evil solrac v3.0
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dude, that's so crash. show's not ending.... just keep hope alive.
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Young Justice: The Animated Series
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dude, that's so crash. show's not ending.... just keep hope alive.
shira
Member
no laga'an? for shame
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
The toys look decent enough but it's lazy because they use the Justice League silhouettes at the logo lol
And it's the Happy Meal with boys/girls edition - the girls edition can opt for Strawberry Shortcake figures lol
I enjoy Young Justice a lot. But even the best of shows have issues, as we all know.
In theory, I enjoy the concept of The Light. But watching the end of this episode made me realize that there hasn't been a lot of interpersonal interaction between the main villains - that we've seen, obviously. I can only recall one other episode - the one where Aqualad and Red Arrow teamed up, where you saw some interaction of the sort I'm thinking of, and it was between Lex Luthor and Ra's Al Ghul. I enjoyed the Lex/Ra scene, just as I enjoyed the Lex/Savage scene; of course we've seen plotting before, but I do like how 'muted' those scenes were, for lack of a better word. I don't follow the comic book, so I'm curious: does the book expand or expound upon The Light in anyway?
I know there's been a lot of criticism of the whole "the villains win, even when they lose" bit; and I agree, to an extent, that there should be more definite wins by the good guys. But I guess if I were forming a super-villain group, I would have to take a few things into consideration:
1. I would have to acknowledge that, as smart and villainous as I think I am, there are indeed other bad guys that might actually be my equal, and I should deal with my fellow bad guys fairly, and not resort to the usual cliche double-crosses, power trips, etc.
2. I would have to acknowledge that the heroes are heroes for a reason; there good and talented at what they do, and they're powerful.
3. Acknowledging #2 means I have to rethink how I carry out my schemes, and what my goals are. I have to assume that 9 times out of 10, my plots will be foiled. So, my best options may only be misdirection, and budgeting for frequent losses.
I'm curious if, during this 5 year gap, The Light may have indeed suffered a setback or two.
In fact, I'm curious as to if we'll even get some clarity on what their endgame actually is, without the rushed explanation we got from Vandal at the end of season one. It seems odd that both Vandal, and Ra's Al Ghoul would be in favor of selling the planet out to aliens - "enabling an alien invasion" as Lex put it a few episodes back. That seems at odds with the philosophies of both men, unless I missed some characterization changes over the years.
I believe a dynamic in which the villains are smarter than the good guys, and may actually be right, can work (and if anyone knows of any books or movies that run with this idea, please suggest it). But I feel the show has fumbled a bit with the execution of this idea, if that's what they're even going for - we still just don't know.
In theory, I enjoy the concept of The Light. But watching the end of this episode made me realize that there hasn't been a lot of interpersonal interaction between the main villains - that we've seen, obviously. I can only recall one other episode - the one where Aqualad and Red Arrow teamed up, where you saw some interaction of the sort I'm thinking of, and it was between Lex Luthor and Ra's Al Ghul. I enjoyed the Lex/Ra scene, just as I enjoyed the Lex/Savage scene; of course we've seen plotting before, but I do like how 'muted' those scenes were, for lack of a better word. I don't follow the comic book, so I'm curious: does the book expand or expound upon The Light in anyway?
I know there's been a lot of criticism of the whole "the villains win, even when they lose" bit; and I agree, to an extent, that there should be more definite wins by the good guys. But I guess if I were forming a super-villain group, I would have to take a few things into consideration:
1. I would have to acknowledge that, as smart and villainous as I think I am, there are indeed other bad guys that might actually be my equal, and I should deal with my fellow bad guys fairly, and not resort to the usual cliche double-crosses, power trips, etc.
2. I would have to acknowledge that the heroes are heroes for a reason; there good and talented at what they do, and they're powerful.
3. Acknowledging #2 means I have to rethink how I carry out my schemes, and what my goals are. I have to assume that 9 times out of 10, my plots will be foiled. So, my best options may only be misdirection, and budgeting for frequent losses.
I'm curious if, during this 5 year gap, The Light may have indeed suffered a setback or two.
In fact, I'm curious as to if we'll even get some clarity on what their endgame actually is, without the rushed explanation we got from Vandal at the end of season one. It seems odd that both Vandal, and Ra's Al Ghoul would be in favor of selling the planet out to aliens - "enabling an alien invasion" as Lex put it a few episodes back. That seems at odds with the philosophies of both men, unless I missed some characterization changes over the years.
I believe a dynamic in which the villains are smarter than the good guys, and may actually be right, can work (and if anyone knows of any books or movies that run with this idea, please suggest it). But I feel the show has fumbled a bit with the execution of this idea, if that's what they're even going for - we still just don't know.
Jorok Goldblade
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They probably think that they have the upper hand, and can use the Reach's resources and then poach their spoils. They don't see how powerful the Reach are, and that they aren't willing to share control when they do take over Earth.
EDIT: Clips and Screens! They're up early this week!
http://www.comicvine.com/news/young-justice-episode-39-the-fix-clips-and-images/145876/
Infinite Justice
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Haha
, decent new character so far
Deathstroke
Well, that may be true; but if they were somehow able to make contact with The Reach initially, you would think they did their homework. I'm not familiar with The Reach from the comics, but I assume their relationship with groups like the Guardians of Oa is acrimonious. So, maybe The Light and The Reach see some commonality in that they technically have mutual enemies standing in the way of their goals - so, they use each other or work together in that regard. Still seems odd though, and I hope a full explanation of this angle is forthcoming.
Hmm, I think I see what Artemis might be doing there. Hopefully it works.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
So as I take it,
Artemis wants Megann kidnapped so she can disrupt Psimon
My guess as well. It will most likely be too late.
Schadenfreude
Member
Oooh shit. Deathstroke and Artemis teaming up. Dis gun be gud.
Shit is going down over the next week.
Poor Psimon I think his only use is to go catatonic for the last half of the series.
Schadenfreude
Member
lol Dat commercial.
Schadenfreude
Member
Slade/Deathstroke will always be Ron Perlman to me.
True. But at least he's Sinestro on GL now!
Schadenfreude
Member
are you talking about the show or the team?
I chalk it up to not having their mentors and still being relatively young!
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I'm still trying to figure out how impulse continues to be to slow to stop all the key events he came back to end...
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Man, in a way I kinda pity LB. He was just introduced as a temporary "pillow" for Megann without developing his character.
lmfao!
Pre time skip maybe.
Infinite Justice
Member
You have to remember that there's only 3 original team members left, and of those 3, Nightwing is the only one who had proper training from his mentor. The rest of the team, baring MM, SB and maybe Bat Girl, have had less then 5 years of training and now they don't have the Justice League safety net to fall back on.
This show and GL:TAS are too good for Cartoon Network (;_
Artemis in her role as Tigress f*cking A+
Deathstroke schooling Lagoon boy.
Dat commercial with G. Gordon Godfrey lol
Aqualad's mind being put back together again and Black Manta actually giving a damn about his son. Sportsmaster failed so hard with Artemis.
Artemis in her role as Tigress f*cking A+
Deathstroke schooling Lagoon boy.
Dat commercial with G. Gordon Godfrey lol
Aqualad's mind being put back together again and Black Manta actually giving a damn about his son. Sportsmaster failed so hard with Artemis.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Black Manta's design is pretty awesome.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Slade is so damn amazing. I really liked him in Teen Titans. Lagan is useless.
Sorry lagaan. The only green one to clean deathstrokes clock was titans BB.
And the series should be called secrets the series. Because everyone has them. Nightwing holds out on Superboy, Superboy holds out on nightwing. Its pretty hilarious
And the series should be called secrets the series. Because everyone has them. Nightwing holds out on Superboy, Superboy holds out on nightwing. Its pretty hilarious
It's stupid I hope Superboy and Miss Martian do not get away with it, I hated the way Superboy called out Nightwing as if they are equals and Nightwing just took it and said nothing. Makes it seem like just like in the last season everybody is going to reveal their secretes and say sorry and forget it like nothing happened.
Nightwing as leader does not need to tell his team shit about his plans or reasons behind them. Superboy and Miss Martian have broken the trust of the team before they don't deserve Nightwing having full confidence in them.
Infinite Justice
Member
Deathstroke is da best and LOLOLOLOLOLOL @ Lagoon Boy
I partly disagree but aside from that the ultimate failure imo is Nightwing's handling of this entire thing since he apparently left out the 2 people who could fuck up the plan for some reason (which one of them did) and he should know first hand that both of them have the possibility to (hell he was a victim of one).
Lets say he told them to basically fuck off and not tell them, why would you not fucking keep tabs on them just in case? This just reeks of poorly thought out shit and given his mentor its pretty shocking tbh.
Superboy was wrong as well so its not like he's scott free or anything so his moral highground talk was garbage as well
I partly disagree but aside from that the ultimate failure imo is Nightwing's handling of this entire thing since he apparently left out the 2 people who could fuck up the plan for some reason (which one of them did) and he should know first hand that both of them have the possibility to (hell he was a victim of one).
Lets say he told them to basically fuck off and not tell them, why would you not fucking keep tabs on them just in case? This just reeks of poorly thought out shit and given his mentor its pretty shocking tbh.
Superboy was wrong as well so its not like he's scott free or anything so his moral highground talk was garbage as well
Infinite Justice
Member
thats not Tim, but the Robin before him called Jason Todd.
that character was infamous in the comics since he was killed
by Joker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Todd
I guess in this version of the timeline he joined during the 5 year skip and died
The point being is Superboy and Miss Martian did betray the team's trust before, Nightwing being a student of Batman (a man who is notoriously distrustful of others, even to the other founding member of the Justice League) he naturally would not trust those two with the plan and would trust his closest friends. He could of kept a closer eye on them, but he still would have not known or be able prevent Miss Martian shattering Aqualad's mind.
I actually kinda feel bad for Black Manta, he's probably not going to take the news about his son being a dirty traitor very well.
Especially since he seemed to keep mgaans mind fuckery to himself. Twice. Superboy has no moral stand to take when it comes to secrets.
Infinite Justice
Member
But yet Aretimis was in on it and she was in on a similar road last season.
He found out about all that stuff though and still kept it until she proved herself so i dont think he as instantly distrustful or wouldn't have known (if he did his investigations).
I'm just really surprised he didn't take some measures at least.
yea...
I guess we have to see.
As i said what superboy did was garbage and seeing him taking the moral high ground was puck inducing
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