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[adamsapple]

So you're denying the actual facts given to you by the devs, again? Replacing it with what deluded reality now? Hidden exclusivity?

No, I, and many others, in this topic agree with the dev that they don't have the several* year experience to optimize. The game performing poorly even on PS5 Pro is evidence enough.

No one's denying that.

Just like no one should deny that plenty of PC games with 16GB min requirements have had good to great Series S ports.

But those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.



* I mistakenly wrote '10 years experience', the dev said 'several years experience'.

 

[Three]

No, I, and many others, in this topic agree with the dev that they don't have the 10 year experience to optimize.

Don't give me this nonsense about Game science are inexperienced. You weren't arguing that the RAM usage/optimisation in the game was bad and therefore couldn't run on a Series S. You were doing the exact opposite. You were suggesting if it 'runs' on a steamdeck so the Series S must be sufficient, and the reason it's not coming to xbox is due to exclusivity. At no point did you agree that Series S' RAM may be too low for the game.

Game runs great on PS5 when they locked the framerates to TV refresh rates in an update and it runs even better on the PS5 Pro. Nice try with the deflection.

Did you forget this was what you were saying? :

Considering most are using it as the unverified scapegoat for the reason of the Xbox versions delay, it's worth pointing out that the game already runs on much weaker hardware.

Was the Series S RAM the issue or not? Was it a "scapegoat"? Yes or no?

 

[Zacfoldor]

 

[gokurho]

Wukong Director posted on Weibo to thank all supports for Steam Awards, also addressing the delay of Xbox port for the first time.

微博

随时随地发现新鲜事！微博带你欣赏世界上每一个精彩瞬间，了解每一个幕后故事。分享你想表达的，让全世界都能听到你的心声！

m.weibo.cn

Machine translation:

Fake News
There is Sony's money hat

 

[Zacfoldor]

Fake News
There is Sony's money hat

 

[jm89]

Uh oh here we go

 

[adamsapple]

Don't give me this nonsense about Game science are inexperienced.

I assure you I don't want to give you anything.

This is in the OP, a translation of the dev's statement itself:

it's really impossible to get it without several years of optimization experience

Note the key words 'several years' 'optimization' and 'experience' there.

Game runs great on PS5 when they locked the framerates to TV refresh rates in an update and it runs even better on the PS5 Pro. Nice try with the deflection.

You should tell these folks from this very topic that, maybe they don't have your version of the PS5.

The game still runs like shit on the PS5 Pro. They need a few more years experience period.

badly made game has trouble running on hardware that can't beuteforce through shitty tech.

The way this game performs is just awful all around!

But this game is optimized worth shit. Runs terribly on a PS5 pro. If that can’t get 60 fps without frame gen they have a lot of work to do.

BM:W is very demanding on consoles, PS5 and XSX are the absolute minimum to make the game playable without looking like a Switch port. Even the pro version has its shortcomings

 

[Three]

I assure you I don't want to give you anything.

This is in the OP, a translation of the dev's statement itself:



Note the key words 'several years' 'optimization' and 'experience' there.



You should tell these folks from this very topic that, maybe they don't have your version of the PS5.

I'm not interested in your deflections from the topic and arguing about dumb things. I'm interested in knowing, even if we assume they were "inexperienced", why you said this?

Considering most are using it as the unverified scapegoat for the reason of the Xbox versions delay, it's worth pointing out that the game already runs on much weaker hardware.

Was the Series S RAM the issue or not?

When people mentioned that the Series S RAM sucks why did you then suggest it runs on "weaker hardware". Surely their inexperience would have applied to that weaker hardware too, no?

Nope, even though people told you several times Wukong is RAM heavy you tried to make it seem as if it was being used as a "scapegoat" for the xbox delay. You're finding it hard to admit you were full of shit and they and I were right?

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

The studio says: "We don't have enough experience to optimize the game and release it on all platforms simultaneously."
Some on Era: "I don't believe these egocentric sexists."

 

[adamsapple]

I'm not interested in your deflections from the topic and arguing about dumb things

Then don't.

I quoted you the developers own statement about them lacking the experience, you can feel sad about not getting the gotcha you wanted on your own time.

 

[Three]

Then don't.

I quoted you the developers own statement about them lacking the experience, you can feel sad about not getting the gotcha you wanted on your own time.

Nobody is arguing about what the developer said regarding the reason for the RAM usage. Why you think that's some win for your argument I don't know. You're really trying too hard to deflect from what people were telling you though and what you were denying. People were telling you in that "Paul Tassi: it's exclusivity" thread that:

I'd rather trust tech folks that are closer to Game Science. The 10GB ram is a huge issue.

And you're missing the headline figure here, 16gb [steamdeck] vs 10gb [Series S] .

The RAM amount is an issue on Series S. As I said your example of cyberpunk, on medium settings for example uses less RAM than Black Myth's low settings. The devs would take more time optimising RAM usage with reworked assets specifically for Series S than turning down sliders to match some steamdeck "running" state at sub-720p 19fps native/base framerate.

Yet you kept going on and on suggesting the Series S was being used as a "scapegoat" for the xbox delay. How Wukong actually ran on "weaker hardware" so that couldn't be the reason. You were wrong. They were right. End of story. Don't weasel your way out of that L with more bullshit.

 

[Topher]

Fake News
There is Sony's money hat

You must have missed the part where Jeff Grubb said his sources said there was no exclusivity deal.

Tassi/IGN vs Grubb? I know who I'd believe.

 

[Starbuck2907]

Easy fix. Microsoft has an entire team dedicated to fky By out and fixing optimization problems. Just call them.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

"More reasonable than I expected"

........

"Reasonable expectations vs confirming your own biases"

......

Dumbass couldn't even bother to switch up their vernacular.

 

[Kataploom]

Skill issues. There are current gen games running on it just fine, also iirc DF or someone else said they were using FG for their performance mode in PS5 so they clearly didn't give a single fuck about optimization on it either.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

just a reminder: Avowed is an UE5 game with subpar performance. What's Obsidian excuse? they have 20 years of experience

People were caping hard for the series S: 120HZ guarantee; "prepare to be shocked", its CPU is faster than The PS5´s... So they said.

Now what?

and counting....

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Where is that one member who used to champion xss being current gen and able to run everything with ricky? Now just emoji's negative xbox news?
-EDIT-
Found him! it was Darkmage hiding in the shadows.

 

[Three]

Easy fix. Microsoft has an entire team dedicated to fky By out and fixing optimization problems. Just call them.

You mean like that time when Larian were apparently "shit devs" so they flew them out to get split screen working then couldn't so they changed policy instead?

 

[SKYF@ll]

Once again, I can imagine you just salivating feverishly searching topics to find that zinger

My post you quoted:

16GB minimum

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16GB minimum

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16GB minimum

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16GB minimum

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16GB minimum

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16GB minimum


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16GB minimum


and so on and so on and so on

Consoles usually run games on less memory than PC because they don't need duplicate data (Main RAM and VRAM), but XSS still has less total RAM.
Developers should make an effort to reduce objects, disable RT, and lower texture & shadow resolution.

Steam Deck: 16GB , Switch 2: 12GB
Xbox Series S : 10GB ( 2GB OS *56GB/s) = 8GB *224GB/s *for game
Xbox Series X : 16GB ( 10GB *560GB/s + 6GB *336GB/s ) 13.5GB *for gane
PS5 : 16GB (448GB/s) 12.5GB *for game
PS5 Pro : 16GB (576GB/s) 13.7GB *for game

 

[Starbuck2907]

You mean like that time when Larian were apparently "shit devs" so they flew them out to get split screen working then couldn't so they changed policy instead?

One time in the entire console’s existence and only because of co op mode.

 

[Three]

One time in the entire console’s existence and only because of co op mode.

This can be the second one, that you know of at least.

 

[adamsapple]

One time in the entire console’s existence and only because of co op mode.

The local co-op only*

Online co-op is still there on Series S as with all the other versions.

Consoles usually run games on less memory than PC because they don't need duplicate data (Main RAM and VRAM), but XSS still has less total RAM.
Developers should make an effort to reduce objects, disable RT, and lower texture & shadow resolution.

Yep, the bunch of examples I shared, and the many others I didn't, all show that it's entirely possible to get games with 16GB PC RAM requirements running on Series S with reasonable concessions.

Games like HB2, Indy, Outlaws, STALKER 2 even include RTGI (or Lumen GI in the UE5 cases) while working around the limited RAM pool.

But, obviously, if a game doesn't run solid around the board even on much stronger hardware like the PS5 Pro, the chances of it being well optimized on lower end hardware are proportionally low.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Switch 2 with 12GB unified memory to Series S

 

[Insolent]

Xbox Series S is the weakest console - this has been known fact from the beginning, so it is bottlenecks the entire industry

 

[Rubim]

Xbox Series S is the weakest console - this has been known fact from the beginning, so it is bottlenecks the entire industry

What game exactly is being dumbed down for S?

What we saw when that happened was:
Delay the Xbox version.

 

[Kappa]

Jez lying about exclusivity deals

I was more thinking how the PS5 release was unplayable garbage for both especially act 3 in bg3. It's almost as if not wanting to optimize for consoles is the issue and not the hardware.

 

[Atrus]

Gaming standard is 16GB of RAM moving to 32GB. The Series S only has 10GB of RAM and is the poor man’s entry point to modern gaming. It doesn’t matter if they’re amateurs or the Einstein of game design, more ram is better and this will only get worse as the console generation ages.

 

[Beechos]

Ain't it the gameplay that matters anyways. There's still plenty of other games to play on series s that look great.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Consoles usually run games on less memory than PC because they don't need duplicate data (Main RAM and VRAM), but XSS still has less total RAM.
Developers should make an effort to reduce objects, disable RT, and lower texture & shadow resolution.

Steam Deck: 16GB , Switch 2: 12GB
Xbox Series S : 10GB ( 2GB OS *56GB/s) = 8GB *224GB/s *for game
Xbox Series X : 16GB ( 10GB *560GB/s + 6GB *336GB/s ) 13.5GB *for gane
PS5 : 16GB (448GB/s) 12.5GB *for game
PS5 Pro : 16GB (576GB/s) 13.7GB *for game

PS5 Pro has access to more than that for games.

Edit: Also XSX has split ram so it cannot run all of the available ram @560gb/s.

 

[demigod]

Yet you kept going on and on suggesting the Series S was being used as a "scapegoat" for the xbox delay. How Wukong actually ran on "weaker hardware" so that couldn't be the reason. You were wrong. They were right. End of story. Don't weasel your way out of that L with more bullshit.

The biggest L was him believing taul passi, jiz corden and imran khan. Fucking hilarious

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Why don't they just release it via Stream and that's it?

 

[Heisenberg007]

Friendly reminder of how Microsoft kept implying that PlayStation had a secret deal for Black Myth Wukong.

"We’re excited for the launch of Black Myth Wukong on Xbox Series X|S and are working with Game Science to bring the game to our platforms. We can't comment on the deals made by our partners with other platform holders, but we remain focused on making Xbox the best platform for gamers, and great games are at the center of that."

And how the following folks and publications kept peddling that narrative. Remember it the next time these websites go shilling for their corporate overlord.

Windows Central / Jez Corden:

Report: Black Myth Wukong may have a secret exclusivity deal with PlayStation, preventing an Xbox release

New reports indicate an exclusivity agreement is keeping Black Myth: Wukong off of Xbox consoles for a time.

www.windowscentral.com

IGN:

https://pk.ign.com/black-myth-wukon...vity-deal-not-tech-issues-according-to-source

(Black Myth: Wukong's delay on Xbox is due to an exclusivity deal with Sony, a knowledgeable source has told IGN, corroborating reporting on Forbes as well as what IGN has heard elsewhere.)

Forbes / Paul Tassi

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...-light-on-why-black-myth-wukong-isnt-on-xbox/

(A source with knowledge of the situation has told me that contrary to previous reporting, and even departing from Game Science’s own statement, that the reason Black Myth: Wukong is not currently on Xbox is due to an exclusivity deal, not because of some sort of technical issue causing a delay in the release of the game.)

Eurogamer

Confusion over Black Myth: Wukong's missing Xbox release follows claims of PlayStation exclusivity

There is currently confusion surrounding Black Myth: Wukong’s Xbox console release, and whether PlayStation actually has an exclusivity deal in place.

www.eurogamer.net

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And, of course, don't forget the hard-working folks from the Xbox Ambassador Group here who kept working overtime spreading the narrative of this "super secret exclusivity deal." The same folks can't be found here anymore.

 

[mayham2199]

Skill issues. There are current gen games running on it just fine, also iirc DF or someone else said they were using FG for their performance mode in PS5 so they clearly didn't give a single fuck about optimization on it either.

At the end of the day it’s the Xbox consumer that gets screwed over because of it. That’s why making sure your hardware is easy to develop for is essential and Sony learned that the hard way once already.

Do you think I was saying devs lacked experience with the cell processor and that’s why games ran like shit? Nah I just bought a 360 and stayed away from the ps3.

 

[Maddoxswe]

Reading this was hilarious, Phil’s balls you really took a big L here

 

[Soapbox Killer]

There is a staggering amount of willful ignorance on display in this thread. You can have a legit concern or even disdain for a product like the Series S but some of yall, shit man.

 

[Kataploom]

At the end of the day it’s the Xbox consumer that gets screwed over because of it. That’s why making sure your hardware is easy to develop for is essential and Sony learned that the hard way once already.

Do you think I was saying devs lacked experience with the cell processor and that’s why games ran like shit? Nah I just bought a 360 and stayed away from the ps3.

One thing I can agree with is Xbox messing the RAM configuración, they should have used a single high speed pool, but I guess they were counting on devs using their advance tech in order to avoid any issues, which hasn't happened and will probably not happen until next gen.

But not the XSS as is, I mean, the console is good enough for the resolution it runs the games at and the only thing actually causing problems is the RAM configuración, and that is also causing some issues in XSX but those can be brute forced at least

 

[BlackTron]

Why am I not surprised that the best looking game of the year (not counting tech demos) runs poorly on consoles?

Also, why is it that we make fun of Sega Saturn for failing to have a config that encourages having games compared to the competition, but when MS sticks in a booby trap, it's a skill/experience issue?

Yeah, I bet with enough experience everyone could have made Sega Saturn games too, only there was no point because it was ass and PlayStation existed. It's almost quaint we are still talking about low ram in series S holding back the X. It was a mistake that can't be hand waved away and pinned on developers. You might as well call the Saturn developers fault. Bad strategy in the current climate leads to failure.

Combining the two system approach, with gimped RAM, and parity mandate, who did they think they are? Nintendo in 1988?

 

[Ar¢tos]

One time in the entire console’s existence and only because of co op mode.

But we can't ignore all the games that skip Xbox. Many devs likely skip it because they don't have the experience/resources/time to deal with the Series S ram limitations, it's an extra hurdle for them and this is bad for Xbox only gamers.

 

[spons]

Due to the gimped RAM in the Series S you can't even play backwards compatible games at the same resolution as the One X.

 

[LectureMaster]

 

[Moses85]

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Thanks all, I considered buying this on my Pro but now I will wait for a sale or GamePass since it apparently runs like doodoo on the PS5.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I would love to say something, but can't comment of deals done with other platform holders.......

 

[GHG]

Happy new year Little Chicken

Well I certainly trust anything Microsoft says 100%

 

[Banjo64]

The statements by MS - who’d sign these off now? I’m assuming it would be Sarah Bond.

Whatever you want to say about Phil, he could speak in double-speak and politician-speak and was economical with the truth, but I can’t recall him ever deliberately outright lying about an external partner like this.

 

[Duchess]

Remember back before this generation kicked off we were all told that the Series S was just like a Series X, but at a lower resolution?

 

[Astray]

The statements by MS - who’d sign these off now? I’m assuming it would be Sarah Bond.

Whatever you want to say about Phil, he could speak in double-speak and politician-speak and was economical with the truth, but I can’t recall him ever deliberately outright lying about an external partner like this.

In this case I believe it was %100 Sarah Bond, she's the one who would be internally blamed for that, and I think she had some pissy comment about the exclusion too.

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah game science is inexperienced because the arguably best looking full fledged game of the year doesn't run flawlessly on a shitty, even more underpowered console

I pity poor rockstar trying to make gta6 run on a series s and how many cuts they are gonna do to the base game because of it.

 

[Sony]

It’s not libel at all or even close to it. They arent mentioning any names or accusing anyone of anything. They left it very vague like this on purpose.

They really didn't have to say anything at all. They could have simply directed questions to Game Science.



Nah, that's not libel. "Partners" could be anyone and even if we can read between the lines that ain't going to fly in a court. And even then, I can't imagine what damages could be claimed.

If Game Science did not have the experience to get the game on Xbox then why would Sony even need a deal?

So explain to me how it works that "Microsoft kept it deliberately vague" yet everyone and their mother in this thread is blaming Microsoft for the lie? You can't have it both ways.

Also, if it's that's clear what Microsoft was talking about despite being "vague", where was Sony to deny the story?

 

[Astray]

where was Sony to deny the story?

If your opponent is self-owning and promoting a game you didn't moneyhat on your platform, then why stop him?

Let the weirdo have his tantrum and reap the rewards of increased awareness of the game's existence on your platform (which happened).