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[badcrumble]

Any info on the Home-button on the 10.5" iPad? Is it like on the iPhone 7 or does it actually click? Last weekend I had my friends iPhone SE in my hands and god I had forgotten how awful the old style Home-buttons were. I love the vibrating Home-button on my iPhone 7.

I think it's reasonably safe to say it won't be a Taptic Engine button until whenever the iPad gets 3D Touch.

I'm super curious to know whether the new iPad Pro has the second-gen super-fast TouchID from the iPhone 6S generation though.

 

[Enco]

Did they really get rid of 3D Touch app switching?

That would be awful if on purpose. Such an important part of the workflow.

 

[Guess Who]

I'm super curious to know whether the new iPad Pro has the second-gen super-fast TouchID from the iPhone 6S generation though.

It's listed as second-gen on the tech specs at apple.com.

 

[VPhys]

Access to files on ipad is a big move. They are really trying to turn this into a PC. They just need to releases an Ipad pro with MacOS already,.

 

[timshundo]

If I wanna upgrade to a new iPad how much do you think I can sell my 2016 9.7" iPad Pro (128gb)?

 

[DJKhaled]

So I ordered a BTO Macbook Pro last Wednesday and was wondering why it had missed it's delivery date. Seems they cancelled it today and upgraded me to the new macbook pro. That's cool. I'm happy to wait longer.

 

[Mortemis]

Did they really get rid of 3D Touch app switching?

That would be awful if on purpose. Such an important part of the workflow.

really? hopefully that's just a bug, I don't even use the double tap home button way anymore

 

[Frostinferno]

That's at 120Hz though.

Fair point, didn't think of that. Any word on if you can set it back to 60Hz, or is it a permanent built-in standard?

 

[Zeyphersan]

do you guys think (or know if) the new usb-c fast charging for the iPad will work on the iPhone? As in if it'll charge a lot faster. I already have an iPad charger for my iPhone and it's way better than the one that comes in the box, but I'd love it to be faster like some android phones.

The iPhone will charge faster than the standard 5W plug it comes with but not as fast as the iPad. The iPads have a USB3-based Lightning port, iPhones still have USB2

 

[timshundo]

Did they really get rid of 3D Touch app switching?

That would be awful if on purpose. Such an important part of the workflow.

Perhaps to prepare everyone for the next gen iPhone if the bezels are as thin as rumored. They'll probably have a better implementation for activating app switching.

 

[hirokazu]

That's why I wish there was an official API to take the split view version of the app that the developer already created, and use that to relatively easily create a same-app split view.

I don't think it's as simple as that. The Split View version is still just a single view of an app at a time. Apps would have to be updated to handle multiple views.

I can see two ways to approach this:
- Run a separate instance of an app for each view. This would probably be a waste of resources, and the app would have to be aware that there are other instances, or it's just gonna be a mess. I don't think this is a practical solution as it'd still require work by the developer to function properly.
- Run a single instance of an app that can handle multiple views/windows. This is probably what'd end up happening since it's basically the same paradigm as an app handling multiple windows on a desktop OS. Apple can provide frameworks to make this easier, but an app would still need to be updated to do so, and handle things such as moving open documents from one view to another of the same app.

Neither of these will just work out of the box with the way apps are created right now.

So now third party apps that support split view are going to need to support saving of multiple states, because they may be in multiple spaces?

No, that's just speculation on what I think is a natural step forward based on the changes they've made to the way Split View works. At the moment, it's still pretty much the same basic system in place as before, just with some usability improvements. The only major change in iOS 11 is that Swipe-over is gone and replaced by a floating app.

 

[Miyahon]

Fair point, didn't think of that. Any word on if you can set it back to 60Hz, or is it a permanent built-in standard?

It should be like the current iPad Pro where it automatically changes depending on the content.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Oh man if the one has an edge screen imagine if the edge was just the stack of multitasking cards, slighting fanned perfectly around the edge of the phone.

 

[Zeyphersan]

4k30 video now takes up 170MB per minute, down from 350MB per minute when taken in my 7 Plus. Hail h.265!

 

[hirokazu]

Fair point, didn't think of that. Any word on if you can set it back to 60Hz, or is it a permanent built-in standard?

It switches refresh rate dynamically as required, so I don't imagine it needs to go to 120Hz often, if at all, unless you're drawing on it.

 

[timshundo]

4k30 video now takes up 170MB per minute, down from 350MB per minute when taken in my 7 Plus. Hail h.265!

daaaaaaaang i wish they'd let you run a process to transcode all your existing videos haha

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I'm still chillin on my 4th Gen.

120Hz might make me open my legs wallet.

 

[Zeyphersan]

daaaaaaaang i wish they'd let you run a process to transcode all your existing videos haha

I already filmed everything in 4K to start, now I have no reason to stop

 

[LyleLanley]

I wonder if iTunes is going to offer HDR movies.

 

[Guess Who]

I wonder if iTunes is going to offer HDR movies.

imo: the sudden h.265/hevc push at wwdc is an obvious precursor to 4K itunes movies and the 4K apple tv

 

[Zeyphersan]

I wonder if iTunes is going to offer HDR movies.

imo: the sudden h.265/hevc push at wwdc is an obvious precursor to 4K itunes movies and the 4K apple tv

Seems pretty transparent to me. Amazon and VUDU arriving in the fall, both which offer 4K content, support that as well

 

[timshundo]

imo: the sudden h.265/hevc push at wwdc is an obvious precursor to 4K itunes movies and the 4K apple tv

And the lack of any attention to appleTV means a "film/media" focused keynote somewhere down the line this year. 4K HDR baybayyyyy.

Hopefully they provide a cheap service to upgrade your existing, purchased itunes movies/media for a discounted price. I remember them doing that in the past for HD. Seems inevitable.

 

[Lima]

Ordered the new 12.9 Pro. Wanted the true tone display after seeing it on the smaller pro for a while and 64gb instead of 32gb is nice too. Enough for my usage. 120Hz and even faster processor is nice too, even though I never found the current 12.9 to lack in that regard.

 

[Thezez]

Uh... why is the 'flip camera' button missing in FaceTime? iPhone & iPad. Better be a bug and not an intentional choice.

 

[Mortemis]

The iPhone will charge faster than the standard 5W plug it comes with but not as fast as the iPad. The iPads have a USB3-based Lightning port, iPhones still have USB2

ah, that makes sense, for some reason I didn't think about that

hopefully apple makes the iPhone 8/whatever it'll be called have that fast charging, and maybe even include it in the box

 

[//ARCANUM]

Ordered the new 12.9 Pro. Wanted the true tone display after seeing it on the smaller pro for a while and 64gb instead of 32gb is nice too. Enough for my usage. 120Hz and even faster processor is nice too, even though I never found the current 12.9 to lack in that regard.

I thought only the 10.5" pro had the 120hz and all that and that the 12.9 was the same as before only starts with a bigger ssd. Am I wrong? (I hope I am.)

Edit - okay, just looked at the stats on the site, yep I was wrong!

 

[Zeyphersan]

I thought only the 10.5" pro had the 120hz and all that and that the 12.9 was the same as before only starts with a bigger ssd. Am I wrong? (I hope I am.)

The 10.5 and 12.9 sizes are on par with each other, unlike the staggering of features from the last year and a half

 

[//ARCANUM]

The 10.5 and 12.9 sizes are on par with each other, unlike the staggering of features from the last year and a half

Yeah I think I just assumed they were doing the Apple thing where they update one of the models with the new stuff but not the other one(s) in the same line.

 

[crustikid]

JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH APPLECARE ABOUT THE NEW APPLECARE+ FOR MACS

(Guess Who this is for you)

If you:

a) bought your Mac within the last year and did not get AppleCare on it, you are still eligible to purchase the old plan that does not include accidental damage as if nothing has changed

b) bought your Mac within the last 60 days (April 7 is the strict cutoff) you are eligible to either upgrade your plan to the AC+ version (I didn't ask if it was automatic, sorry, but it didn't sound like it), or buy AC+ if you didn't already. There is no non-Plus AppleCare for you to purchase

c) bought your Mac before April 7th and got AppleCare there is no upgrade path as you are out of the 60 days. Your regular AC still applies but there is no way to add accidental damage

I'm in camp C, unfortunately

I bought my 2016 MBP on Feb-something, walked into a store today after the keynote, and bought AC+ no problem. This was after spending 60+ minutes on the phone with the apple 800 number and finally giving up and driving to my nearest Apple Store. The specialist at the store offered the new AC+ without any hesitations and applied it to my serial#. So regarding option "C", YMMV.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I bought my 2016 MBP on Feb-something, walked into a store today after the keynote, and bought AC+ no problem. This was after spending 60+ minutes on the phone with the apple 800 number and finally giving up and driving to my nearest Apple Store. The specialist at the store offered the new AC+ without any hesitations and applied it to my serial#. So regarding option "C", YMMV.

Verrrrrrrry interesting. And you're sure it was plus, with the accidental damage and everything? Had you bought the normal AppleCare in February?

 

[crustikid]

Verrrrrrrry interesting. And you're sure it was plus, with the accidental damage and everything? Had you bought the normal AppleCare in February?

Yup, I paid $379 and I just double checked my coverage on apple.com and it says it's plus and covers accidental damage. I was going to wait until month 11 to buy AC, but after seeing the changes to AC I rushed to make sure I was covered. I was fed up with the service over the 800 number (intended to just call and add it). I called twice and both times I was left waiting for quite a while for the rep to return.

At the Apple Store, the specialist put in my serial number into his POS machine and it immediately rang up as the $379 option (as opposed to the old $349 AC). He told me I was the first person in the store to buy it LOL.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Yup, I paid $379 and I just double checked my coverage on apple.com and it says it's plus and covers accidental damage. I was going to wait until month 11 to buy AC, but after seeing the changes to AC I rushed to make sure I was covered. I was fed up with the service over the 800 number (intended to just call and add it). I called twice and both times I was left waiting for quite a while for the rep to return.

At the Apple Store, the specialist put in my serial number into his POS machine and it immediately rang up as the $379 option (as opposed to the old $349 AC). He told me I was the first person in the store to buy it LOL.

Hmm, still not sure about my situation. I bought a MBP in November and got the normal AppleCare already. I'd easily pay $20 to upgrade it but I don't think that's an option. In fact the guy told me it wasn't an option

Will investigate.

 

[crustikid]

Hmm, still not sure about my situation. I bought a MBP in November and got the normal AppleCare already. I'd easily pay $20 to upgrade it but I don't think that's an option. In fact the guy told me it wasn't an option

Will investigate.

You can definitely get a refund for the regular AppleCare you purchased in November. Technically you've never used it. I know they offer full/partial refunds on AppleCare at anytime. If you've used some life of AC they'll prorate the refund. I've had an iPhone AC refunded in the past.

I'd probably do it as two separate transactions, call the 800 number for the refund through the AC department (this is the only way), then rebuy AC+ in store. Lot of legwork but if you want +, might be worth it?

 

[Zeyphersan]

You can definitely get a refund for the regular AppleCare you purchased in November. Technically you've never used it. I know they offer full/partial refunds on AppleCare at anytime. If you've used some life of AC they'll prorate the refund. I've had an iPhone AC refunded in the past.

I'd probably do it as two separate transactions, call the 800 number for the refund through the AC department (this is the only way), then rebuy AC+ in store. Lot of legwork but if you want +, might be worth it?

Would definitely be worth it for AC+. Appreciate the input

 

[Frostinferno]

It should be like the current iPad Pro where it automatically changes depending on the content.

It switches refresh rate dynamically as required, so I don't imagine it needs to go to 120Hz often, if at all, unless you're drawing on it.

Ok that's good. Hopefully then the battery lasts longer than 10 hours without constant 120Hz output.

 

[FerranMG]

I read there's a 3D touch tab switching in Safari.
Can anyone elaborate on this? I can't find any picture or video anywhere.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I read there's a 3D touch tab switching in Safari.
Can anyone elaborate on this? I can't find any picture or video anywhere.

Nothing on my 7 Plus

 

[EarsOfASnake]

Really good WWDC, impressed with what they had to show. How does the new control center look on the iPhone SE? Too cramped?

 

[panthapanda]

shoot, i'd really like a new ipad pro. 9.7 is just a tad bit small for drawing.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

Only thing I’d change about the switcher on iPad is I miss being able to swipe apps up to close them. Having to hold and tap an x feels like a downgrade.

 

[Aiii]

Welp, just ordered the iPad Pro 10,5" because why not, that entry level 64GB is a godsend.

At 739 Euro (sales tax is included in EU retail prices), it certainly way past the prices it used to be to get an iPad, but the tech that's in there now is amazing compared to what we had only a few years ago.

Only thing I'd change about the switcher on iPad is I miss being able to swipe apps up to close them. Having to hold and tap an x feels like a downgrade.

Yeah, this is a big drawback for me, especially because the x is rather small (on the Mini, at least) and it just isn't easy to quickly close a bunch of apps. I'd also appreciate a close all button or gesture.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

Access to files on ipad is a big move. They are really trying to turn this into a PC. They just need to releases an Ipad pro with MacOS already,.

That would be less than ideal. The whole point of the iPad Pro is to build and attract a modern wave of professional applications built around iOS hardware and its interface paradigms. Shoehorning OS X - 17 years of programs built around the mouse and keyboard, and then multitouch trackpads - would be less than ideal.

If you look at how drag and drop, and applications like Files (compared with Finder), and split-view, work, iOS 11 is preferable to macOS on an iPad Pro at any time of the day.

 

[boneyjangles]

What HiFi just posted impressions of the HomePod vs Sonos Play:3 vs Amazon Echo.

Echo is obviously half the price, so not suprising it sounds a lot worse, but some people might be suprised how much they liked it over the similarly priced Sonos.

https://www.whathifi.com/apple/homepod/review

 

[ekim]

What HiFi just posted impressions of the HomePod vs Sonos Play:3 vs Amazon Echo.

Echo is obviously half the price, so not suprising it sounds a lot worse, but some people might be suprised how much they liked it over the similarly priced Sonos.

https://www.whathifi.com/apple/homepod/review

Looks good. Unfortunately I already invested into a Play:5 - It sounds fantastic but it's missing the broad stage of a stereo pair. I don't know if the HomePod is better in this regard (I doubt it). I will probably just buy another Play:5 later down the road to have a stereo pair.

 

[mid83]

I haven't finished the keynote yet, but it looks like no updates to the News or Music apps?

I enjoy the News app and hope it doesn't fall by the wayside. Also, I'd love for Apple Music to improve to Spotify's level so I can switch and take advantage of all the AM integration with iOS. I also hope AM isn't being set aside and ignored.

 

[Mindwipe]

That would be less than ideal. The whole point of the iPad Pro is to build and attract a modern wave of professional applications built around iOS hardware and its interface paradigms. Shoehorning OS X - 17 years of programs built around the mouse and keyboard, and then multitouch trackpads - would be less than ideal.

If you look at how drag and drop, and applications like Files (compared with Finder), and split-view, work, iOS 11 is preferable to macOS on an iPad Pro at any time of the day.

Not really. And the biggest problem with Apple's push into laptop replacement territory for the iPad is that when you attach a keyboard then it's incredibly uncomfortable to navigate as you lean over and touch the screen as it has no trackpad.

You can't maintain that a touchscreen OSX doesn't work because it has the wrong interface paradigm, but that the iPad does work when it has the wrong interface paradigm just as bad in the use case that Apple is overwhelmingly pushing for the device now.

 

[holygeesus]

I haven't finished the keynote yet, but it looks like no updates to the News or Music apps?

I enjoy the News app and hope it doesn't fall by the wayside. Also, I'd love for Apple Music to improve to Spotify's level so I can switch and take advantage of all the AM integration with iOS. I also hope AM isn't being set aside and ignored.

For me, as someone heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, I still choose Spotify over AM for user playlists and better social media integration alone. I'm amazed that they still aren't there in AM.

 

[kiguel182]

There were Music updates. You can now see and share what you are listening with your friends and also everyone can add to playlists when using airplay. Those are the two I remember besides further integrating Siri with it.

 

[mf.luder]

Nothing on my 7 Plus

3D Touch multitasking is gone from my 7+, I can’t get to all my open apps by pressing on the left side of the screen.

 

[mid83]

For me, as someone heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, I still choose Spotify over AM for user playlists and better social media integration alone. I'm amazed that they still aren't there in AM.

Yeah, Spotify is far superior in my opinion at this point. Even the official Spotify playlists are far better in my opinion. Plus features like Release Radar, and Your Daily Mix are things I use every day. Plus, I can't stand how AM doesn't alert you when you are adding a duplicate song to your playlist.

As much as I want to switch for integration reasons, there is just too much I'll lose out on right now.