn't even his idea in the first place, he's always made it very clear that everything he does is for his own amusement alone, and now thanks to his infamous poor impulse control, a truly special thing is going to disappear from the world. Because there's no way that Minecraft as we know it will still exist after this. Microsoft will have to monetize it beyond recognition to make good on their investment.)
BronsonLee
Member
If someone wanted us to know about it, it was probably Microsoft.
lol, I read your first part really positive like "lets change Notch's mind with good will", then the second paragraph made me think "actually I get why he want's to get away from this community"
People love the game to much, they take everything to personal and feel like an investor rather than a consumer. We're not owed anything. I'd love a game developer to always put me first but they have their own goals and ambitions. If Microsoft screw up Minecraft something else will pop up and take it's place.
He IS away from this community though. That's what I don't get. He hasn't been involved with Minecraft in ages. If he wants out, which I totally understand, why can't he just go? He really seems to want it both ways when out comes to whether the game is "his" or not. Right now, at least if the rumors are true of course, he's selling it out from under the people who are actually working on it, just because he can.
BronsonLee
Member
Couple things here:
He still owns Minecraft, yes? So he can't just go. Mojang would still need to pay him the hundreds of millions of dollars a year to have it.
They're buying Mojang, not Minecraft. All the employees there will likely get stacks on stacks on stacks, it doesn't all go to him.
And the most important part here: WSJ are rock solid as hell on these things. Deals can fall apart, sure, but they don't report dumb shit, for the most part.
Alx
Member
Well there was an article earlier describing how he got into heated discussions via Twitter with people reacting negatively to different positions he had or changes to the Minecraft terms of service. That article assumed that it had an effect on its (supposed) decision to get rid of the company.
RubberJohnny
Banned
He is the sole rights owner of the Minecraft IP, which this is about selling. There's no two ways about it.
goldenpp72
Member
I'm pretty sure you can't have millions of people mutually own one IP, which would leave the property still possible to buy. Who would be the new owner? What would they have to do to ensure it doesn't reach the hands of another company?
TTWO is stable, but not growing and also not in a growth sector of the market (i.e. AAA console games). Companies like Mojang are less stable, but growing rapidly and in a section of the market which is also growing rapidly and is simultaneously much more profitable.
Take Two's catalog are considered known properties without much room for significant growth or profit. Minecraft is a less known property, which therefore still has the potential to fall on its face but also has the potential to grow and create even greater revenue and streams at significant profit margins.
As an investor, would you rather put your money in Cottonelle or Twitter? Toilet paper isn't going anywhere, but it's also a market that's maximized its audience and which isn't very profitable. Twitter is still growing and has a far greater potential for profit, but is also much more likely to fall on its face and collapse than the toilet paper industry is. Both have their upsides. The same basic logic applies to Take Two and Mojang; in that case, people value the upside and profitability of Mojang more than they value the stability of Take Two.
They won't and they know that. If Mincraft becomes a cog in MS machine, it will be used to support the machine. It will be restricted to MS devices and used to push MS services.
Windows is the same way. They don't make the best OS they can, they make the OS that will make them the most money; and to do that, Windows has to support the other areas of their business.
That is why giant conglomerates are inefficient and make less competitive products. Product design is usually compromised.
Not quite: https://twitter.com/jnkboy/status/509768171281465344
http://a.pomf.se/vdknph.webmJunkboy said:I requested a framed photo of David Hasselhoff when I booked my hotel in Shanghai. As a joke. They delivered.
Haunted
Member
Except they put Office, Skype, Xbox Music, Xbox Video, Bing/MSN Apps, etc. on competing platforms. They've moved or are moving a lot of their software to the cloud. There are more reasons to believe Minecraft would be widely available than reasons to bet on Windows exclusivity. Maybe not Playstation availability though.
That said, there will probably be some bells and whistles for the Windows versions.
Alx
Member
Does this mean that we will have Kinect support in Minecraft?
Kinect could be great in a level editor. Scan your room, have it directly recreated within Minecraft... Or would that be considered "cheating" ?
out0v0rder
Member
Maybe the pc version will get splitscreen and controller support
As I don't know what their strategy is long term, your comment is fair. It still stands though that maximum number of users and game quality take a backseat to company health and profits.
& yeah, playstation aint getting shit.
you seem to miss the part where I said "in my eyes". This meant the comment was to do with my perception of notch. this has nothing to do with "this is a business" defence crap.
BronsonLee
Member
@ The Bolded: It's not crap, or defense. That's reality. I missed nothing.
They tried to make Psychonauts 2 work, and the money was too much for him at the time. Who says they even want to make it now? And don't even get me started on 'incredibly slightly'...
Yep. A guy I know is the IT guy for a private school that gives all the middle-schoolers and high-schoolers their own Mac laptops. He say his number one headache is Minecraft because the kids install mods that have malware and other crap in them.
Note: This was before the move to resource packs. I don't know how it has been for him since then.
you are still completely missing my point.
BronsonLee
Member
You want him to spend 10-15 million dollars to make you happy.
no. It would go some way to redeem the action, IN MY PERCEPTION, but I dont really care what he does - and it doesnt really alter my happiness. also dont pull numbers from your ass, it was ~$18m.
edit: you edited numbars.
BronsonLee
Member
Yeah, I posted it and remembered how off I was budget wise. I still don't understand why doing this is a terrible act anyway. He owns it part and parcel, he can do what he wants with it. Selling it doesn't mean he should fund a multimillion dollar project to gain public perception back. He's probably pretty close to a billionaire already, and this would probably add another billion to his war chest (he wouldn't get it all, naturally). That's 'fuck you, later' money.
You have to understand, it seems he's probably not too keen on dealing with the extreme outliers in the Minecraft community that keep ragging him about stuff. Couple that with this ridiculous offer/worrying about a potential followup game not cutting the mustard, and he'd be very foolish not to take it, everybody else be damned.
Edit Part Deux: The Editing - Since apparently you're more concerned with YOUR PERCEPTION etc etc etc than discussing the bigger picture, I think we've derailed this topic enough, no? Call it square.
Public? no, again, IN MY PERCEPTION. mine. also I never said anything about the sale, so for all you know I view him negatively and that would be unchanged by the sale, but the money gained would make funding psychonauts 2 far easier.
edit: yeah square. was originally meant to be an off-comment
TiredGamer
Member
One of the most toxic communities I've ever seen is finally scared for its life?
PS: No that isn't going to happen. Neither is that. Nope, not that either. Really you can stop panicking now. No, that's fine. And that. I don't even think Microsoft is going to care...? Okay now you're just reaching.
PS: No that isn't going to happen. Neither is that. Nope, not that either. Really you can stop panicking now. No, that's fine. And that. I don't even think Microsoft is going to care...? Okay now you're just reaching.
speculawyer
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Well when they cost the same, I'd put my money in a company with a solid IP portfolio & many great studios instead of a 1-hit wonder.
TTWO can grow with the rest of the market including the expansion into China which the entire videogame market should enjoy. And they can create new IP.
DeviantBoi
Member
Instead of spending 2 billion dollars on Minecraft, why not give out 5 million Xbones.
They would certainly take the lead in America and tie the PS4 worldwide.
Flawless plan, yes?
They would certainly take the lead in America and tie the PS4 worldwide.
Flawless plan, yes?
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I can't believe someone believed Microsoft spent $2 billion to combat the Vita...
That's fine if you feel that way, but the market in general does not agree. Take Two is a stagnant company that isn't making any significant money, and hasn't made significant money for the better part of a decade now. It isn't like they think TTWO is worthless, mind you; just worth less than Mojang, because there is so much more growth potential in for Mojang since their strong IP has traction on mobile. There may be some console growth in China, but I'd be very surprised if it compensates for the contraction in Japan, the US, and the UK, and production costs are still going up.
Oh snap. Real twist is EA then buys it from Microsoft.
If it's true it's kind of a strange deal, Minecraft surely must be approaching saturation point. Unless they want them for the talent, though it seems to be hinted that Notch would leave after the deal is done.
Interesting to see how this plays out if it's true. I'd imagine Minecraft 2 being released by Microsoft and without Notch would put off some buyers.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
Do you think that all the kids know or care about who Notch is?
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
I can say with confidence that they're not paying $2 Billion for talent. They're probably going to use the Minecraft IP in anyway possible to make money. Also, Notch doesn't even work on Minecraft anymore. He just collects checks basically.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I would assume they're making the acquisition in order to increase the value of their services and hardware, and from the Xbox perspective I'd say T2 (or Capcom or Ubisoft) would be a much more valuable acquisition, as you're getting a raft of proven franchises which can become fully exclusive in order to win over new customers. On the other hand, looking at it from a Windows Phone or Surface perspective then Minecraft would undoubtedly be more valuable, as I doubt anyone really buys a phone to play XCOM or Assassin's Creed or GTA. Minecraft, on the other hand, has enjoyed massive success on mobile platforms. So I'd say there's a split decision depending on where MS's priorities lie. There's certainly more potential for their phones and tablets to increase market share, but I don't see that really happening in either regard.
I doubt most people would care. MS published Minecraft on 360 where it sold millions, and Minecraft 2 would probably continue to be published under the Mojang name at least in part from their own website or on the iOS/Windows Phone/Android marketplace.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
Notch knows that the only way Mojang and Minecraft can go from this point is down. It was a fluke, pure and simple.
It makes sense to sell out to the bigger fool that thinks things will only get better.
Better to exit now when you can command a premium than when the weak sequels begin flopping and the brand is tarnished.
It makes sense to sell out to the bigger fool that thinks things will only get better.
Better to exit now when you can command a premium than when the weak sequels begin flopping and the brand is tarnished.
Notch walking away from Minecraft after a year of barely two updates was the best thing that ever happened to the game.
Notch posted a blog which I would say is clearly not just about Doom: http://notch.net/2014/09/doom/
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