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[Alan Wake]

Series X is a great console. Just sad to see them messing up their business strategy so completely and mismanaging their studios as well as their most important IP's. And their communication has been atrocious, even more so than we're used to. After launching good hardware they've done basically everything wrong.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Series X is a great console. Just sad to see them messing up their business strategy so completely and mismanaging their studios as well as their most important IP's. And their communication has been atrocious, even more so than we're used to. After launching good hardware they've done basically everything wrong.

Yep, hardware is great.
Powerful quiet, nice build quality.
As you say, just everything else....

 

[leo-j]

Series X is a great console. Just sad to see them messing up their business strategy so completely and mismanaging their studios as well as their most important IP's. And their communication has been atrocious, even more so than we're used to. After launching good hardware they've done basically everything wrong.

yea other than call of duty, I think the expected strategy of call of duty on gamepass...... and with most of the exclusive content through there, plus exclusivity on everything else activision/bethesda it could have definately affected the industry.... but the big head of microsoft saw how much money they could make by dropping the biggest games on PS... so now we have forza, gears, and call of duty at their best on ps vs xbox. Making money, and crippiling the xbox console.

 

[UltimaKilo]

Well I'll summarize for you (and this is very accurate, not exagerated or whatsoever). For the last 11 years, every year we had "next year will be big for Xbox" and it never really happens. And then you have Windowscentral articles saying Xbox's future is bright/brighter than ever every year, you have Destin putting on his Youtube channel contradictory stuff all the time ("the plan was always to put Bethesda games exclusives" pivoted to "I don't see any problem Bethesda games being multiplat"), depending on what Microsoft says, you have people like Parris saying everything Xbox is doing is future-proof and that they will lead the way (Game Pass, or more recently the Asus handheld).

Then when the PR doesn't quite match reality, they pivot and then they blame you for console warring. Microsoft "doesn't care about the hardware sales, they are beyond that" was very happy to report how fast the Series X/S was selling compared to Xbox One. And when that didn't last, all the online people went back to "they don't care about the hardware sales, they aim for the 1 billion players on PC and Cloud". The reality is that Microsoft (or at least Xbox) is very Xbox hardware-dependant, as pretty much all Game Pass users are on console. They keep saying "game pass is growing" "game pass is bigger than ever" but they give 25 million subscribers in early 2022 excluding Live (renamed Core) users, then 34 million users last year including Live (now GP Core) users. They buy studios for more than 80 billion $, they close some of them, they cancel projets, but they say "Game Pass isn't the problem, it is profitable". And when people are arguing the math isn't mathing, they are being called haters.

So not really people hating the console, more like people hating that one of the biggest company in the world cannot look back to their mistakes and learn from them, rather keep changing what doesn't work until something sticks on the wall. And of course putting all your new 60/70/80$ games into a subscription service that people barely pays anything for it would stick on the wall, but at what cost ?

We have a recent example of a company launching a product poorly received and sold, learning from their mistakes, and turning things around to become extremely successful (aka Nintendo, and in some extent, Sony during the PS3 era). I believe everybody want Microsoft to do the same, but they don't.

Look, I cannot speak to those people you mention, but what does any of this matter? Does some random internet corporate shill make Indiana Jones, CoD or Oblivion less fun? Not for me and nor does it by releasing them multi-platform. Are Phil Spencer and Sara Bond inept and unqualified? Appears so and it's quite concerning they have not been laid off especially given a change in strategic vision for Xbox.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Yep. And he is not answering any of these questions when asked. This is such weird behavior.

The fact that he's getting defensive proves that he knows he's not being truthful. He tried to do sly one and got caught out.

 

[jm89]

Welfare himself said Xbox series is at around 17m in the US. How then is 37m even possible worldwide? Xbox has barely sold anything in Japan and Europe, so where the heck is he getting that 20m from outside the US to get 37m worldwide? Just admit that you got it wrong!

So his up to date numbers are 17m for USA?

Yeah I'm not getting where he is getting 20 mill from the rest of the world. Xbox has massively collapsed outside the USA, even more then the collapse in the USA. For consoles it's really a USA only brand at this point.

 

[Topher]

Look, I cannot speak to those people you mention, but what does any of this matter? Does some random internet corporate shill make Indiana Jones, CoD or Oblivion less fun? Not for me and nor does it by releasing them multi-platform. Are Phil Spencer and Sara Bond inept and unqualified? Appears so and it's quite concerning they have not been laid off especially given a change in strategic vision for Xbox.

Who said any of this prevents people like yourself from liking XSX or those games?

 

[kaizenkko]

Yep, hardware is great.
Powerful quiet, nice build quality.
As you say, just everything else....

The problem is that the PS5 is also a good console. It performs well in games, is quiet, etc. But beyond all that, Sony uses much more assertive marketing strategies, has the exclusives, and now even gets Microsoft's own games. It's never been this easy for Sony.

 

[ecosse_011172]

The problem is that the PS5 is also a good console. It performs well in games, is quiet, etc. But beyond all that, Sony uses much more assertive marketing strategies, has the exclusives, and now even gets Microsoft's own games. It's never been this easy for Sony.

Yes, not as quiet and definitely uglier but I agree, I have a PS5 Pro and the Series X has never been less important. I only keep it as Gamepass demo machine as I'd rather buy the games I really like.
I hugely prefer the feel, controller and exclusives of the PS5 so it's a no-brainer.

 

[Topher]

Welfare himself said Xbox series is at around 17m in the US. How then is 37m even possible worldwide? Xbox has barely sold anything in Japan and Europe, so where the heck is he getting that 20m from outside the US to get 37m worldwide? Just admit that you got it wrong!

Microsoft revealed 21 million units sold in July 2023. That was across 32 months from launch. 25 months have passed since July 2023 so for Xbox to be at 37 million would mean there has barely been any dip in units sold per month since then. 656k vs 640k. That's a decrease of only 2.4%

So no.....I'm not getting this 37 million sold number either.

 

[viveks86]

"Anyone trying to bring up my estimates is pure ad hominem"

Who is welfare and why is he calling me an ad hominem?

 

[UltimaKilo]

Who said any of this prevents people like yourself from liking XSX or those games?

My point was that I don't understand why it prevents people like the person I was responding to, from enjoying them.

 

[Topher]

My point was that I don't understand why it prevents people like the person I was responding to, from enjoying them.

Hmm, ok. I didn't really get that from his post, but I'll butt out.

 

[GHG]

My point was that I don't understand why it prevents people like the person I was responding to, from enjoying them.

Have you ever thought that everyone else doesn't have to enjoy what you claim to enjoy?

Other people have made it clear as to why they don't want to interact with the console/ecosystem and they have every right to do so at their own discretion.

Just as it isn't wrong for you to enjoy whatever it is that you want to enjoy, it doesn't make it wrong for others to avoid whatever it is that they wish to avoid.

Unless you're attempting to conduct market research on behalf of Microsoft, I'm not understanding your line of questioning.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Gaf > internet >Gaf?

 

[viveks86]

Gaf > internet >Gaf?

Great. Now K KeplerL2 is renowned too? Soon he will abandon us to hang out with the crazies.

 

[reinking]

Great. Now K KeplerL2 is renowned too? Soon he will abandon us to hang out with the crazies.

We still have our insider HeisenbergFX4

 

[viveks86]

We still have our insider HeisenbergFX4

True. He's too old to change his ways...

 

[Ebrietas]

I always thought this console would barely top 30 million before being discontinued. Looks like I was right.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Tangentially related:

 

[mayham2199]

Tangentially related:

Jesus has it really been that long? Time is flying by. It feels like they raised prices at best 2 months ago.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Look, I cannot speak to those people you mention, but what does any of this matter? Does some random internet corporate shill make Indiana Jones, CoD or Oblivion less fun? Not for me and nor does it by releasing them multi-platform. Are Phil Spencer and Sara Bond inept and unqualified? Appears so and it's quite concerning they have not been laid off especially given a change in strategic vision for Xbox.

Tbh, I get it really. It's hard to invest into an ecosystem that is on shaky ground. Phil and co have lied and lied for years. How do I know my purchases won't be gone to the void, because Phil and co/nutella decided Hardware isn't worth it anymore? I gave up on Xbox. I still use my series x for old COD and gears. But that's it. It's basically my xbox 360 pro. It's not the same Xbox I grew up with. All my time is now invested into PC and then PS if i want a console platform.

 

[mayham2199]

Tbh, I get it really. It's hard to invest into an ecosystem that is on shaky ground. Phil and co have lied and lied for years. How do I know my purchases won't be gone to the void, because Phil and co/nutella decided Hardware isn't worth it anymore? I gave up on Xbox. I still use my series x for old COD and gears. But that's it. It's basically my xbox 360 pro. It's not the same Xbox I grew up with. All my time is now invested into PC and then PS if i want a console platform.

Yes I've said it before I love PS but if they were going through all this I'd be out. I don't like PC gaming so I'd be moving to Xbox. If Xbox was also on shaky ground then I guess I'd have to suck it up and just deal with PC gaming.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Yes I've said it before I love PS but if they were going through all this I'd be out. I don't like PC gaming so I'd be moving to Xbox. If Xbox was also on shaky ground then I guess I'd have to suck it up and just deal with PC gaming.

I like PS too. I had a PS2 as a kid alongside my 360. Had the PS2 at my grandmas house who didnt have wifi, and the 360 at my parents with internet for Xbox live lol.

 

[GHG]

Tangentially related:

The fact that she says it wouldn't feel so bad if Sony had already done the same speaks volumes about how these idiots think. The only thing that should matter is that the product that they like/want has increased their prices.

What a clown show.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Taking away exclusives will do that.

And this is the path Sony is choosing to follow them down.

Idiots.

 

[UltimaKilo]

Have you ever thought that everyone else doesn't have to enjoy what you claim to enjoy?

Other people have made it clear as to why they don't want to interact with the console/ecosystem and they have every right to do so at their own discretion.

Just as it isn't wrong for you to enjoy whatever it is that you want to enjoy, it doesn't make it wrong for others to avoid whatever it is that they wish to avoid.

Unless you're attempting to conduct market research on behalf of Microsoft, I'm not understanding your line of questioning.

Have I thought about it? Yes, clearly, which is the genesis of my posts in this thread. I really do not understand what you are trying to say, I at no point made any moral judgements about what people can like and not like, not sure where you got that from. I think you should re-read what I wrote.

Tbh, I get it really. It's hard to invest into an ecosystem that is on shaky ground. Phil and co have lied and lied for years. How do I know my purchases won't be gone to the void, because Phil and co/nutella decided Hardware isn't worth it anymore? I gave up on Xbox. I still use my series x for old COD and gears. But that's it. It's basically my xbox 360 pro. It's not the same Xbox I grew up with. All my time is now invested into PC and then PS if i want a console platform.

Do you mean you're worried that your digital games might suddenly stop working on the console?

 

[Fake]

Gaf > internet >Gaf?

NeoGaf board (via Reddit)

Journalism has died.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Have I thought about it? Yes, clearly, which is the genesis of my posts in this thread. I really do not understand what you are trying to say, I at no point made any moral judgements about what people can like and not like, not sure where you got that from. I think you should re-read what I wrote.

Do you mean you're worried that your digital games might suddenly stop working on the console?

More like my console stops working, and I'm confined to a old box for the rest of time. That will eventually all break. Kinda like PS3 games are right now. That aren't very stable on RPCS3.

 

[bender]

Oh Jesus, a bot.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The fact that he's getting defensive proves that he knows he's not being truthful. He tried to do sly one and got caught out.

True. I don't get why there is a need for being defensive and name-call Kepler in other forums.

It's nothing personal; it shouldn't be. Aren't you trying to find out what the number is? If any information provided by others help you get to the most accurate guesstimate, shouldn't you be happy that others contributed?

The only reason why someone would be pissed off - instead of being happy - is if he wants a specific number and the additional information is pulling him away from that data, not bringing it closer to it.

And if that's the case, then it's just a disingenuous, agenda-driven attempt - not a genuine effort to get to the most accurate number possible.

 

[Baemono]

Look, I cannot speak to those people you mention, but what does any of this matter? Does some random internet corporate shill make Indiana Jones, CoD or Oblivion less fun? Not for me and nor does it by releasing them multi-platform. Are Phil Spencer and Sara Bond inept and unqualified? Appears so and it's quite concerning they have not been laid off especially given a change in strategic vision for Xbox.

So basically I say « people are being called haters for fact-checking corporate PR » and your response to it is « but I like the console though »

 

[UltimaKilo]

So basically I say « people are being called haters for fact-checking corporate PR » and your response to it is « but I like the console though »

Misreading it completely. Fact checking is fine. What does that have to do with it?

 

[Panajev2001a]

The fact that she says it wouldn't feel so bad if Sony had already done the same speaks volumes about how these idiots think. The only thing that should matter is that the product that they like/want has increased their prices.

What a clown show.

These shows are there to do damage control and positive news boosting. The comment there feels completely in line with that … clown shows indeed.

 

[GHG]

Welfare come back darling, you need to update your twitter feed:

Lisa Su:

"Also, very strong results in our Semi-Custom or game console business, as well as in the Client and Graphics businesses. There is some softness in the PC market. But we had, for the last number of quarters, actually been shifting our mix to the higher end or the more premium segments of the PC market, and so that's where more of our exposure is. And we actually saw significant growth in our PC business sequentially as we started ramping our Ryzen 6000 notebooks."

Lisa Su again:

"Turning to our Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment. Revenue increased 88% year over year to $2.5 billion, driven by record server semi-custom and embedded processor sales. Semi-Custom sales grew by a significant double-digit percentage year over year based on strong demand for Sony and Microsoft consoles, as well as Valve's new Steam deck. Sales for this game console generation continued to outpace all prior generations, and we expect 2022 to be a record year for our Semi-Custom business."

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Q1 2022 Earnings Call Transcript | The Motley Fool

AMD earnings call for the period ending March 31, 2022.

www.fool.com

But wait, there's more:

"AMD expanded its leadership position in the gaming console space with the addition of Valve's Steam Deck™ gaming handheld, powered by AMD "Zen 2" architecture- based processors and AMD RDNA 2 architecture-based graphics."

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-6-9-amd-details-strategy-to-drive-next-phase-of-growth.html

 

[KeplerL2]

Welfare come back darling, you need to update your twitter feed:

Lisa Su:

"Also, very strong results in our Semi-Custom or game console business, as well as in the Client and Graphics businesses. There is some softness in the PC market. But we had, for the last number of quarters, actually been shifting our mix to the higher end or the more premium segments of the PC market, and so that's where more of our exposure is. And we actually saw significant growth in our PC business sequentially as we started ramping our Ryzen 6000 notebooks."

Lisa Su again:

"Turning to our Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment. Revenue increased 88% year over year to $2.5 billion, driven by record server semi-custom and embedded processor sales. Semi-Custom sales grew by a significant double-digit percentage year over year based on strong demand for Sony and Microsoft consoles, as well as Valve's new Steam deck. Sales for this game console generation continued to outpace all prior generations, and we expect 2022 to be a record year for our Semi-Custom business."

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Q1 2022 Earnings Call Transcript | The Motley Fool

AMD earnings call for the period ending March 31, 2022.

www.fool.com

But wait, there's more:

"AMD expanded its leadership position in the gaming console space with the addition of Valve's Steam Deck™ gaming handheld, powered by AMD "Zen 2" architecture- based processors and AMD RDNA 2 architecture-based graphics."

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-6-9-amd-details-strategy-to-drive-next-phase-of-growth.html

Interestingly I decided to check their financial statements regarding Z1 lineup and they do refer to it as a game console also: https://ir.amd.com/news-events/pres...-the-zen-4-lineup-into-handheld-game-consoles

 

[demigod]

True. I don't get why there is a need for being defensive and name-call Kepler in other forums.

It's nothing personal; it shouldn't be. Aren't you trying to find out what the number is? If any information provided by others help you get to the most accurate guesstimate, shouldn't you be happy that others contributed?

The only reason why someone would be pissed off - instead of being happy - is if he wants a specific number and the additional information is pulling him away from that data, not bringing it closer to it.

And if that's the case, then it's just a disingenuous, agenda-driven attempt - not a genuine effort to get to the most accurate number possible.

You know its bad when VGChartz of all places has the estimate closer than he does.

Welfare come back darling, you need to update your twitter feed:

Lisa Su:

"Also, very strong results in our Semi-Custom or game console business, as well as in the Client and Graphics businesses. There is some softness in the PC market. But we had, for the last number of quarters, actually been shifting our mix to the higher end or the more premium segments of the PC market, and so that's where more of our exposure is. And we actually saw significant growth in our PC business sequentially as we started ramping our Ryzen 6000 notebooks."

Lisa Su again:

"Turning to our Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment. Revenue increased 88% year over year to $2.5 billion, driven by record server semi-custom and embedded processor sales. Semi-Custom sales grew by a significant double-digit percentage year over year based on strong demand for Sony and Microsoft consoles, as well as Valve's new Steam deck. Sales for this game console generation continued to outpace all prior generations, and we expect 2022 to be a record year for our Semi-Custom business."

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Q1 2022 Earnings Call Transcript | The Motley Fool

AMD earnings call for the period ending March 31, 2022.

www.fool.com

But wait, there's more:

"AMD expanded its leadership position in the gaming console space with the addition of Valve's Steam Deck™ gaming handheld, powered by AMD "Zen 2" architecture- based processors and AMD RDNA 2 architecture-based graphics."

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-6-9-amd-details-strategy-to-drive-next-phase-of-growth.html

He's not backing down. In fact he doubled down on that 37M. Incoming 43M by 2027.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Welfare come back darling, you need to update your twitter feed:

Lisa Su:

"Also, very strong results in our Semi-Custom or game console business, as well as in the Client and Graphics businesses. There is some softness in the PC market. But we had, for the last number of quarters, actually been shifting our mix to the higher end or the more premium segments of the PC market, and so that's where more of our exposure is. And we actually saw significant growth in our PC business sequentially as we started ramping our Ryzen 6000 notebooks."

Lisa Su again:

"Turning to our Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment. Revenue increased 88% year over year to $2.5 billion, driven by record server semi-custom and embedded processor sales. Semi-Custom sales grew by a significant double-digit percentage year over year based on strong demand for Sony and Microsoft consoles, as well as Valve's new Steam deck. Sales for this game console generation continued to outpace all prior generations, and we expect 2022 to be a record year for our Semi-Custom business."

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Q1 2022 Earnings Call Transcript | The Motley Fool

AMD earnings call for the period ending March 31, 2022.

www.fool.com

But wait, there's more:

"AMD expanded its leadership position in the gaming console space with the addition of Valve's Steam Deck™ gaming handheld, powered by AMD "Zen 2" architecture- based processors and AMD RDNA 2 architecture-based graphics."

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-6-9-amd-details-strategy-to-drive-next-phase-of-growth.html

"For some reason" lol

 

[GHG]

He's not backing down. In fact he doubled down on that 37M. Incoming 43M by 2027.

43m?

Pfft, gotta be at least 100m man, total global domination.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

Interestingly I decided to check their financial statements regarding Z1 lineup and they do refer to it as a game console also: https://ir.amd.com/news-events/pres...-the-zen-4-lineup-into-handheld-game-consoles

So that 105 million includes PS5, XSS, XSX, Steam Deck, Rog Ally, Rog Ally X, Lenovo Legion Go S, Lenovo Legion and all PC handhelds except for the Intel ones and weird GPD win using laptop and Strix Halo AMD SoCs. Yeah, I am coming around to the view that XB is close to 30M and circling the drain this gen. How much did the OG Xbox sell? the XBS consoles might not even cross that benchmark.

 

[Pedro Motta]

Interestingly I decided to check their financial statements regarding Z1 lineup and they do refer to it as a game console also: https://ir.amd.com/news-events/pres...-the-zen-4-lineup-into-handheld-game-consoles

adamsapple

 

[Kumomeme]

Series X is a great console. Just sad to see them messing up their business strategy so completely and mismanaging their studios as well as their most important IP's. And their communication has been atrocious, even more so than we're used to. After launching good hardware they've done basically everything wrong.

they at great start of the generation with the announcement of the console.

they also has more first party studio than Sony too.

everything line up nicely..


then their botched their launched game, Series S announced, Phil Spencer running his mouth about not care about console sales, their studio unable release game within the ideal time frame, more and more stuff happened. here we are with the result.

most of it due to the Phil Spencer running his mouth, preach and promise false stuff left and right while having multiple strategy approach that conflicted with their existing plan.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Someone ask Lisa Su

 

[jm89]

Someone ask Lisa Su

Lisa Su:

"Also, very strong results in our Semi-Custom or game console business, as well as in the Client and Graphics businesses. There is some softness in the PC market. But we had, for the last number of quarters, actually been shifting our mix to the higher end or the more premium segments of the PC market, and so that's where more of our exposure is. And we actually saw significant growth in our PC business sequentially as we started ramping our Ryzen 6000 notebooks."

Lisa Su again:

"Turning to our Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment. Revenue increased 88% year over year to $2.5 billion, driven by record server semi-custom and embedded processor sales. Semi-Custom sales grew by a significant double-digit percentage year over year based on strong demand for Sony and Microsoft consoles, as well as Valve's new Steam deck. Sales for this game console generation continued to outpace all prior generations, and we expect 2022 to be a record year for our Semi-Custom business."

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Q1 2022 Earnings Call Transcript | The Motley Fool

AMD earnings call for the period ending March 31, 2022.

www.fool.com

But wait, there's more:

"AMD expanded its leadership position in the gaming console space with the addition of Valve's Steam Deck™ gaming handheld, powered by AMD "Zen 2" architecture- based processors and AMD RDNA 2 architecture-based graphics."

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-6-9-amd-details-strategy-to-drive-next-phase-of-growth.html

 

[gerth666]

True. I don't get why there is a need for being defensive and name-call Kepler in other forums.

It's nothing personal; it shouldn't be. Aren't you trying to find out what the number is? If any information provided by others help you get to the most accurate guesstimate, shouldn't you be happy that others contributed?

The only reason why someone would be pissed off - instead of being happy - is if he wants a specific number and the additional information is pulling him away from that data, not bringing it closer to it.

And if that's the case, then it's just a disingenuous, agenda-driven attempt - not a genuine effort to get to the most accurate number possible.

What do you get out of purposely inflating Xbox numbers through?
I think he's come to the numbers he legit thinks is accurate. I think he's wrong myself.
I remember welfare on this forum years ago, and he's always been active and has an interest in sales and industry news

 

[RAIDEN1]

 

[Ar¢tos]

.

What do you get out of purposely inflating Xbox numbers through?
I think he's come to the numbers he legit thinks is accurate. I think he's wrong myself.
I remember welfare on this forum years ago, and he's always been active and has an interest in sales and industry news

(perception of) Sales numbers might have a small impact on the value of shares. Otherwise I don't see why, they are losing by more than half either way.

 

[Baemono]

What do you get out of purposely inflating Xbox numbers through?

No reason to follow sales (his whole purpose) if they are super dire

 

[gerth666]

.

(perception of) Sales numbers might have a small impact on the value of shares. Otherwise I don't see why, they are losing by more than half either way.

I don't think welfare is a Microsoft shareholder, and I don't think he's some shill or anything.
Only thing on the line for him is his reputation as an amatuer sales tracker, which is why he's doggedly sticking to his numbers.
Nothing insidious is what I'm saying.

 

[adamsapple]

adamsapple

?

When did I say otherwise?