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[Lumyst]

Cool! Xenoblade's a huge 70+hr JRPG with a huge world, it's neat that Nintendo are using the New 3DS to try out putting such a game on their handheld device. I'll be interested in seeing how I take to a more involved game such as Xenoblade being played on a handheld (if the US does get the opportunity). I tended to think of portable consoles as excelling with 2D gameplay, but as the portable consoles increased in hardware power and with Japan leaning towards portables and mobile devices, I suppose it's time to see what it's like to play a longer and deeper console-suited game on a handheld. (Oh and the grass .gif, like I said, it's a 70+hr game, there's more to the game than a one second zoom-in onto Shulk's face from above By the 10th hour you should already get over those kinds of things that are necessary to create that huge world you're exploring)

 

[freakzilla3000]

This is BIG. Looks like I will be buying yet another Nintendo 3DS in the "New 3DS" along with this game.

 

[MarcoZombieCannon]

I wonder if the new 3ds version will actually have 3D in the overworld

It better. I'm expecting better performance than X/Y as well, because that shit was awful.

 

[wrowa]

Question is how expensive the 8GB cards are to manufacture, though. It's possible that Nintendo could use them, but won't use them due to costs issues.

I wonder who's in charge of developing the port. We haven't heard about that so far, have we? Monolith Tokyo, Monolith Kyoto or maybe it's even outsourced to a different company?

 

[Soroc]

I think the original Xenoblade sold just "okay" in japan and I think this new3ds port is more to get the portable centric people in Japan involved with the series since it seems like this is an IP Nintendo wants to grow.

Yeah I have no problem with it being ported to 3DS. I do think its a good thing but its also a missed opportunity to help bolster your home console with a game that was popularized on the Wii.

I'm still waiting for synergistic Nintendo but right now its like both hardware arms of the company are still independent.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Question is how expensive the 8GB cards are to manufacture, though. It's possible that Nintendo could use them, but won't use them due to costs issues.

I wonder who's in charge of developing the port. We haven't heard about that so far, have we? Monolith Tokyo, Monolith Kyoto or maybe it's even outsourced to a different company?

Monolith Kyoto isn't a development studio.

 

[mario_O]

I've already played Xenoblade and on Dolphin. The idea of re-playing it at 240p with those textures, frame rate...no thanks!
And the hardware, well I already have the circle pad pro so the second slider and buttons dont sound too exciting to me, and I'm not buying a new console for faster RAM and a slightly? better CPU. But if you don't own 3DS I guess it's a good choice.

 

[hongcha]

In the Nintendo direct (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFEU4t_Pm8) Iwata says the game will be released in 2015. Might want to add that to the OP.

 

[inner-G]

And the hardware, well I already have the circle pad pro so the second slider and buttons dont sound too exciting to me, and I'm not buying a new console for faster RAM and a slightly? better CPU. But if you don't own 3DS I guess it's a good choice.

I have an XL and I'm upgrading.

C-stick, spec bumps, exclusive games and BETTER 3D? You crazy

 

[thereisnoif]

Let's see how much the market on the current game dips!

 

[Elfforkusu]

Hope they get the framerate sorted out.

The game is so good, the allure of playing it on portable will likely be too much for me to resist...

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

this thread has turned in one of the worst I've ever read in neogaf.

same here.

why does Nintendo seem to bring out the worst in some people?

 

[JoJoSono]

Just trade in your old 3DS.

Yeah money just grows on trees. Just trade in and spend money on a new system. No big deal.

 

[GayForMaster]

I can't say I'm too excited about playing a port of this game on such a small screen. Also, to be honest, the game looks like it has really bad performance and jaggies.

 

[Nostremitus]

Yeah money just grows on trees. Just trade in and spend money on a new system. No big deal.

Well, to be fair, being a gamer means you have a certain amount of disposable income, otherwise you wouldn't be one. If the cost converts from yen to USD 1:1, that means the larger, more expensive version only costs as much as buying three games for a home console, so there's that...

 

[leroidys]

Yeah money just grows on trees. Just trade in and spend money on a new system. No big deal.

GBA got one original gen and one remake gen, just like 3DS. What's the big deal?

Anyway, I highly doubt TPC would do that. See: B&W2.

 

[chadboban]

In the Nintendo direct (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFEU4t_Pm8) Iwata says the game will be released in 2015. Might want to add that to the OP.

Cool, so that means that they have time to polish it up and get the frame rate sorted. Man I can't wait to finally upgrade my 3DS.

 

[wmlk]

Yeah money just grows on trees. Just trade in and spend money on a new system. No big deal.

Didn't you buy a 3DS to play Pokémon anyway? What are you crying about?
Seriously. Just trade in the new system to save some money, and buy the newer system with a premium. It's like every other system when you break it down like that. No big deal.

And Game Freak wouldn't jeopardize their whole userbase like that anyway.

 

[bon]

This is a nice surprise. Replaying Xenoblade on a handheld sounds good.

 

[PKrockin]

Didn't you buy a 3DS to play Pokémon anyway? What are you crying about?
Seriously. Just trade in the new system to save some money, and buy the newer system with a premium. It's like every other system when you break it down like that. No big deal.

And Game Freak wouldn't jeopardize their whole userbase like that anyway.

Well, except you lose all your digital games.

 

[truestatic]

Well, except you lose all your digital games.

My understanding is most retailers will allow you to do the system transfer and still take advantage of the trade-in offer.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Well, except you lose all your digital games.

Gamestop lets you do transfers in store. Still annoying but not the worst.

 

[Nostremitus]

Well, except you lose all your digital games.

Can you use your phone as a hotspot?

 

[JoJoSono]

Didn't you buy a 3DS to play Pokémon anyway? What are you crying about?

Huh? No I hate Pokemon. Crying? No, I just find the notion that oh yeah you should just casually spend a $200 whenever these things come out pretty funny. Yeah it's no problem, just buy the system.

Seriously. Just trade in the new system to save some money, and buy the newer system with a premium. It's like every other system when you break it down like that. No big deal.

No, I don't trade in my systems. I like to keep them because I'll still play old games. So I'm not sure how that's like every system? I don't actually buy revisions, when I buy a system I like that system to survive me the entire lifespan of the system, so yeah it's kind of a big deal to me. This is the first Nintendo handheld I bought. Guess I won't make that mistake again.

Yeah I would hope GF wouldn't do that, but then again I didn't think a future 3ds revision would introduce the fact that only certain games would work on it either.

 

[Nostremitus]

I didn't think a future 3ds revision would introduce the fact that only certain games would work on it either.

Every Nintendo handheld (minus the GBA) has had such a revision.

GB-GBC GBA-GBA SP (some later games were practically unplayable without the backlit screen) DS-DSi and now 3DS-N3DS

 

[truestatic]

Huh? No I hate Pokemon. Crying? No, I just find the notion that oh yeah you should just casually spend a $200 whenever these things come out pretty funny. Yeah it's no problem, just buy the system.

No, I don't trade in my systems. I like to keep them because I'll still play old games. So I'm not sure how that's like every system? I don't actually buy revisions, when I buy a system I like that system to survive me the entire lifespan of the system, so yeah it's kind of a big deal to me.

Yeah I would hope GF wouldn't do that, but then again I didn't think a future 3ds revision would introduce the fact that only certain games would work on it either.

Despite my opposite reception of the reveal, I definitely understand you feeling shafted about it. The one thing I will say for a trade in, in this case, though, is that there's no disadvantage that I can see here. You won't lose access to your ability to play old 3DS or DS games on your original 3DS by trading up.

At any rate, I don't see them locking you and what is likely to remain the vast majority of 3DS owners out of very many new titles.

Every Nintendo handheld (minus the GBA) has had such a revision.

GB-GBC GBA-GBA SP (some later games were practically unplayable without the backlit screen) DS-DSi and now 3DS-N3DS

As others have pointed out, DSi exclusives were footnotes, GBA SP had no exclusives even if it may have been a better playing experience, and GBC was nine years later. More of a generational leap over Gameboy than an incremental jump, in that light. I don't think that these are really perfect analogies. This is the first time, I think, that mid-generation hardware refresh has been this drastically different. To find that your hardware isn't receiving full support after only three years is fine reason to be disappointed.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, the thread just exploded, but anyways:

I never played the game and just looked at some footage on YouTube. During the battles there´s a ton of stuff going on, with many small teammates and enemies running around and numbers popping up -

- not even talking about worldsize and framerate performance here, but how are you´re supposed to even properly make out what´s going on with a resolution of 400x240 pixels? Even Monster Hunter was really pushing the limits for me, and that game had massive monsters filling the screen.

Other titles like Mario 3D Land have a really zoomed-in view compared to Mario Galaxy or 3D World. Fonts generally have to be rather big on the screen to be comfortably readable.

I´m sorry, but I´m highly sceptical how good this is going to play - and I say that as somebody who played 40 hours or MHP3rd with the claw on a PSP. I mean, I absolutely agree that long RPG-type games are perfect for handhelds - I would NEVER play games like Etrian Odyssey or Disgaea on a console, but love them on handhelds - but this one here seems to be really pushing it.

But, again, I haven´t actually played the game, am I completely getting this wrong? Resolution is easily the biggest gripe I have with my XL, which I otherwise love.

Monster Hunter relies a lot more on very closely reading the situation. Xenoblade isn't an action game where you have to carefully monitor your enemy's movements to interpret deadly attacks. It's a fairly easy JRPG with combat more akin to World of Warcraft. That you can make out the positioning of your enemies, yourself, your allies, and the various UI elements that indicate enemy status and your own ability cooldowns is more than sufficient. Even if the game looked a little ugly, it all looked very playable. I think it'll work just fine.

I am very curious to see how they'll compress the UI in terms of inventory screens and such, to improve usability on a lower resolution screen.

 

[truestatic]

Pardon the double post.

 

[magnetic]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, the thread just exploded, but anyways:

I never played the game and just looked at some footage on YouTube. During the battles there´s a ton of stuff going on, with many small teammates and enemies running around and numbers popping up -

- not even talking about worldsize and framerate performance here, but how are you´re supposed to even properly SEE what´s going on with a resolution of 400x240 pixels? Even Monster Hunter was really pushing the limits for me, and that game had massive monsters filling the screen.

Other titles like Mario 3D Land have a really zoomed-in view compared to Mario Galaxy or 3D World. Fonts generally have to be rather big on the screen to be comfortably readable.

I´m sorry, but I´m highly sceptical how good this is going to play - and I say that as somebody who played 40 hours of MHP3rd with the claw on a PSP. I mean, I absolutely agree that long RPG-type games are perfect for handhelds - I would NEVER play games like Etrian Odyssey or Disgaea on a console, but love them on handhelds - but this one here seems to be really pushing it.

But, again, I haven´t actually played the game, am I completely getting this wrong? Resolution is easily the biggest gripe I have with my XL, which I otherwise love. This game on such a lowres screen sounds like a recipe for eyestrain headaches to me.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

I've already played Xenoblade and on Dolphin. The idea of re-playing it at 240p with those textures, frame rate...no thanks!
And the hardware, well I already have the circle pad pro so the second slider and buttons dont sound too exciting to me, and I'm not buying a new console for faster RAM and a slightly? better CPU. But if you don't own 3DS I guess it's a good choice.

What about the eye tracking for not losing the 3d effect?

 

[wmlk]

Huh? No I hate Pokemon. Crying? No, I just find the notion that oh yeah you should just casually spend a $200 whenever these things come out pretty funny. Yeah it's no problem, just buy the system.

No, I don't trade in my systems. I like to keep them because I'll still play old games. So I'm not sure how that's like every system? I don't actually buy revisions, when I buy a system I like that system to survive me the entire lifespan of the system, so yeah it's kind of a big deal to me. This is the first Nintendo handheld I bought. Guess I won't make that mistake again.

Yeah I would hope GF wouldn't do that, but then again I didn't think a future 3ds revision would introduce the fact that only certain games would work on it either.

After trading in your old system, you can buy the new system for cheap.
You can still play your old games with the new system. I feel like you're misunderstanding this.

 

[magnetic]

Even if the game looked a little ugly, it all looked very playable. I think it'll work just fine.

I am very curious to see how they'll compress the UI in terms of inventory screens and such, to improve usability on a lower resolution screen.

Okay, thanks! Sounds interesting, I´ll keep an eye on that game!

 

[Nostremitus]

As others have pointed out, DSi exclusives were footnotes, GBA SP had no exclusives even if it may have been a better playing experience, and GBC was nine years later. More of a generational leap over Gameboy than an incremental jump, in that light. I don't think that these are really perfect analogies. This is the first time, I think, that mid-generation hardware refresh has been this drastically different. To find that your hardware isn't receiving full support after only three years is fine reason to be disappointed.

Just because the DSi didn't take off like Nintendo wanted, that doesn't mean that this is any different. The original DS owners were completely locked out of the eShop compared to those who bought a DSi. That's a pretty substantial thing despite the fact that consumers didn't flock to it. Nintendo learned a valuable lesson with the DSi and are now actually acting on that lesson by releasing something people actually want that can use the benefits of the revised handheld.

Also, I'm not sure why you felt the need to reiterate my point about the GBA back to me unless you're posting an argument without reading the post you're responding to...

 

[DevilFox]

Oh, wow. A 60+ hours JRPG on a small, shitty screen.
I'll keep my Wii version, thanks.

 

[PotionBleue]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, the thread just exploded, but anyways:

I never played the game and just looked at some footage on YouTube. During the battles there´s a ton of stuff going on, with many small teammates and enemies running around and numbers popping up -

- not even talking about worldsize and framerate performance here, but how are you´re supposed to even properly SEE what´s going on with a resolution of 400x240 pixels? Even Monster Hunter was really pushing the limits for me, and that game had massive monsters filling the screen

The advantage of the DS/3DS is that there's a second screen where developers can put information on in order to alleviate the upper screen's HUD.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

I´m sorry, but I´m highly sceptical how good this is going to play - and I say that as somebody who played 40 hours of MHP3rd with the claw on a PSP. I mean, I absolutely agree that long RPG-type games are perfect for handhelds - I would NEVER play games like Etrian Odyssey or Disgaea on a console, but love them on handhelds - but this one here seems to be really pushing it.

But, again, I haven´t actually played the game, am I completely getting this wrong? Resolution is easily the biggest gripe I have with my XL, which I otherwise love. This game on such a lowres screen sounds like a recipe for eyestrain headaches to me.

Xenoblade is already lowres so viewing it on the 3ds will make it look great!

Can't wait to check out guar plains in 3d

 

[truestatic]

Just because the DSi didn't take off like Nintendo wanted, that doesn't mean that this is any different. The original DS owners were completely locked out of the eShop compared to those who bought a DSi. That's a pretty substantial thing despite the fact that consumers didn't flock to it. Nintendo learned a valuable lesson with the DSi and are now actually acting on that lesson by releasing something people actually want that can use the benefits of the revised handheld.

Also, I'm not sure why you felt the need to reiterate my point about the GBA back to me unless you're posting an argument without reading the post you're responding to...

I was disagreeing that the GBA to GBA SP was a strong point in your argument's favour. Sorry for being unclear.

The DSi thing is a difference of degrees. When the N3DS is announced out of the gate with this big of an exclusive, it's bound to raise some eyebrows. It'll be interesting to see if there are many exclusives of this scale to follow.

 

[Nostremitus]

I was disagreeing that the GBA to GBA SP was a strong point in your argument's favour. Sorry for being unclear.

The DSi thing is a difference of degrees. When the N3DS is announced out of the gate with this big of an exclusive, it's bound to raise some eyebrows. It'll be interesting to see if there are many exclusives of this scale to follow.

I agreed that the GBA wasn't a strong point as well, I said as much in my post.

I was speaking from a hardware/feature side of things. The DSi was just as large, if not larger upgrade as the N3DS in that regard. I'm happy to see that Nintendo will actually support it this time. I upgraded from my 3DS Phat to the DSi when it came out and was disappointed that they didn't release any major games that took advantage of it's extra grunt. They needed to show that they learned from that mistake or people like me wouldn't be interested in the N3DS.

 

[chadboban]

Huh? No I hate Pokemon. Crying? No, I just find the notion that oh yeah you should just casually spend a $200 whenever these things come out pretty funny. Yeah it's no problem, just buy the system.

No, I don't trade in my systems. I like to keep them because I'll still play old games. So I'm not sure how that's like every system? I don't actually buy revisions, when I buy a system I like that system to survive me the entire lifespan of the system, so yeah it's kind of a big deal to me. This is the first Nintendo handheld I bought. Guess I won't make that mistake again.

Yeah I would hope GF wouldn't do that, but then again I didn't think a future 3ds revision would introduce the fact that only certain games would work on it either.

You do realize that this new 3DS will still play all of your old 3ds games and even old ds games right?

 

[TheRedSnifit]

I stuck through with my vanilla 3DS for two years without buying an XL, and I've finally been rewarded. Who's laughing now, soon-to-be triple-dippers?

 

[Chance Hale]

I stuck through with my vanilla 3DS for two years without buying an XL, and I've finally been rewarded. Who's laughing now, soon-to-be triple-dippers?

Oh well, it'll get me to platinum Imagine it'll be under 200 bucks too so it's not really a big deal.

 

[JoJoSono]

You do realize that this new 3DS will still play all of your old 3ds games and even old ds games right?

Yes, I thought the posters point was that you should trade in all your systems for the new version. I've never traded in a system.

Either way, it dosen't matter. I don't like it, but it's not like I can stop it so there's no point in complaining. I very much doubt that 3rd parties will make exclusive games just for the new 3ds. If they do I hope it's nothing I want or I guess I'll just be shit out of luck. Nintendo will probably put out some of thier own exclusive games for the system, but I don't buy Nintendo games sans stuff like Xenoblade so I perhaps it wont affect me. It's a shame that I'll miss out on a portable Xenoblade, but I already played the game. I don't really want to spend more money on a system I already own and Xenoblade's not worth it.

I guess it's good for people who want this thing, but I hope those who stick to thier 3ds don't get shafted that much.

 

[Sami+]

3DS screens and videos always look like garbage on the internet. Much better when you get it in front of you.

Not really "better", just less noticeable awful because it's displayed on a tiny screen at 240p. That's why stuff looks a lot more jagged on the XL screen. Going between it and a Vita or smartphone is really night and day.

 

[Parakeetman]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAW TIME TO BUY A 3RD 3DS!

Orz

D:

 

[Tathanen]

but I don't buy Nintendo games sans stuff like Xenoblade so I perhaps it wont affect me.

Today I learned that there are people who buy Nintendo hardware but not Nintendo games.

 

[Finalow]

This is really the only bad looking shot in the trailer, all the other shots look much closer to the Wii version.

lol, not really. the Wii version is ugly but not that ugly.

I remember when people were clammoring about how games like SM3DWorld, Wonderful 101, Hyrule Warriors, etc. looked like shit during their reveal trailers. Then when the games actually released "Omg this doesn't look anything like the reveal!" No shit.

Case in point.

I don't remember it, and I didn't think that. also those are not 3DS games.

come on lol

I'm not expecting a miracle but the final version is at least guaranteed to look better than it does right now.

happened to Hyrule Warriors, for instance. don't be so quick to assume one extreme, there's always the middle.

it's guaranteed because it happened (or so people are claiming) with a couple of Wii U games? Uh okey.
again, if you want to believe that it's going to look much better than that, be my guest. we'll see when the game is out, I guess.

 

[LQX]

I've been contemplating all week if I should buy this for the Wii to play on my Wii U, but I will now wait to see if they do a bundle with the new 3DS and if they do I will jump for sure.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

lol, not really. the Wii version is ugly but not that ugly.

It's the same kinda ugly.

Look at the comparison vid.

 

[batbeg]

This thread is cute. This looks fucking dope as shit and will probably be the only way I ever finish playing the game, so I can't wait. As a launch 3DS owner I've been waiting a long time to buy an XL, so now I just obviously have to get a New XL.

 

[JoJoSono]

Today I learned that there are people who buy Nintendo hardware but not Nintendo games.

Bravely Default, Atlus' stuff like EO and SMT4, Shinobi 3DS, and KH DDS among others are pretty good. I own Fire Emblem and Pokemon Y, but those are the only Nintendo games I have for the system and that's more because they are jrpgs or related to that genre. The only Nintendo Wii games I own are of course the operation rainfall games and Sin and Punishment 2. Things beyond thier norm you could say. GCN is a Capcom box as far as I'm concerned. Don't really like Nintendo games.

 

[ohlawd]

it's guaranteed because it happened (or so people are claiming) with a couple of Wii U games? Uh okey.
again, if you want to believe that it's going to look much better than that, be my guest. we'll see when the game is out, I guess.

work with me here.

is it really unfathomable that the game, as it stands, will see improvements? I'm not being obtuse here.