DeepEnigma
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If he finds personal value beyond just monetary measurement, then how?
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Yeah, at $700 the PS5 Pro is expensive for a console, but I spent more than double that on my GPU alone
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TxKnight7
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"Yeah, at $700 the PS5 Pro is expensive for a console, but I spent more than double that on my GPU alone"
Yeah, at $700 the PS5 Pro is expensive for a console, but I spent more than double that on my GPU alone
"Just get a gaming PC instead" isn't good advice for everyone.www.pcgamer.com
Yeah...
PS5 pro = 1000$ in canada
Series X = 500$
Switch = 400$
All = 1900$ ?
this PC cost 950$
Can play microsoft games , sony games, switch games, plus free online +100 emulator
and mods etc
A lot of games are coming day-one on PC
I think i will stick to PC
Mobilemofo
Member
TBF, you don't even need a laptop nowadays. The s23 ultra can used in desktop with mouse and keyboard via your TV. It is very good. I use it to edit pdfs, make reports, food orders. Works flawlessly.That was the point I was making. Is it more expensive? Yes. Is it better than any console alternative? Yes. Is it only for gaming? No, it can be used for more stuff.
Even if that was the case (it probably is!) you are paying more for a better experience, not just when it comes to playing the games but also because of all the other positive perks that come with PC gaming. If for example PC gaming didn't allow me to mod the games, use community patches, incredible backcompatibility, emulation and so on I would probably be a console gamer but, imo, all those positive perks justify the extra price.
So imo, when someone says "it costs much more than a console" imo the only correct argument would be "no shit sherlock, it also does much more than a console".
also
are students nowadays doing their homework and essays on their phones or what? I would assume most people at highschool or college would need at least a laptop. Come on, I'm not that old, right?
HogIsland
Member
Well I guess we cant assess anything objectively because there might be a spiritual component that's impossible to take into account.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Scamming implies I was deceived or defrauded of which I was neither
If its something I deem worth it then no scam occurred
REDRZA MWS
Member
I wouldn’t entertain trading my 4090 for a slightly upgraded console that play all the games my base ps5 does, with negligible results.
XXL
Member
Good for you."Yeah, at $700 the PS5 Pro is expensive for a console, but I spent more than double that on my GPU alone"
Yeah...
PS5 pro = 1000$ in canada
Series X = 500$
Switch = 400$
All = 1900$ ?
this PC cost 950$
Can play microsoft games , sony games, switch games, plus free online +100 emulator
and mods etc
A lot of games are coming day-one on PC
I think i will stick to PC
I own all of those and a gaming PC.
Not sure what you're point is here.
R6Rider
Gold Member
Don't mind him. Just another person throwing around the word scam without knowing what it means.
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Venom Snake
Member
People who have millions in their bank accounts can afford to be scammed whenever they want.
Bitstream
Member
We're in agreement for the most part, there are plenty of PC only games that I'm looking forward to (Defect, Forever Winter), but looking at the best selling steam games for 2023 I see very few games that only came out on steam.
My point is, the day there's a $3,000 console that is getting a steady stream of next gen only experiences that truly push the boundaries of gameplay, I'm sure there are many of us that would be day 1 customers, but as it stands there's no developer targeting that upper tier exclusively.
My point is, the day there's a $3,000 console that is getting a steady stream of next gen only experiences that truly push the boundaries of gameplay, I'm sure there are many of us that would be day 1 customers, but as it stands there's no developer targeting that upper tier exclusively.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
Congrats, you are a whale. And it's okay, for you.
And then what ?
Everyone should accept this stupid pricing of 920€ because you spend insame amount of money for a GPU, let me laugh please.
You do what you want obviously, but your habits will not legitimate in any form this price.
And then what ?
Everyone should accept this stupid pricing of 920€ because you spend insame amount of money for a GPU, let me laugh please.
You do what you want obviously, but your habits will not legitimate in any form this price.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
When it comes to what the value something provides on a personal level, you can't.
Some people think I'm nuts to spend $500-$700 per tire for cars that I track. They're not car people or not as much an enthusiast as I am. Others are, hence the market for them. It provides me a value of adrenalin and joy that I will never ever get back monetarily. Literal burn 'em up and toss 'em.
Is this box expensive? Yes. Every piece of electronics has gone up in all industries (look at the price of iPhones now). Could you put an objective VALUE on that? No. The market will dictate that, and each person's individual perception of that value.
Put Pro aside, the hobby itself is expensive, you pay above average here for convenience, Nintendo who actually started this shit with the switch but nobody talked about what they did cause it's Nvidia /Apple type of craziness, no one gives a shit and that for itself did work for certain type of audience.
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HogIsland
Member
a person with unlimited money who buys expensive things they're incapable of utilizing is an easy mark.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I have talked to people here that spend twice that amount for a single golf club
Again a scam implies I was defrauded and its something I will use a lot as I play on my PS5 often
Now if its not worth it to you that's fine and I don't blame anyone not wanting to spend that kind of money on a console
But to a lot of people just even here $700 is nothing to spend on a console for their hobby
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
1. But what about for a person that doesn't have a gaming PC at all? A 4070 cost $550 by itself. A pre-build PC on Amazon right now with a 4070 cost between $1,300 and $1,800!!!
2. Some of people don't need a PC at all for other stuff. They use their iphones or a tablet.
Venom Snake
Member
It doesn't really matter whether someone can use the full potential of a given product or not, having a large amount of free lying money means that you can adopt any criteria other than the price/quality/utility ratio.
Javi97
Neo Member
Video games are not essential products. If someone has extra money to spend on their hobby, there should be a product for those people. Today the Nvidia 4090 is priced at $1600 and at any moment Nvidia will launch an XX95 at +$2000 because gamers have an insatiable thirst for power. If someone wants a better PS5 they should be able to buy it
Syphon Filter
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if you run just get extra tanks
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Never go prebuilt, they are much more expensive.
And as I said, that's not the point. Ofc a PC is going to be more expensive than a console, a PC is designed to do much more stuff than a console.
Well then don't get a PC I guess? Even if it's just for gaming, a PC still offers much more value than a console, but people just refuse to take that into account.
mayham2199
Member
I bring up guys with car hobbies all the time because people like you are nuts. My boss and an old coworker were both car guys and the amount of money they were spending was insane.
I do BJJ and even that is $150 a month. I'm spending over two PS5 Pro's a year just doing that hobby. I actually thought about moving to a school closer to me and they wanted $300 a month I just laughed and said I'm good. Gaming is honestly a very cheap hobby for me but it's something I do a lot of so I get a lot for the amount of money I'm spending.
You're getting a better value but at the end of the day you are still spending more money and to a lot of people that's all that matters. That's one of the reasons people get into such crazy CC debt because they are looking at the cost now, not what the overall cost is going to end up being.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
People buy stuff all the time that never see their full potential
How many here own a sporty car that's never driving it at its max speed?
If never reaching a products full potential now means people have been scammed every single one of us are fucked
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
- That's the problem. Many people don't want to "build" a PC. If a pre-built PC is too expensive, then that's the point someone would just go with a PS5 Pro.
- And again......not everyone needs a desktop PC at all.
Sw0pDiller
Member
Ps5 pro it is…
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
>14700F that’s like 80% faster than the consoles’ CPU.Ps5 pro it is…
The dumbassery on Gaf sometimes.
bundylove
Member
If i am an average joe and walk into a atore and see ps5 pro at a 1000 but one of these at 3000 i would gwt the pro if i only care to play games.
Canadian prices
Yes you can build it for less but retail to retail price between the 2 options is very telling about the overall market.
And as we see now prices keep going up so you can complain all you want but chances are the pro will beeven more expensive later than at launch.
Yes you can build it for less but retail to retail price between the 2 options is very telling about the overall market.
And as we see now prices keep going up so you can complain all you want but chances are the pro will beeven more expensive later than at launch.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I used to build mine but kind of over doing that
Now I either have a shop that specializes in it do it for me or more recently just buying prebuilts from Best Buy, just tend to stay away from the cheaper stuff.
I have never had a problem with Corsair from them and even when I do have electronic issues with something I buy from them its very nice just walking in the door and handing them the item and most times they just give me a new one.
Even their better prebuilt PCs they just order a new one for you if you push a little. If its say an IBUYPOWER they will try to fix it first
Bonfires Down
Member
It’s properly crazy the discourse around the Pro. $599 is probably the lowest Sony could charge for it while not losing money. So people are up in arms about $100 spread out over ~4 years for their primary hobby.
Yes, it’s expensive compared to previous generations. I guess you can throw a hissy fit at the laws of physics if you want.
Edit: On the hand hand I’m fully on board protesting about other Sony bullshit like online paywall, no third party keys, bad refund policy and so on.
I mean, look at this shit
Yes, it’s expensive compared to previous generations. I guess you can throw a hissy fit at the laws of physics if you want.
Edit: On the hand hand I’m fully on board protesting about other Sony bullshit like online paywall, no third party keys, bad refund policy and so on.
I mean, look at this shit
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I don't know man. A PC is expensive sure, but you might end up saving money thanks to games being cheaper and not needing to pay to play online.
Well, that's those people problem lol.
Pls go back to the first post I made, the one you quoted a moment ago. My points are that it's normal for a PC to be more expensive than a console because a PC is designed to do lots of stuff while a console is designed to just game and, also, that having a console like the PS5 Pro being so close in price to a PC that has near the same gaming capabilities might hurt the console market. Someone in another post posted some tweets about how some stores in Japan are offering PC deals for those that think the PS5 Pro is too expensive. Sure, some people might not want to game on PC but, some people might want to too.
Yeah I haven't built one in ages lol.
What I did for mine was pick and choose the pieces one by one on an spanish website, then pay an extra 50€ for it to be not just assembled, but also tested, which I think it's fine since you forget about possible day 1 issues and can just focus on enjoying your new machine.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Same here I have a shop near my hometown in Indiana that you can pick and choose stuff off their shelves and they will assemble it and put a warranty on it
You can sit there with them and watch and learn if you pick a time to come in but its usually something that you come back and pick up at a later date
Sw0pDiller
Member
Its the cheapest cpu Dell sells. And i am a dumb consumer so 800 > 1900. I am getting a pro. (After the reviews are in) and dont tell me i can can do more with a pc cuz i have a ton of work laptops laying around for porn and spreadsheets. I buy my console for games just as i would a gaming pc.
bundylove
Member
I dont see a 4070ti with a zen 2 cpu build for 1000 canadian bit the card alone is rhe same as the pro
R6Rider
Gold Member
OT: I cry every time I'm in a city and see a Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari, or even a nice Corvette being piddled about on the busy stop and go traffic and streets.
Just the other day I passed a brand new white Corvette ZR1 (I think) on a beautiful and winding road going 5 under the speed limit. A road where everyone speeds and enjoys the actual road and the cops there don't give a shit.
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mayham2199
Member
There is no question. You will end up saving money. Between game prices and the online sub you'll come out ahead on PC gaming but people don't think like that. They think about what they are spending now. Hence why CC debt is out of control because people just see that they only have to spend a small amount now with CC payments. Not realizing over time they are spending way more to purchase that product they got 6 months ago.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I live near Miami and see so many rich dudes driving stupid expensive sports cars like they are afraid they will break them is crazyOT: I cry every time I'm in a city and see a Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari, or even a nice Corvette being piddled about on the busy stop and go traffic and streets.
Just the other day I passed a brand new white Corvette ZR1 (I think) on a beautiful and winding road going 5 under the speed limit. A road where everyone speeds and enjoys the actual road and the cops there don't give a shit.
At least when I had fast cars I drove them hard but being 57 years old and 6'8" I have a very hard time getting in and out of something like that anymore
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly!
You're assuming people are ONLY paying a subscription for online gaming. They aren't!
TheTony316
Member
The GPU alone is worthless without the rest of the system tho.
saintjules
Gold Member
What's this talk I've been seeing lately about not needing the vertical stand?
Venom Snake
Member
Couldn't agree more.
Don't get me wrong, i love products that are good, fairly priced, and focused on function. But every now and then i like the feeling of purchasing something based on pure emotion. Not to use it's full potential, but to feel satisfied, fulfilled, happy.
There is nothing wrong with a rational approach to things, but if life rewards a man for his hard work by giving him such an opportunity, he should go for it.
I'm tired of hearing that others are taking advantage of me, that i'm an easy target. One could extend this further and say that i, in a sense, have also profited from others, so let others profit from me now.
bundylove
Member
Oh yeah? What sporty car you have?
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Because a 4070 Ti is over twice the rasterization performance of a PS5 when Cerny said verbatim the Pro is 45% faster. So why exactly are you going for a PC with a CPU that's 80% faster and GPU that's easily 20%+ faster and then complaining you cannot find it for $1000 CAD?
Those attempts are matching a console with a PC build are always moronic because it's always full of console gamers who are clearly told why their logic makes no sense or PC gamers trying to cut cost by buying shitty parts. The PS5 Pro is coming out in November. 1-3 months later, there will be new GeForce cards on the market and very soon, you will see a 5060/8700 XT going for $300-350 (thought the 4060 was $400, it's $300) and it should match the PS5 Pro's GPU. You will then be looking at a PC that's around $850 to match the Pro.
If you're going to spend money, be smart about it, don't be an idiot. I'm not big on TVs, but I'm not just buying the first one that comes up on Best Buy's webpage. I do my research and look for the best TV I can get for the best price. If money is such a concern, the least you can do is your due diligence and research what you're about to buy. Or is that too much of a hassle because you're too lazy to do that as well?
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StereoVsn
Member
Microcenter will do this as well. You pick the parts and they will build it. Cost depends on what you want. If you go with custom cooking, expect to pay more $ since they takes a while.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Yeah wish I had a closer one to my hometown in Indiana, its about 3 hours away
I dont have a great picture of her I want to share, this is the only one that doesn't have me or me and my wife in
Was a 2006 Ford GT but got rid of her awhile back with my knee giving me troubles
Its an old pic not long after I got her
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Who the hell burns money on ton of laptops for work and watch port on them?
StereoVsn
Member
Guilty of “sporty” car as well. Got a small SUV (parking in DC garages sucks so much), but instead of just going with your vanilla 4 cylinder turbo, I had to have twin turbo V6, because standing in traffic is much better with 100 more horsepower!Yeah wish I had a closer one to my hometown in Indiana, its about 3 hours away
I dont have a great picture of her I want to share, this is the only one that doesn't have me or me and my wife in
Was a 2006 Ford GT but got rid of her awhile back with my knee giving me troubles
Its an old pic not long after I got her
DaleinCalgary
Member
My Driver is $1400 CDN with upgraded shaft, you don't even want to know the rest of them....