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[onnextflix5]

If there is no next gen Xbox console, day 1 gampass will surely not be sustainable. Time will tell

 

[onnextflix5]

Xbox really needs to invest more resources in Xcloud. The Game Pass library is great, but streaming games to your phone or whatever platform you want should totally be the future. IF they can finally get it working great. GeForce NOW is a good example of what Xbox needs to be doing. Flexibility in choosing framerate, resolution, bitrate, etc. And it looks amazing with barely any hitches. And even if it does lag, the stuttering doesn't break the game into a blurry mess like Xcloud constantly does. Imagine if the barrier to entry to the entire Game Pass catalog is just a screen that you most likely already have? And maybe a controller? That seems to be what they want it to be... but Xcloud just sucks so much dong that it's never going to get there at its current pace. Streaming could be the future if they just give it some extra love.

Yeah, yeah, there's the whole issue of not owning your games, and that does suck. But digital games have been a thing for a while now anyway. Streaming is just an evolution of how your existing library/Game pass can be delivered to you, but I think the instant-access-to-any-game promise is an overwhelming pro outweighing the cons.

Bro there is like 5 people on GeForce now, if had the same amount of users as xcloud it would be just as shit. Steaming is just not viable to replace consoles anytime soon, they should double down hardware, but ms don't like losing money so seems like they are winding down making hardware.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

ROG Ally and potential future console plans might ramp this up quite a bit. Game Pass as it was known up until now and what it can be from now on are two different things.

No.

 

[Clintizzle]

90% of those are $1 trials...

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Wasn't it 30 million like two years ago?

 

[hemo memo]

That's more than Apple TV+.

 

[Sebastian1295]

Phil spencer is the worst gaming CEO in history. Went all in on gamepass and convinced Microsoft to spend around 80 billion for publishers to bolster it, just for the service to faceplant and for xbox to have to go third party. What a clown.

 

[playbignbox]

It's hard to take this "source" seriously

 

[Klayzer]

It's hard to take this "source" seriously

Lol. Any "source" with potentially negative Xbox news, won't be taken seriously by you.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Lol. Any "source" with potentially negative Xbox news, won't be taken seriously by you.

But they eat up anything Jez Corden says.

 

[Mattyp]

Phil spencer is the worst gaming CEO in history. Went all in on gamepass and convinced Microsoft to spend around 80 billion for publishers to bolster it, just for the service to faceplant and for xbox to have to go third party. What a clown.

It's amazing people in this thread still don't understand what Microsoft's aim is, they're second highest in revenue only to Sony and considering the install base size difference not that far behind them at all only a couple billion per quarter.

It wouldn't surprise me if the end goal is gamepass on PS5 at this point. Software sales and subscription services is where the money is it's the reason they're the richest and largest company in the world. Hardware isn't it, it's a loss leader.

They don't care where you play games, they just want your money.

 

[playbignbox]

Lol. Any "source" with potentially negative Xbox news, won't be taken seriously by you.

But they eat up anything Jez Corden says.

Let's be honest, you guys know that this kind of information is just rounding off the number released in February 2024. No exact information could be released before MS, a leak of the exact number could bring legal implications, and this goes for journalists too.

This report is a nothingburger, but you can continue to take this seriously as negative "news" for Xbox and argue about it.

 

[Portugeezer]

It's amazing people in this thread still don't understand what Microsoft's aim is, they're second highest in revenue only to Sony and considering the install base size difference not that far behind them at all only a couple billion per quarter.

It wouldn't surprise me if the end goal is gamepass on PS5 at this point. Software sales and subscription services is where the money is it's the reason they're the richest and largest company in the world. Hardware isn't it, it's a loss leader.

They don't care where you play games, they just want your money.

Gamepass will be available on PS5 for sure, like EA Play, but they need to continue to build up the portfolio first.

 

[Verchod]

Maybe We're seeing Xbox go third party so that after they've released a good few titles on other platforms, they can they start doing a version of gamepass on those platforms.
Certainly one way of making those numbers creep up

 

[ProtoByte]

It's amazing people in this thread still don't understand what Microsoft's aim is, they're second highest in revenue only to Sony and considering the install base size difference not that far behind them at all only a couple billion per quarter.

Supposedly. That's only because they're simultaneously a platform holder and a 3rd party publisher AND they've spent the last 7 years buying out quite literally half of the significant industry.

The question isn't just about revenues but cost. The overhead on all of this is way above Sony's in terms of percentage of revenues and even in absolute numbers, I promise you that.

It wouldn't surprise me if the end goal is gamepass on PS5 at this point. Software sales and subscription services is where the money is it's the reason they're the richest and largest company in the world. Hardware isn't it, it's a loss leader.

Sony isn't treating their hardware like a loss leader at this point and neither is MS. Besides, Sony will never allow Gamepass on their platform. It would destroy their business model, and seriously piss off other third parties. Someone needs somewhere to actually sell their games, and every year, PS pulls off the most unit sales at the highest average prices.

They don't care where you play games, they just want your money.

And they're clearly not getting enough of it.

 

[genesisblock]

As much as I like the idea of a Netflix style of Game pass, my experience in Windows has been nothing but bad. First, what is with that awful Windows app format? I tried playing Halo with my friend and everytime I had a glitch or error I need to redownload the game to "reverify". On the other hand it's amazing how Halo on Steam is a far better experience.

 

[Ebrietas]

After all this time and expanding to PC, all they can muster is 35 million? Lol. And even that's after renaming live gold to gamepass. Once the series consoles are decomissioned these numbers will tank hard (as that is where the majority of gamepass and all "gold" subscribers come from).

People who think MS will be successful as a third party are in for a rude awakening. They are basically just "activision+" now, but with an extremely incompetent management team at the helm. Better hope all the kids still want to play call of duty for the next 10 years.

 

[Ceadeus]

It's a sick ass service too

 

[Pimpbaa]

It's the only way I'd be playing ms published games day 1 with the upcoming price hike to 80 bucks US.

 

[NickFire]

Crazy they couldn't grow this thing much larger than it would be if Xbox Live hadn't gotten a name change. Think about it. They offered an entire platforms first party lineup for long term and too good to be true kind of deals. And I've seen people claim you can even pay monthly, cancel at end of month, and get full refund still (hysterical if true btw). They need complete overhaul of leadership in my opinion.

 

[Heisenberg007]

This is not surprising really. Matt has been saying for a long time that sub services have stalled. If there were any real growth in GP he would be saying it.

Exactly. And because Game Pass is most popular in the US and Mat covers the US market, if GP growed, it could have had an impact on the US subscriptions market.

But no subscription has been growing.

Andor developer even told in an interview that Disney was not giving them the full budget money for Season 02. Disney literally said to him that "Streaming is dead now."

 

[FinalBossWithTheMostPower]

 

[adamsapple]

Isn't this linkedin old news just being rehashed again? Could've swore there was a thread on this months ago.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Assuming this to be true,

In addition to the report we got of cod's performance and gamepass growth due to it. It could mean either of the two things-

1. They have a very high churn rate. Even for cod, people subbed for a month or three and didn't resubscribed afterwards.

2. The linkedin profile doesn't contain updated numbers. The 35 mil in it is the last known userbase number publically revealed by ms and that's what the user put on his profile rather than the actual number of users it now has.

Considering how many studios ms has, I hope it is the later.

 

[jm89]

It's amazing people in this thread still don't understand what Microsoft's aim is, they're second highest in revenue only to Sony and considering the install base size difference not that far behind them at all only a couple billion per quarter.

It wouldn't surprise me if the end goal is gamepass on PS5 at this point. Software sales and subscription services is where the money is it's the reason they're the richest and largest company in the world. Hardware isn't it, it's a loss leader.

They don't care where you play games, they just want your money.

 

[ByWatterson]