Yeah if creative take an interest in him again they could build him up pretty easily. He's not buried but he is feeling a bit stale at this point.
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Yeah if creative take an interest in him again they could build him up pretty easily. He's not buried but he is feeling a bit stale at this point.
They probably need to turn him Face
Man, that's not something I want to watch for entertainment. Meh.
Can we get Rusev in an MMA gym every day until Mania and let him and Lesnar beat the blood.urine.vomit out of each other instead?
Only if lana tells heyman to SHUT DAP
So overall I think SummerSlam was WWE's best PPV since WrestleMania. I was actually entertained by ever match on the card.
RVD/Cesaro was a good curtain jerker. Too bad Cesaro is basically a jobber now.
Ziggler winning is good, hopefully they're actually investing in him now. His match with Miz was respectable.
Paige/AJ was pretty impressive by WWE Diva match standards. Glad to see Paige go over clean.
Rusev/Swagger actually exceeded my expectations. Glad to see they're keeping Rusev as a monster
I hated the lumberjack match stipulation for Ambrose/Rollins but that ended up helping make the match better than I thought it would be.
Wyatt/Jericho was a lot better than their Battleground match. Glad to see Jericho do what Cena wouldn't do.
Stephanie McMahon with 10 years of rust is a better wrestler than Brie Bella.
Reigns/Orton was the worst match of the night. If they really think Reigns is going to be built up to be the one to defeat Lesnar they need to get to work on Reigns big time.
Cena/Lesnar being a squash match was amazing. The build up to Brock/Cena was exactly how Brock/Taker should have been. This made Brock look like a fucking monster. Cena finally got taken down a peg. And this actually retroactively made Taker look like a tougher opponent for Brock, since Brock actually had trouble with Taker while he manhandled Cena.
RVD/Cesaro was a good curtain jerker. Too bad Cesaro is basically a jobber now.
Ziggler winning is good, hopefully they're actually investing in him now. His match with Miz was respectable.
Paige/AJ was pretty impressive by WWE Diva match standards. Glad to see Paige go over clean.
Rusev/Swagger actually exceeded my expectations. Glad to see they're keeping Rusev as a monster
who will be fed to Cena
I hated the lumberjack match stipulation for Ambrose/Rollins but that ended up helping make the match better than I thought it would be.
Wyatt/Jericho was a lot better than their Battleground match. Glad to see Jericho do what Cena wouldn't do.
Stephanie McMahon with 10 years of rust is a better wrestler than Brie Bella.
Reigns/Orton was the worst match of the night. If they really think Reigns is going to be built up to be the one to defeat Lesnar they need to get to work on Reigns big time.
Cena/Lesnar being a squash match was amazing. The build up to Brock/Cena was exactly how Brock/Taker should have been. This made Brock look like a fucking monster. Cena finally got taken down a peg. And this actually retroactively made Taker look like a tougher opponent for Brock, since Brock actually had trouble with Taker while he manhandled Cena.
I'm sure they will, probably by next year. But in the meantime, he probably should start coming down to earth a little more. The cryptic cult stuff is well delivered but after a year of it it's run its course a little.
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Haven't really watched wrestling since the Raw/Smackdown split, so it's been a long time. I subscribed to the WWE network to go back and watch some classic stuff and figured I'd check out SummerSlam.
Couple thoughts I had:
-Whatever they started doing with the ring mat that makes big impact moves sound like small explosions is awesome.
-Hated the women's matches back when I used to watch as they were just about eye candy and were never interesting beyond that, but now they seem to have at least a couple of women who can pull off some cool moves and who seem to actually know what they're doing. And then I see that they've changed the title to "Diva's Championship" and made the belt pink and sparkly. This seems kind of ass backwards.
-I know basically none of the new wrestlers. I enjoyed the Bray Wyatt entrance a ton with the cell phone lights in the crowd. His character seems pretty interesting, but things like the "spider walk" and some of his dialogue (especially the singing after the match) just came off as corny. I also really liked Dean Ambrose's schtick from what I gathered and the lumberjack match was my favorite match all night.
-Stephanie McMahon is still crazy hot.
-From reading the thread and just hearing about how tired everyone is of Cena it's pretty plain to see having Lesnar win the title was the right thing for them to do, but to me that match was boring as hell. I guess if you really hate Cena it might've been fun to see him get his ass kicked for 20 minutes, but that match had a lot of nothing going on in between the suplexes. A little more back and forth would've been more fun to watch, especially for a main event.
Couple thoughts I had:
-Whatever they started doing with the ring mat that makes big impact moves sound like small explosions is awesome.
-Hated the women's matches back when I used to watch as they were just about eye candy and were never interesting beyond that, but now they seem to have at least a couple of women who can pull off some cool moves and who seem to actually know what they're doing. And then I see that they've changed the title to "Diva's Championship" and made the belt pink and sparkly. This seems kind of ass backwards.
-I know basically none of the new wrestlers. I enjoyed the Bray Wyatt entrance a ton with the cell phone lights in the crowd. His character seems pretty interesting, but things like the "spider walk" and some of his dialogue (especially the singing after the match) just came off as corny. I also really liked Dean Ambrose's schtick from what I gathered and the lumberjack match was my favorite match all night.
-Stephanie McMahon is still crazy hot.
-From reading the thread and just hearing about how tired everyone is of Cena it's pretty plain to see having Lesnar win the title was the right thing for them to do, but to me that match was boring as hell. I guess if you really hate Cena it might've been fun to see him get his ass kicked for 20 minutes, but that match had a lot of nothing going on in between the suplexes. A little more back and forth would've been more fun to watch, especially for a main event.
Sir_Crocodile
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Nah, fans deserve this after a decade of cena
only thing that might have been better would've been the first f5 finishing things, but that would have felt almost like a flash pin I guess.
This was an out-and-out squash match and I loved every minute of it, from the german suplex to the undertaker sit-up to the german suplex to "I'll kill him" to the chained german suplex to the F5.
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Fans deserve this? Hah
And when Cena comes back and beats Brock for the title to become 16x champ you fans will deserve that also
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It's going to be reigns or bryan
Probably reigns given bryans injury issues. Though he's really too green for this at the moment, he needs to improve quite a bit in the next six months.
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Tonight on Raw.
No, whoever beats Lesnar will either be Bryan or Reigns, hopefully the former but most likely the latter, Cena ain't sniffing the title picture for a long long time
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Because Lesnar is boring as hell.
This is why I think the idea that Lesnar keeps the title until WM is insane. You have basically satisfied a group of smarks on the internet, but have you really satisfied the base that pays the majority of the income for your product? I don't think you have. You're basically going to be running storylines about the title without the champion even being there. Somebody ridiculous like Big Show will get fed to him next, which will do nothing.
Man, I think the fans are way too smart for Reigns/Brock to actually be a thing at Mania. Thinking back to Royal Rumble 2014, it's hard to believe how bad the crowd shit on the finish. The exact same thing would happen this year if Reigns won.
Last year, it was Vince ramming Batista down our throat, even thought we didn't want him. If they try to do the same with Reigns, it's NOT going to work if there's ANY indication that Bryan is ready to go.
Last year, it was Vince ramming Batista down our throat, even thought we didn't want him. If they try to do the same with Reigns, it's NOT going to work if there's ANY indication that Bryan is ready to go.
But he's not.
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Umm Brock Lesnar makes a lot of money for the company. He isn't some no name person who isn't important outside of wrestling.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Does he?
You are aware that Lesnar is proven money, right?
You think Dana and Vince court Lesnar to not make money?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm legitimately asking if this is true. I haven't seen any figures released in the past.
Vince courted Mark Henry to make money. He courted Donald Trump to make money. That means nothing.
I'm curious as to how many smarks will love Lesnar after he tears through Bryan the same way he did Cena.
Sir_Crocodile
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I've bought PPV's purely because of Lesnar on several occasions.
Only one that was disappointing was 'mania, and that was taker not holding up his end. Lesnar's pretty much always delivered since he came back.
Lesnar has already proved he's happy to take the L and that he's happy to sell.
If that happens it'll be purely on Vince.
Now that PPV is dead it's hard to tell, but I believe his Extreme Rules 2012 match with Cena was the biggest B-show buyrate they have done in years
They're in that position because of their own stupidity.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
See, I keep hearing this from internet wrestling fans, but I've never seen numbers. If it's true, it will be interesting to see if it holds up. With today's wrestling market, I just don't see it.
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Lesnar even got a good buyrate out of Extreme Rules, dude is a god
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I can't see Cena coming back to beat Lesnar. I think last night sent the message that Cena's time is starting to run out (I know....I know).
At this point, they have to start building their next generation of main event caliber guys. One of those has to be the one to beat Lesnar. Having Cena return in his not even human form would do nothing for the company at this point.
At this point, they have to start building their next generation of main event caliber guys. One of those has to be the one to beat Lesnar. Having Cena return in his not even human form would do nothing for the company at this point.
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I think your being a little unfair on taker, he was doing OK until the concussion. Not spectacular, but holding his own.
Trouble with Brock is if it was a real fight he would easily beat anyone, I have no idea what they are going to do now. Which is a good thing.
Cena ain't going anywhere. He still got to beat Ric Flair record.
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His summerslam with trips also had the best buyrate for a 'slam since 2008.
Hmmm. Haven't seen it since mania, will have to rewatch.
I assume the idea was to have bryan reverse everything he does into submissions. That'd have been a great, and fairly believable match.
Problem with reigns is he's a power wrestler like Cena, and Lesnar's already at the pinnacle of that. How you gonna hit a superman punch on superman?
Except unless you want to say that Bryan is heads and tails above the Undertaker and Cena, you pretty much have to have Lesnar kick Bryan's ass for 20 minutes straight and then pin him. There's no credibility to Bryan beating Lesnar after 'Taker loses at WM and Cena gets squashed for 15 minutes straight.
I mean, if they want to bring back the unpredictability aspect, they need to bring back Punk at RR, and Punk get destroyed. Bryan wins RR, faces Lesnar at WM...and gets destroyed. If whoever faces Lesnar at WM gets dominated, then you'll start to make things actually unpredictable.
EDIT: Also, with the way Lesnar throws people around, I would not let Bryan anywhere near him. Neck injuries + Lesnar's move set = noooooooo way.
Nicktendo86
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You may well be right and my memory has been kind to taker, I just remember him flipping backwards over the ropes and generally looking OK if a little stiff. Was a definite nosedive after the concussion, and was painful to watch
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ssful-were-wwe-ppvs-over-the-last-year/page/2
And that 263,000 for ER is up almost 60,000 from 2011 which had 209,000 buys. ER 2013 dropped back to 231,000.
Sir_Crocodile
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Cena didn't even wrestle though.
Have bryan stick to lesnar and use submisisons. If it's more catch wrestling then a contest of power they could have a credible match.
Haven't got any problem with bryan taking the L, but with punk gone I don't see anyone else credible. They've demolished Mark Henry's credibilty and Reigns is too green. Though it may well be they have to go with reigns anyway if bryan's injury problems persist.
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Lesnar can be safe if he needs to. After Taker got concussed at WM, you could tell he was being more conservative with his style. Ended up being a pretty boring match, but at least he didn't fuck Taker up worse than he could have.
Also, I think they might be setting up Steph or some diva vs Ronda Rousey at WM31. But Ronda likes working as a heel, so they would have to find a face who could credibly hold up against Rousey; but I think it is coming.
Problem is that a safe Lesnar is the one thing that isn't good to watch. You can't build Lesnar up as an unstoppable monster, destroying people left and right with germans and F5s and then have him go all light on Bryan.
Problem is that a safe Lesnar is the one thing that isn't good to watch. You can't build Lesnar up as an unstoppable monster, destroying people left and right with germans and F5s and then have him go all light on Bryan.
Vince repeatedly courted Lesnar to make money.
Do you really think some fans on the internet know what makes money more than Vince McMahon or Dana White?
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I was thinking about this all night afterward, because I can't see this Reigns thing working out for them. He's so clearly the chosen one, but Brock has legitimacy. Why would anyone cheer for Reigns? This whole thing could really backfire.
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Eddie Guerrero was shorter and a few pounds heavier than Daniel Bryan.
7 years have already passed: repeat NWO2004 but at wrestlemania and use Reigns instead of Goldberg.
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It's also worth pointing out for data's sake that ER 2013 had Rock vs Punk II
If they decide to end Orton's jobber streak, I'd like to see him vs Brock.
If they start building Rusev as a potential credible main eventer I'd love to Rusev/Brock, but it's waaaay too early for that.
Bryan vs Brock would kill.
My dream booking would be Bray/Lesnar with Bray going over clean. If Bray were to win clean at SS or TLC or something and hold the belt 'till Mania I could even accept him dropping it to Reigns.
If they start building Rusev as a potential credible main eventer I'd love to Rusev/Brock, but it's waaaay too early for that.
Bryan vs Brock would kill.
My dream booking would be Bray/Lesnar with Bray going over clean. If Bray were to win clean at SS or TLC or something and hold the belt 'till Mania I could even accept him dropping it to Reigns.
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