Yes, it is our JOB

Gonzito

Gonzito

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Yes, it's our responsibility as consumers to hold the gaming industry accountable

Its our job to support companies by buying their products when things are done right, by complaining when they do things wrong and when they need to change their behavior or practices. We are the people that pays their salary and we should always demand for better products, reward them when they do right and call them out when they dont

We live in timeline where Prey didn't sell good enough, or Deus Ex and Dishonored are dead. Where a company like Bend Studios is stuck for 6 years on a failed multiplayer project chasing trends, this is a direct consequence of what happens when customers dont support companies when they release amazing games

We are the only ones who can make a difference in this industry. Being passive and ignoring what's going on is the perfect recipe for disaster.

So this is my message to EverydayBeast EverydayBeast , I believe you are wrong and this attitude will lead to a path of bad quality games and bad practices all around the industry

Cheers papitos
 
Bottom Line...

I don't care what companies do or how they treat their employees, as long as the products they are putting out on the market are good.

And if the products aren't good, I don't care for different reasons.
 
Gonzito said:
Yes, it's our responsibility as consumers to hold the gaming industry accountable

Its our job to support companies by buying their products when things are done right, by complaining when they do things wrong and when they need to change their behavior or practices. We are the people that pays their salary and we should always demand for better products, reward them when they do right and call them out when they dont

We live in timeline where Prey didn't sell good enough, or Deus Ex and Dishonored are dead. Where a company like Bend Studios is stuck for 6 years on a failed multiplayer project chasing trends, this is a direct consequence of what happens when customers dont support companies when they release amazing games

We are the only ones who can make a difference in this industry. Being passive and ignoring what's going on is the perfect recipe for disaster.

So this is my message to EverydayBeast EverydayBeast , I believe you are wrong and this attitude will lead to a path of bad quality games and bad practices all around the industry

Cheers papitos
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Punished Miku said:
Do we get paid for this? I'm open to a career change but it has to pay more than my current job. What is the benefits package?
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Please mate, learn to read between the lines. I dont mean this literally, but if you care about games and you enjoy this hobby and want better games, it is our duty to support the companies as consequence. I think anyone with common sense and without any weird agenda will understand the meaning of this sentence
 
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The Cockatrice said:
We are but we're a minority. We couldn't stop millions of idiots buying microtransactions and now look where we are with that shit. It'll only get worse.
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There is light at the end the tunnel.....maybe.

High profile slop games have flopped or the publisher is not satisfied with their performance, Sony cancelling Gaas shit with prejudice, whereas other smaller games have found success with the masses.

Here's hoping change, for the good of us gamers, does indeed happen.
 
Make great products and i will buy them, anything else is bullshit. I don't need some arrogant social media toad sell out , who is getting a few freebies especially the Microsoft crew, to tell me what to like.

We don't owe them anything. They want to sell a product.
 
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My job is the one that pays me the bills, if the industry crash and die, I'll survive, indie devs will survive, and I don't care a little bit. I don't even have emphaty for the ppl working on those big corporations, I didn't send them to work there, they choose it, and if everything goes bad, they'll pay the price.
 
it's your job to keep your opinions about a thread in that thread and not make a new one because you think your opinion is so important that you deserve a new one.


Edit: wrote this at 7:30 am.. sounds more mean than satirical. 🫶
 
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Gonzito said:
Please mate, learn to read between the lines. I dont mean this literally, but if you care about games and you enjoy this hobby and want better games, it is our duty to support the companies as consequence. I think anyone with common sense and without any weird agenda will understand the meaning of this sentence
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I just have to point out it is absurd to call it anyone's job. But sure, I get your point. I actually pride myself on buying niche games that I'm interested in day 1, like Robocop, Wanted: Dead, Devil's Third, NieR (360), and on and on.

I buy it because I want to, not because I am obligated to or because I have some moral obligation to employ people in well paid jobs on the west coast making games when they couldn't give less than 0 shits if I am employed or if I even exist. These people are pursuing an entertainment / art job to try and work their dream job, and it's no one's job to indefinitely employ them. It is a risky endeavor and they chose it.

This media narrative that we have to prevent all game industry lay offs no matter what is literally propaganda, and I'm one of the most liberal people on this site left. This isn't a charity. They have to make relevant products that are priced for people to actually buy them, or they're done and rightly so. You can't expect people to support infinite amounts of game developers. We have so many games now that I literally can't play all my games. I still buy way, way, way more than I am actually playing - which basically amounts to charity. Many of these people will absolutely have to lose their jobs. There's just not enough people buying it to support every single person that wants to make it their dream to move to a super expensive part of the country and make video games, and no one should lose sleep over that. You could lose your job tomorrow and none of these people would even know you exist.

A lot of these studios have clearly dysfunctional production methods. Horrible management. Constantly changing goals and milestones that double the cost of production. At what point does a dysfunctional production deserve to fail? I'm one of the biggest Xbox fans on here, and I am not losing an ounce of sleep over The Initiative closing. Can you honestly say that after all the years they got to try and make that game, they should be given more time? And that WE should pay for it? I don't think that. I don't think that for Everwild. These were dysfunctional productions that are not working. A lot of other layoffs are literally redundant staff. Do you want to send a check to people making six figures in California, doing a job that other people in that company are already doing? Go for it. Write Microsoft a check and leave me out of it.
 
Gonzito said:
Yes, it's our responsibility as consumers to hold the gaming industry accountable

Its our job to support companies by buying their products when things are done right, by complaining when they do things wrong and when they need to change their behavior or practices. We are the people that pays their salary and we should always demand for better products, reward them when they do right and call them out when they dont

We live in timeline where Prey didn't sell good enough, or Deus Ex and Dishonored are dead. Where a company like Bend Studios is stuck for 6 years on a failed multiplayer project chasing trends, this is a direct consequence of what happens when customers dont support companies when they release amazing games

We are the only ones who can make a difference in this industry. Being passive and ignoring what's going on is the perfect recipe for disaster.

So this is my message to EverydayBeast EverydayBeast , I believe you are wrong and this attitude will lead to a path of bad quality games and bad practices all around the industry

Cheers papitos
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Days gone was plenty supported tho
 
na i dont agree, the only way the industry listens is when they are held accountable and the only way i can hold the industry accountable is to keep my money in my pocket. I think i have bought two new games day one in the last five years (Cyberpunk 2077- Baldurs Gate), everything else i buy is heavily discounted. No one or any company is entitled to my money.

Give me what i want or ill keep my money in my wallet
 
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The things I know about gaming industry just affect me in one way?
Choice of buying or not

That's the only message an industry should care and elaborate
Fuck off gaming influcencers
 
Gonzito said:
Yes, it's our responsibility as consumers to hold the gaming industry accountable

Its our job to support companies by buying their products when things are done right, by complaining when they do things wrong and when they need to change their behavior or practices. We are the people that pays their salary and we should always demand for better products, reward them when they do right and call them out when they dont

We live in timeline where Prey didn't sell good enough, or Deus Ex and Dishonored are dead. Where a company like Bend Studios is stuck for 6 years on a failed multiplayer project chasing trends, this is a direct consequence of what happens when customers dont support companies when they release amazing games

We are the only ones who can make a difference in this industry. Being passive and ignoring what's going on is the perfect recipe for disaster.

So this is my message to EverydayBeast EverydayBeast , I believe you are wrong and this attitude will lead to a path of bad quality games and bad practices all around the industry

Cheers papitos
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klosos said:
na i dont agree, the only way the industry listens is when they are held accountable and the only way i can hold the industry accountable is to keep my money in my pocket. I think i have bought two new games day one in the last five years (Cyberpunk 2077- Baldurs Gate), everything else i buy is heavily discounted. No one or any company is entitled to my money.

Give me what i want or ill keep my money in my wallet
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So you are talking about holding accountable a company and keeping the money in your pocket but you say that you bought Cyberpunk 2077? Do I have to remind you the state of the game at launch?

Man, the irony 😂
 
I bought Dishonored and got a game breaking bug in the main questline which I couldn't get out of. Trash game, I'm glad those frauds got found out.

Prey was good though.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
Its their job to win me as a consumer, then I will buy their product
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This. We have absolutely no responsibility but to pursue our own joy. Developers and publishers are selling us an entertainment product. We have zero obligation to forfeit any time from our too short lives to tell them how to do their job, unless that's something we enjoy. They have the sales data. If they do dumb shit and their game bombs, then it's up to them to look at that data and realize how they fucked up before unemployment and bankruptcy come knocking. I'm just going to find fun where I can and not take this shit seriously unless I'm being remunerated for my time and energy.
 
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You can't hold the industry accountable by rubber necking industry news stories or by supporting your favorite devs no matter what. and always demanding sequel after sequel of games with the right name.

By industry accountability what people mean are things like DEI, protecting whistleblowers, trade unions. They don't normally mean things like blaming consumers for not buying certain games leading "inevitably" to a series of bad management decisions. Traditionally people also don't buy certain games for various reasons such as some corporation didn't put their full weight behind promoting it, it was rushed out with bugs, it was presented in a confusing way, cultural "gatekeepers" decided to dogpile it for whatever random petty reasons they had.

Instead of accountability, gamers should be engaging in thinking critically about games after they have played them, something that can take a while to be useful, perhaps even after the developer has been shut down. But if gamers don't think critically about games and their experience, and communicate that in a way developers can listen in on or join in on, then there is no such thing as gaming culture.
 
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Gonzito said:
So you are talking about holding accountable a company and keeping the money in your pocket but you say that you bought Cyberpunk 2077? Do I have to remind you the state of the game at launch?

Man, the irony 😂
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Yep exactly , after that experience with Cyberpunk 2077 i stopped buying games frequently , and with Baldurs gate 3 was in early access and i saw enough on Youtube knowing its my type of thing. I mean ill get around to most games in the end two years later then everyone else with the quarter of the cost.
 
I support the games i want, the games that cater to me- I owe nobody my money. I spend my money where i am interested regardless of who's making it and I avoid practices that i perceive as negative.
 
Gonzito said:
Please mate, learn to read between the lines. I dont mean this literally, but if you care about games and you enjoy this hobby and want better games, it is our duty to support the companies as consequence. I think anyone with common sense and without any weird agenda will understand the meaning of this sentence
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I buy every game I want, without fail. The publisher sells me on a game that interests me and I either buy it or play it on Gamepass and then if I really like the game I also buy it. Its how ive treated movies since I was young and it works.

Buy or rent thing and buy the products that really impress me. I don't think theres fairer than that. I work my ass off for my money. I'm not just going to purchase games that are considered good, if they are not in my wheelhouse or dont interest me and my taste.
 
Bonfires Down said:
Immersive sims may not have been able to sustain AAA budgets but that doesn't mean they are gone. They are alive and thriving in the indie space.
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I was thinking about this the other day but not sure how to pick a good example to try.

Any post-Prey iterations you can recommend?
 
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