Support NeoGAF

[PK Gaming]

Well, the hardcore community loves Persona, don't they? That's as anime as it gets.

Not if you ask a certain subset of the fanbase, haha.

 

[fvng]

Because everyone likes the same thing, thats why all the threads on here are full of people endlessly agreeing with one another.

You've missed the point completely, but okay.

This thread smells strongly of the 'every anime art style looks the same' bullshit.

Those are all readily identifiable as japanese animation, so it's a moot point. Nobody said that all japanese animation styles are identical, but you keep on arguing against an argument nobody made.

 

[fvng]

dupe

 

[Laughing Banana]

Not if you ask a certain subset of the fanbase, haha.

I never understand such mindset.

It's like they categorically reject the notion of "Persona = Anime" since maybe they consider "Anime" is something that is beneath Persona or it's a travesty that they can enjoy things that are linked with "Anime"

SMH.

I also don't understand why some are so upset when the dating elements of Persona games are touted by some, but that's another story.

I take anime games pretty seriously. I beat Tales of Xillia long ago but there was something about it that was particularly disgusting.

The Jude-Leia relationship. Leia is truly the only one for Jude, and yet Jude ignores her and is instead slavishly devoted to Milla. Milla's perception of Jude graduates from pet to some snoozefest thing about respect for a dude that teaches her about humanity. There is no love here, it's painful. How could Jude do this? This is what he's missing out on:

+a great complement to his personality
+someone who knows him well
+genuine concern for personal well-being (a bit fucked up to cite this when the person already likes you, but whatever, she is genuinely concerned for him, and in a non-abusive/equal level unlike Milla or Elise)
-someone with weird ideas about how girls and guys write

What a scumbag. He's worse than Luke. Plus there's that abominable scene on Jude's side where

Spoiler

the loss of Milla and her guidance so severely incapacitates him that he can't bring himself to come to Leia's aid as she's fighting for both his and her lives against Alvin. Plus his delayed reaction to her getting shot. Plus his sudden decision to confess his love for Alvin and abandon Leia. Plus his being cold to her while in whatever the hell that town was that Elise was locked up in.

And throughout cutscenes and skits prior, he doesn't really take her seriously. What sort of world do we live in where waifus are treated so terribly?

That's when I realized. There is no justice. Only hate.

Hahahaha, true true. Milla is not a bad character, but Leia is *just* such a sweetheart. It breaks my heart how she is so accepting the fact that Milla is the one that that idiot Jude choose.

 

[Parakeetman]

Crunchyroll aren't fansubs, it's a legitimate streaming service with a large number of subscribers and it's growing all the time. The profits they make from subscribers is definitely nothing to scoff at. At this point, it's the Steam of anime in the west, even if it hasn't quite reached that size.



Nier is pretty anime too.

They did start off by illegal streaming content which was not theirs. They just got lucky with investors who saw the big amount of viewers they had landing them a bunch of cash and not having been sued into the ground.

Regardless of that though, they sure got the whole business management part down hella good considering all the different areas where their service can be found and used including XBL and PSN

 

[fvng]

I never understand such mindset.

It's like they categorically reject the notion of "Persona = Anime" since maybe they consider "Anime" is something that is beneath Persona or it's a travesty that they can enjoy things that are linked with "Anime"

SMH.

I also don't understand why some are so upset when the dating elements of Persona games are touted by some, but that's another story.

I never liked Persona's shift away from non-anime style of the ps1 original to what eventually became a very typical-generic anime look for the series. That's something that happened, please revisit the first game. That sorta shit will turn off people who may not like anime aesthetics. Anime turns a lot of people off.

 

[fvng]

That's because most people mistakenly believe anime to be a genre or style. It's not. It's a medium. There are various subgenres and styles within anime and manga.
g.

Actually that couldn't be more untrue. Anime is not a medium. ANIMATION is a medium, Anime or Japanese Animation is just a part of it. I highly recommend investigating what a medium actually is.

This is like if I said "Bollywood movies are a medium!" because I didn't want it to be associated with western film production.

That's just rubbish.

 

[BGBW]

Technically anime is just short for animation. In Japan the Simpsons would be called anime since the term will encompass all animation. It's just that we've decided to use the term to pigeon hole japanese animation. So yes it is a medium.

 

[Crash Station]

They did start off by illegal streaming content which was not theirs. They just got lucky with investors who saw the big amount of viewers they had landing them a bunch of cash and not having been sued into the ground.

Regardless of that though, they sure got the whole business management part down hella good considering all the different areas where their service can be found and used including XBL and PSN

I'm not defending their less than admirable beginnings. Just saying they've become a major player in the industry.

Actually that couldn't be more untrue. Anime is not a medium. ANIMATION is a medium, Anime or Japanese Animation is just a part of it. I highly recommend investigating what a medium actually is.

This is like if I said "Bollywood movies are a medium!" because I didn't want it to be associated with western film production.

That's just rubbish.

While you're technically right, anime is generally seen as its own thing due to the variety it exhibits compared to animation from other countries. In the west, you'd be hard pressed to find a cartoon that isn't either aimed at children or a comedy, with the former rarely venturing outside the latter. Anime on the other hand encompasses pretty much every genre you would find in live action and more.

The Bollywood comparison doesn't really work. It's more like saying Hollywood is to live action film as anime is to animation. Had countries beside Japan (and other Asian countries to a lesser extent) decided to branch out with animation as well, there would likely be less of an argument over labels.

 

[G-Fex]

This thread smells strongly of the 'every anime art style looks the same' bullshit.

I don't like any of those at all.


I don't like anime, and it's okay

I didn't even need a note from an angel. It's all gravy

 

[OldKingDoran]

Well, the hardcore community loves Persona, don't they? That's as anime as it gets.

What "hardcore" community?

ive met several people who you could consider "casuals" that like persona. i also know people who like anime and dont like persona.

The people who are fans of persona are diverse, just like with most other video game franchises.

 

[fvng]

While you're technically right, anime is generally seen as its own thing due to the variety it exhibits compared to animation from other countries. In the west, you'd be hard pressed to find a cartoon that isn't either aimed at children or a comedy, with the former rarely venturing outside the latter. Anime on the other hand encompasses pretty much every genre you would find in live action and more.

The Bollywood comparison doesn't really work. It's more like saying Hollywood is to live action film as anime is to animation. Had countries beside Japan (and other Asian countries to a lesser extent) decided to branch out with animation as well, there would likely be less of an argument over labels.

Anime is its own thing because it refers to animation produced in Japan, so anime has a very narrow definition, but it's not a medium unto its own. For this reason I don't think "anime" styled animation in the west should be labeled anime.

I would not say anime is independent from the animation medium, that's absurd. Anime is simply shorthand for Japanese animation. The fact that there is a word that is intended to specify animation from Japan doesn't mean it's a separate medium.

There is plenty of animation in the west that's not necessarily aimed at children (You're not hard pressed to do that) that's not really a reason to consider anime its own thing. Anime is just a subset of regular animation

Technically anime is just short for animation. In Japan the Simpsons would be called anime since the term will encompass all animation. It's just that we've decided to use the term to pigeon hole japanese animation. So yes it is a medium.

yes but we live in the west, so anime specifically refers to animation from Japan.. WE NEED a word to specify Japanese Animation. Everyone is the west on the same page, when we say "anime", we know Japanese animation is what's being referred to. So no, it's not a medium. Animation is a medium, but Japanese Animation is not a completely separate independent medium. You are getting caught up in semantics but I hope you're not trying to argue that japanese animation is a separate medium

 

[Crash Station]

There is plenty of animation in the west that's not necessarily aimed at children (You're not hard pressed to do that) that's not really a reason to consider anime its own thing. Anime is just a subset of regular animation

I said aimed at children or a comedy. The only one I can think of that doesn't fall under either of those is Aeon Flux, which was inspired by anime. You're welcome to name more if you know of any.

 

[raven777]

I take anime games pretty seriously. I beat Tales of Xillia long ago but there was something about it that was particularly disgusting.

The Jude-Leia relationship. Leia is truly the only one for Jude, and yet Jude ignores her and is instead slavishly devoted to Milla. Milla's perception of Jude graduates from pet to some snoozefest thing about respect for a dude that teaches her about humanity. There is no love here, it's painful. How could Jude do this? This is what he's missing out on:

+a great complement to his personality
+someone who knows him well
+genuine concern for personal well-being (a bit fucked up to cite this when the person already likes you, but whatever, she is genuinely concerned for him, and in a non-abusive/equal level unlike Milla or Elise)
-someone with weird ideas about how girls and guys write

What a scumbag. He's worse than Luke. Plus there's that abominable scene on Jude's side where

Spoiler

the loss of Milla and her guidance so severely incapacitates him that he can't bring himself to come to Leia's aid as she's fighting for both his and her lives against Alvin. Plus his delayed reaction to her getting shot. Plus his sudden decision to confess his love for Alvin and abandon Leia. Plus his being cold to her while in whatever the hell that town was that Elise was locked up in.

And throughout cutscenes and skits prior, he doesn't really take her seriously. What sort of world do we live in where waifus are treated so terribly?

That's when I realized. There is no justice. Only hate.

Yea thats one of the typical Japanese anime trope. I really don't like them myself.

 

[Candescence]

I said aimed at children or a comedy. The only one I can think of that doesn't fall under either of those is Aeon Flux, which was inspired by anime. You're welcome to name more if you know of any.

Pretty much - you'd be very hard pressed to find a western animated series that isn't aimed at children and/or isn't a comedy, and a good number of said comedies not aimed at children are as about as "mature" as they come, thanks to South Park. You can mainly blame this on the Animation Age Ghetto - in the minds of the mainstream for the most part, if it's animated and not explicitly aimed at kids, it's a gross-out comedy, The Simpsons, or Family Guy, no exceptions. The Ghetto also makes airing anything that isn't shonen on mainstream TV channels problematic, as well. Of course, the internet is able to fill the void when needed.

 

[Village]

damn, they are beating the shit out of her. got dayum.

man, Ive only seen the first season of the boondocks.

Season 4 starts in a couple weeks i think

 

[Eusis]

Technically anime is just short for animation. In Japan the Simpsons would be called anime since the term will encompass all animation. It's just that we've decided to use the term to pigeon hole japanese animation. So yes it is a medium.

Anime seems kind of like the reverse of the yankee aphorism: the closer you get to the source the broader it gets, rather than narrowing in definition until you're left with Vermonters that eat pie for breakfast.

Though the Japanese language tends to necessitate that kind of abbreviation of foreign words (and no one likes the word Japanimation.)

 

[PK Gaming]

I never understand such mindset.

It's like they categorically reject the notion of "Persona = Anime" since maybe they consider "Anime" is something that is beneath Persona or it's a travesty that they can enjoy things that are linked with "Anime"

SMH.

I also don't understand why some are so upset when the dating elements of Persona games are touted by some, but that's another story.

Yeah the "Persona isn't anime" argument is kind of a running joke at this point. It's a shame because they get to have their cake and eat it too.

I never liked Persona's shift away from non-anime style of the ps1 original to what eventually became a very typical-generic anime look for the series. That's something that happened, please revisit the first game. That sorta shit will turn off people who may not like anime aesthetics. Anime turns a lot of people off.

Dude

Persona at it's core has always been about a bunch of unique teenagers relying on friendship and effort to achieve victory. It's been subverted or gone about in a different in ways for some of the titles (P2:EP/P3) but it's more or less consistent on that front.

It's hella anime.

You probably felt that way because you played the american version of P1 (which was completely changed from the ground up)

I don't really blame you, tbh.

 

[petran79]

I'm not anti-anime, though I'm not a fan of it. I will make SOME exceptions for games with anime art style (Valkria Chronicles, Ni No Kuni, Drakengard 3)... but for the most part I feel like anime character design are uninspired/unremarkable.

Who is quantifying how many people are reading/watching anime online? I'm assuming you mean online scanlations and fansub streaming? I'm not a fan of depriving companies of revenue, so if you support that, you are giving companies the false impression that there is no demand for anime since revenue is dying (which has been the trend for a few years now)

Which cons are getting bigger? Any sources? I only bring up NY Anime Festival because it was big news when they decided to shut down in a huge market like NYC, due to dwindling interest.

Those shows made their revenue in japan from dvd/blueray and tv/internet/cinema broadcasts. Same for manga. Anime are much more expensive there too. Like some western gn, they are for niche audiences too. Promoting such series outside japan is risky anyway.

If you refer to older or more popular shows, a lot of them were dubbed, especially in europe and are available both as tv rips and dvds at a bargain price. Hardly any lost revenue either. Even though i wasnt satisfied with the dvd quality and translation of samurai pizza cats, having also paid full price.

Scanlations except the translations , have the extra pain of scanning,cleaning and editing the image. They target a specific audience too.

 

[Holykael1]

Agreed. I clicked on the Ys thread and the last page was mostly people arguing about different female characters and waifus. It is really off putting and a bit gross.

Man, cmon.. do you actually believe people were serious? We were talking about that stuff in good fun(atleast I was), just jokes.
People are missing out if they disregard a game/story based on the artstyle, arguably some of the best narratives this medium ever produced are anime looking games like your Xeno's, 999/VLR, DR, etc..

 

[Soriku]

I take anime games pretty seriously. I beat Tales of Xillia long ago but there was something about it that was particularly disgusting.

The Jude-Leia relationship. Leia is truly the only one for Jude, and yet Jude ignores her and is instead slavishly devoted to Milla. Milla's perception of Jude graduates from pet to some snoozefest thing about respect for a dude that teaches her about humanity. There is no love here, it's painful. How could Jude do this? This is what he's missing out on:

+a great complement to his personality
+someone who knows him well
+genuine concern for personal well-being (a bit fucked up to cite this when the person already likes you, but whatever, she is genuinely concerned for him, and in a non-abusive/equal level unlike Milla or Elise)
-someone with weird ideas about how girls and guys write

What a scumbag. He's worse than Luke. Plus there's that abominable scene on Jude's side where

Spoiler

the loss of Milla and her guidance so severely incapacitates him that he can't bring himself to come to Leia's aid as she's fighting for both his and her lives against Alvin. Plus his delayed reaction to her getting shot. Plus his sudden decision to confess his love for Alvin and abandon Leia. Plus his being cold to her while in whatever the hell that town was that Elise was locked up in.

And throughout cutscenes and skits prior, he doesn't really take her seriously. What sort of world do we live in where waifus are treated so terribly?

That's when I realized. There is no justice. Only hate.

Totally man. Jude should've gotten with Alvin.

Wow, is that a new Slam Dunk?

Kuroko no Basket

It's great, you should watch it.

 

[En-ou]

With Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch on PS3 and Ni No Kuni: Dominion of the Dark Djinn on DS (Japan only) going on to sell a combined 1.4 million units worldwide; does that make a case for anime based games to be taken more seriously? It seems like many anime games are usually just bare-bones fighters or phoned in beat-em-ups or hack and slash games. Is Ni No Kuni evidence that more original and deeper anime games have a market on consoles?

EDIT: for clarification i will use this wiki definition as to what I'm referring to when i say "anime", or games based on a Japanese art-syle. I realize Ni No Kuni is not based on an existing manga or show, I'm using anime to encompass games such as Ni No Kuni which are done in the vein of the anime style. So my question applies to games based on anime shows, manga or the style of Japanese anime.

what do you mean taken more seriously? if a game is good people play it. that's all there is to it.

 

[Nymphae]

It's a medium.

How do you define that as a medium?

I've always thought of anime as a visual style employed in certain mediums, not a medium to itself.

it's a cartoon that's japanese in origin

Again, honest question here. So if I move to Japan tomorrow, and draw a cartoon or make a short animated film in the style I currently draw in (which is not anime), it's all of a sudden considered anime?

 

[En-ou]

I never understand such mindset.

It's like they categorically reject the notion of "Persona = Anime" since maybe they consider "Anime" is something that is beneath Persona or it's a travesty that they can enjoy things that are linked with "Anime"

SMH.

I also don't understand why some are so upset when the dating elements of Persona games are touted by some, but that's another story.



Hahahaha, true true. Milla is not a bad character, but Leia is *just* such a sweetheart. It breaks my heart how she is so accepting the fact that Milla is the one that that idiot Jude choose.

soap opera RPG? wtf

 

[Soriku]

soap opera RPG? wtf

Xillia is far from a soap opera lol.

I heard Jude isn't clingy in Xillia 2 though. Though he's not even that clingy in Xillia 1 except at one point.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Again, honest question here. So if I move to Japan tomorrow, and draw a cartoon or make a short animated film in the style I currently draw in (which is not anime), it's all of a sudden considered anime?

In Japan? Yes, since they use that term for any animation. It's like how here in the west, most animated shows are referred to as cartoons, even though stuff like South Park, Adventure Time, My Little Pony, Looney Tunes shorts, etc all differ widely in art style and content.

Anime has a different meaning outside of Japan though, which is why so many people have different views when they hear the term. Some use the term for any animation produced from Japan regardless of artstyle, others apply it for only specific kinds of Japanese animation styles.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

What the hell?

Guys, girls, Gaffers, anime is not a medium. It's a genre. It's like saying horror movies are a medium. They're a genre of the film medium.

But I see that this argument is going in circles in this thread, so I'm assuming there's no talking sense into you...

 

[XiaNaphryz]

What the hell?

Guys, girls, Gaffers, anime is not a medium. It's a genre. It's like saying horror movies are a medium. They're a genre of the film medium.

But I see that this argument is going in circles in this thread, so I'm assuming there's no talking sense into you...

...wat

 

[ZeroMaverick]

...wat

Did I somehow confuse you?

 

[Yuuichi]

What the hell?

Guys, girls, Gaffers, anime is not a medium. It's a genre. It's like saying horror movies are a medium. They're a genre of the film medium.

But I see that this argument is going in circles in this thread, so I'm assuming there's no talking sense into you...

I...I...no words here, just wow. I'm not sure if you're intentionally trolling or what, but anime in it's traditional definition is a medium.

 

[Nymphae]

In Japan? Yes, since they use that term for any animation. It's like how here in the west, most animated shows are referred to as cartoons, even though stuff like South Park, Adventure Time, My Little Pony, Looney Tunes shorts, etc all differ widely in art style and content.

Anime has a different meaning outside of Japan though for many, which is why so many people have different views when they hear the term.

Ah ok I see. That seems strange to me but I get it, I mean if I did a comic animation from japan tomorrow, I wouldn't think westerners that saw it would consider it anime at all, but yeah over there they would just call everything anime.

Also, I've never had any problem calling all those western shows cartoons, the word cartoon, to me, simply means any drawn video. Reminds me of the "graphc novels" thing too, I just call them comics, I don't care if the word has connotations to "younger" media.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Did I somehow confuse you?

You're essentially saying cartoons/animation are a genre of the film or TV medium. South Park, Winnie the Pooh, Daria, Ducktales are the same genre now?

 

[ZeroMaverick]

I...I...no words here, just wow. I'm not sure if you're intentionally trolling or what, but anime in it's traditional definition is a medium.

It's definitely not a medium. I will argue that to the grave. It's clearly a genre filled with sub genres of entertainment, television, and art if you want to call that really primitive form art.

 

[Plywood]

Attack on Titan made by Respawn.

Spoiler

or Platinum

Definitely Platinum, they've already got the right idea going with Vanquish then again Respawn could do good work with the Titans.

Collaborative project?

 

[Kssio_Aug]

I really think that JRPGs with that japanese art style are lacking some maturity. Im not saying it to games like Ni No Kuni however, because the game is designed to feel not that mature, its world, history and character feel appropriated and thats perfectly fine in its case.

Thats what I am expecting the most with FFXV. It seems an great action JRPG with japanese art style in a world of fantasy but that still looks mature! On the other hand, FFXIII was disappointing in that matter with those completely boring, unconvincible and childish characters (except for Lightning).

Hope that they release the game this time at least.

 

[okayfrog]

What the hell?

Guys, girls, Gaffers, anime is not a medium. It's a genre. It's like saying horror movies are a medium. They're a genre of the film medium.

But I see that this argument is going in circles in this thread, so I'm assuming there's no talking sense into you...

So are horror anime a genre of the anime genre?

 

[Yuuichi]

It's definitely not a medium. I will argue that to the grave. It's clearly a genre filled with sub genres of entertainment, television, and art if you want to call that really primitive form art.

Then what about movies like Summer Wars or 5cm/s, good luck arguing those as television. I'm also not really sure where you're deriving this sub-genre argument from, as that makes your argument such that movies, TV, and if I wish to make the leap games are not mediums, but rather genres; which to be quite honest, makes just about no sense whatsoever.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Kuroko no Basket

It's great, you should watch it.

There should've been an x-ray shot showing them literally breaking their ankles.

 

[Nymphae]

It's definitely not a medium. I will argue that to the grave. It's clearly a genre filled with sub genres of entertainment, television, and art if you want to call that really primitive form art.

I think the confusion might be stemming from the fact that in japan, all the drawn works are considered "anime", whereas over here we see anime as a subset or a genre of all "illustrated works", which encompasses many different styles and mediums. The comic, or tv show, or game, etc, is the actual medium (which broken down further uses other mediums such as pens, pencils, etc.). Maybe? I dunno.

 

[LiK]

I take the MGS series very seriously.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

Here's what I'm trying to say.

Cartoons/animation is the medium.
Things like anime, comedy cartoons(Family Guy etc.), and children's cartoons are all genres of the animation medium.

What it seems like some of you are saying is equivalent to saying the First Person Shooter is a medium. I'm saying it's a genre of the medium of games.

You get what I mean?
Clearly, some misunderstanding took place.

 

[Taruranto]

There should've been an x-ray shot showing them literally breaking their ankles.

They all have superpowers, it's ok.

 

[Nymphae]

Here's what I'm trying to say.

Cartoons/animation is the medium.
Things like anime, comedy cartoons(Family Guy etc.), and children's cartoons are all genres of the animation medium.

What it seems like some of you are saying is equivalent to saying the First Person Shooter is a medium. I'm saying it's a genre of the medium of games.

You get what I mean?
Clearly, some misunderstanding took place.

I feel like this is accurate.

 

[Jarmel]

It's definitely not a medium. I will argue that to the grave. It's clearly a genre filled with sub genres of entertainment, television, and art if you want to call that really primitive form art.

In Japan? Yes, since they use that term for any animation. It's like how here in the west, most animated shows are referred to as cartoons, even though stuff like South Park, Adventure Time, My Little Pony, Looney Tunes shorts, etc all differ widely in art style and content.

Anime has a different meaning outside of Japan though, which is why so many people have different views when they hear the term. Some use the term for any animation produced from Japan regardless of artstyle, others apply it for only specific kinds of Japanese animation styles.

Anime is a medium. This is really cut and dry.

 

[okayfrog]

Here's what I'm trying to say.

Cartoons/animation is the medium.
Things like anime, comedy cartoons(Family Guy etc.), and children's cartoons are all genres of the animation medium.

But anime is just Japanese cartoons. Does that mean that in Japan, they consider American cartoons to be a genre whereas they differentiate their Japanese cartoons by comedy (Nichijou, etc.) and children's Japanese cartoons and all that as part of the anime medium?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Anime is a medium. This is really cut and dry.

?

I never said otherwise.

 

[Reversed]

Well, videogame adaptions from anime series rarely take my interest because they seem to copycat another game's formula, or are there just to make a quick buck.

 

[Jex]

Here's what I'm trying to say.

Cartoons/animation is the medium.
Things like anime, comedy cartoons(Family Guy etc.), and children's cartoons are all genres of the animation medium.

What it seems like some of you are saying is equivalent to saying the First Person Shooter is a medium. I'm saying it's a genre of the medium of games.

You get what I mean?
Clearly, some misunderstanding took place.

But anime is just animation from Japan. All anime could just be called animation and the the only thing you'd lose from changing that word is the geographic origin.

It's not a genre because the term 'anime' tells you nothing about it's content other than the origin of the work.

 

[SomeOneInaHat]

A majority of Japanese games have been having a tough time getting there gameplay or story mechanics across because of pandering or cultural barrier. Ni no Kuni succeeds because Studio Gibli create work that's both beautiful and deeply satisfying, I want Japanese developers to create what they feel is crafted for what they enjoy without having to sell waifus or boobs to a slowly dwindling Japanese game market.

Here are some of the fine words from Ken Motomura about the family friendly combat system of Ni no Kuni.

Motomura-san: I was able to tune it in a way to allow a broad audience to be able to pick up and enjoy the game, but the initial intent of the battle system was to make it intuitive and fun. The element where you’re moving around the creatures and having control over them is a very fun experience that even younger audiences can enjoy. However, when you start get into the nitty-gritty strategy of battling you get a lot more involved. In that sense it is more for an experienced gamer.​

<link>
The interview also delves deeper into working with a dedicated and respected animation studio that is Studio Ghibli and the effects that had on the game. There is fine anime out there, you just have to dig through mountains of garbage to get to it.

 

[buddha0991]

I think the people who like things like Persona and don't like anime are able to like Persona because it is a game and not an anime. Though if they also somehow like the Persona animes, that would be silly.