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[SportsFan581]

So ... the same numbers?

I'm pretty sure both Xbox and PS would have shaved some weeks off here if production was able to keep up with demand in the first 12 months or so.

Some of the posts in this thread are truly hilarious given the fact that PS5 was 23 weeks slower to reach this milestone than PS4. I guess that extra week makes all the difference in the world of "concern".

 

[Woopah]

It's all divisible by 6. What could this mean???

The numbers Mason!

Are Dring and gamesindustry MS PR mouth? It should have never being compared to the Switch which had less holiday sales in the first place.

Right? Also, those two consoles aren't even direct competitor.

Either compare it with a PS5 (if you want to compare it with direct competitors, launching in the same time frame), or compare it with Xbox One (the last console launched by the same company).

Wouldn't a comparison to the other Xbox consoles be more apt?

Switch is one of the Series' big competitors. In the full article they compare it to other Xbox platforms and the PS5.

 

[Luigi Mario]

I'm also curious about what happened to the person that claimed Xbox Series consoles were already at over 20 million sold worldwide due to excellent US and UK results.

 

[Nothing1234]

I know PS3 had a slow start but even so I'm surprised at og Xbox reaching the 2 million mark first over there.

PS3 matched PS5

 

[Heisenberg007]

I'm pretty sure both Xbox and PS would have shaved some weeks off here if production was able to keep up with demand in the first 12 months or so.

Some of the posts in this thread are truly hilarious given the fact that PS5 was 23 weeks slower to reach this milestone than PS4. I guess that extra week makes all the difference in the world of "concern".

PS5 was severely short in supply but Xbox never seriously was. Especially the Series S was almost always available.

Supply was exceeding demand so much that Series S sold at a discounted price for $229 for many months.

 

[SlimySnake]

Surprising considering there was no real shortage like there was for PS5. I guess we will never really know.

Year 3-4 sales will offer a better picture.

 

[SportsFan581]

@ Heisenberg007 XSX was selling out in 20 or 30 minutes for a quite a while. That certainly equates to some unfulfilled demand there.

 

[MOTM]

Imagine the numbers without production constraints.

Shhh only works for Sony, Nintendo, Sega, Panasonic, Steam Deck, Ouya, anybody producing anything with a chip in it.

MS can't have production constraints, the people on GAF told me so.

 

[Nothing1234]

@ Heisenberg007 XSX was selling out in 20 or 30 minutes for a quite a while. That certainly equates to some unfulfilled demand there.

The Series X is readily available now and the The Series S has been heavily discounted we are not seeing the huge boosts in sales for the Series consoles like we are for the PS5 in the UK.

 

[DonJimbo]

Holy Shit Phil do something

 

[SportsFan581]

The Series X is readily available now and the The Series S has been heavily discounted we are not seeing the huge boosts in sales for the Series consoles like we are for the PS5 in the UK.

Going a year without major first-party releases will do that to you. Especially since the first-party drought on X1 was so well documented. That's the biggest thing they need to correct, obviously.

 

[jm89]

@ Heisenberg007 XSX was selling out in 20 or 30 minutes for a quite a while. That certainly equates to some unfulfilled demand there.

Both xss and xsx was available very easily for pretty much all of 2022 in the uk.

 

[feynoob]

The Series X is readily available now and the The Series S has been heavily discounted we are not seeing the huge boosts in sales for the Series consoles like we are for the PS5 in the UK.

Discount is useless without first party games.

XBS have been out of AAA games for 1 year.

Until they put out those AAA games, their discount is useless.

 

[Nothing1234]

Discount is useless without first party games.

XBS have been out of AAA games for 1 year.

Until they put out those AAA games, their discount is useless.

Looks at Hogwarts Legacy.

 

[SportsFan581]

Both xss and xsx was available very easily for pretty much all of 2022 in the uk.

Good thing I was talking about the first 12 months after launch then.

 

[Nothing1234]

Going a year without major first-party releases will do that to you. Especially since the first-party drought on X1 was so well documented. That's the biggest thing they need to correct, obviously.

So supply for Series consoles is sorted now in the UK?

 

[feynoob]

Looks at Hogwarts Legacy.

It's not a first party games.

 

[jm89]

Good thing I was talking about the first 12 months after launch then.

Lol great first 12 months, lets forget everything after it....

 

[Nothing1234]

It's not a first party games.

Do you think people only buy consoles for 1st party AAA?

 

[crackajack]

Remember the Xbox One came off the back of the Xbox 360, people where excited for the next installment, it was coming off the back of an incredibly well received product.

Do I misremember it, but didn't the 360 gen already put too much focus on Kinect, which did sell well but was disliked by the early adopters of the platforms, the cod gears dudebros? Also while Sony launched Journey and TLoU in the last years, MS did not release much at the end. The early start, network abilities and better third party games advantage was practically lost later in the gen, hence it got so close worldwide and momentum was already not in their favor even before XBone was even revealed.
Imho I would have thought any goodwill 360 had, should have been already used up prior the launch of Xbone, especially with the PR disaster it was right from the start. It selling better than the XSX family feels bonkers to me. Unless thousands moved from Xbone to PC, whcih would not hurt MS much, or many felt burned with that previous gen and XBX now pays the price, which would hurt MS.
I guess it either will take the entire gen to repair it, or maybe start to gain some momentum with Starfield and hopefully also other titles that all don't redfall. Selling below Xbone would be weird even when releasing nothing great from now on.

 

[feynoob]

Do you think people only buy consoles for 1st party AAA?

If you are going to that route, then look who had the marketing for the game.

 

[SportsFan581]

Discount is useless without first party games.

XBS have been out of AAA games for 1 year.

Until they put out those AAA games, their discount is useless.

Absolutely. When you look at AAA third-party games from the perspective of new console buyers, they can get that on both. Thus the decision still comes down to I can get the major third-parties and the first-parties of the console I choose, when the cupboard is bare over on one side it is definitely going to swing sales.

 

[jm89]

Discount is useless without first party games.

XBS have been out of AAA games for 1 year.

Until they put out those AAA games, their discount is useless.

Redfall is AAA.....

 

[Pedro Motta]

The power of VRR.

 

[Nothing1234]

If you are going to that route, then look who had the marketing for the game.

So people who had an Xbox One would buy a PS5 because of the marketing for Hogwarts Legacy?

 

[feynoob]

Redfall is AAA.....

Arkane games don't sell that much. So they are out of equations.

 

[Ronin_7]

What a fooking disaster.

 

[jm89]

Arkane games don't sell that much. So they are out of equations.

You better start getting that excuse ready for the other studios then.

 

[cireza]

How is this bad ? Looks pretty good to me.

The initial tweet didn't have that doom & gloom tone by the way.

 

[feynoob]

So people who had an Xbox One would buy a PS5 because of the marketing for Hogwarts Legacy?

No, people are not going to buy xbs for that game alone.
The logo marketing is there to deceive regular people in to buying your console. And since MS has no marketing rights, they can't advertise xss for that game.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Obviously around here, this is cause for great concern, but a less pessimistic take might be that given the supply constraints on Series consoles, outpacing the Switch doesn't seem like the worst place in the world. The below article leads with this being faster than Nintendo's console and notes "It's worth noting that the Xbox Series S and X, in particular the X model, has suffered from significant stock issues caused by component shortages during the first two years on the market." But there are console wars to be fought, I guess.

Fastest-Selling Consoles To 2m (GfK data)

Pos	Platform	Release Year	Launch Price	Weeks to 2m	Revenue at 2m
1	Nintendo Wii	2006	£180	57	£358m
2	PS2	2000	£299	60	£469m
3	PS4	2013	£375	75	£700m
4	PS5	2020	£425	98	£919m
4	PS3	2007	£318	98	£638m
6	Xbox One	2013	£450	104	£726m
7	Xbox 360	2005	£254	110	£507m
8	PlayStation 1	1995	£299	114	£179m
9	Xbox Series S and X	2020	£386	128	£696m
10	Nintendo Switch	2017	£285	140	£279m
11	Xbox	2002	£295	162	£280m

Xbox Series S and X hit 2m sales in the UK, 12 weeks faster than Nintendo Switch

Microsoft hit two million sales of Xbox Series S and X after 128 weeks

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[feynoob]

You better start getting that excuse ready for the other studios then.

It's not excuse.
Arkane generally suffer from poor sales, because their games are niche.

 

[Nothing1234]

Arkane games don't sell that much. So they are out of equations.

Starfield then.

 

[feynoob]

Starfield then.

If that game doesn't move their consoles, then there is a big issue for them.

 

[gothmog]

Going a year without major first-party releases will do that to you. Especially since the first-party drought on X1 was so well documented. That's the biggest thing they need to correct, obviously.

Going a year without major first-party releases hurts. Also breaking that drought with Redfall, saying that great games won't help you, and saying that losing the previous generation probably doomed you doesn't help either. It will be interesting to see if this showcase even moves the sales needle at all.

 

[feynoob]

Going a year without major first-party releases hurts. Also breaking that drought with Redfall, saying that great games won't help you, and saying that losing the previous generation probably doomed you doesn't help either. It will be interesting to see if this showcase even moves the sales needle at all.

It needs to be 11/10.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Going a year without major first-party releases hurts. Also breaking that drought with Redfall, saying that great games won't help you, and saying that losing the previous generation probably doomed you doesn't help either. It will be interesting to see if this showcase even moves the sales needle at all.

I don't see why it would, people won't buy a console in June to play a game in September. If the showcase generates enough positive press (and they'll need to announce release dates for games that look great to really do that) then presumably the sales will pick up a little, but nothing like what will happen if Starfield launches to great acclaim.

 

[gothmog]

It needs to be 11/10.

I'm actually curious if we'll see the normal hyperbolic Xbox enthusiasm by the community or a more conservative "we've heard this all before" effect during the showcase.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Shhh only works for Sony, Nintendo, Sega, Panasonic, Steam Deck, Ouya, anybody producing anything with a chip in it.

MS can't have production constraints, the people on GAF told me so.

 

[STARSBarry]

Do I misremember it, but didn't the 360 gen already put too much focus on Kinect, which did sell well but was disliked by the early adopters of the platforms, the cod gears dudebros? Also while Sony launched Journey and TLoU in the last years, MS did not release much at the end. The early start, network abilities and better third party games advantage was practically lost later in the gen, hence it got so close worldwide and momentum was already not in their favor even before XBone was even revealed.
Imho I would have thought any goodwill 360 had, should have been already used up prior the launch of Xbone, especially with the PR disaster it was right from the start. It selling better than the XSX family feels bonkers to me. Unless thousands moved from Xbone to PC, whcih would not hurt MS much, or many felt burned with that previous gen and XBX now pays the price, which would hurt MS.
I guess it either will take the entire gen to repair it, or maybe start to gain some momentum with Starfield and hopefully also other titles that all don't redfall. Selling below Xbone would be weird even when releasing nothing great from now on.

Keep in mind most of the concerns and goodwill being cashed in would only be for people like us who watch gaming news and saw the TV TV TV TV live streams.

a majority of players arnt like that, where an enthusiast forum and such have an enthusiasts perspective. The Kinect was a failure for gamers, but plenty of regular people enjoyed it as long as they didn't take it too seriously, in the same way people just kept playing Wii Sports over and over for Wii.

As such it took the One generation for all that good will from the prior generation to be cashed in.

 

[feynoob]

I'm actually curious if we'll see the normal hyperbolic Xbox enthusiasm by the community or a more conservative "we've heard this all before" effect during the showcase.

It depends on the way they do their showcase.
Last year, they fucked up by saying within 12 month.

People are too critical at this point.

 

[solidus12]

 

[lh032]

 

[gothmog]

It depends on the way they do their showcase.
Last year, they fucked up by saying within 12 month.

People are too critical at this point.

Not sure what you mean. There was no way to know they fucked up with the 12 month thing until like 8-10 months later when you realize they were not going to hit the mark.

 

[Luigi Mario]

Holy Shit Phil do something

 

[Adam_802]

Of course OP frames it that way lol

 

[PeteBull]

Time to drop kinect again, phil lvl of genuity/sincerenity is kept all the way from that interview in first half of 2013 to today so first half of 2023, 10years streak xD

 

[feynoob]

Not sure what you mean. There was no way to know they fucked up with the 12 month thing until like 8-10 months later when you realize they were not going to hit the mark.

They were patting themselves, when they announced those dates.
Had they not done that, people will have been less tolerable.

 

[T_T]

Of course OP frames it that way lol

That should have been the way to be framed in the article as well. Comparing it to the Switch, which is a secondary competitor and had one less holiday season, is pretty stupid. They also left out the PS3 in the table, which sits next to the PS5.

 

[gothmog]

They were patting themselves, when they announced those dates.
Had they not done that, people will have been less tolerable.

I highly doubt people are going to be less critical if they don't announce target dates/quarters at the showcase.