Police in the UK have started/already do wear cameras on their uniform to record any goings on.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Police in the UK have started/already do wear cameras on their uniform to record any goings on.
its more important for US police lol, they're armed to the teeth...
Hmm. Something really needs to be done about how aggressive police are here in the US, how we deal with accountability for them, and the reasons why they seem to target and so forcefully deal with young black men. My opinion how is an unpopular one: increase funding for the department of justice so that they can more aggressively investigate state-level policing issues, and possibly even form a new department that oversees the state internal affairs divisions. Because whatever we're doing sure the fuck ain't working.
This shit needs to be standard. If they're on duty, they're recording.
Mrs. Manky
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Just make sure that said cameras are tamper proof and cannot be turned off. Because there have been incidents where cops have turned their body cameras off before beating people up.
That's an issue even with dashboard cams, where they'll turn off the dashboard camera before doing something they know is wrong. I don't know what the repercussions of doing that is, but it should be a felony.
Edit: Lmao edits are fun.
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/10/ferguson-police-officer-shoots-kills-teen-community-outraged/
Not seeing that he actually stole anything. His true crime? Walking in the street.
Not seeing that he actually stole anything. His true crime? Walking in the street.
Was the kid 18? I thought he was 17.
BobTheFork
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Well, that headline says teen, killed and community. That's a start.
If a suspect doesn't have a gun and they run away, you have to fucking catch them, not just fire because it's easier.
We certainly have the technology so that it should be widespread. The problem is that police departments are going to hem and haw if there becomes pressures for them to adopt it. I think it'll come, but unfortunately will take some time.
You could fix this by creating a command log for each camera. So if a cop turns it off the log will be time stamped and it will be noted that it was physically turned off. From a legal perspective you could put the burden of proof on the cop to prove why it turned off.
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What's it matter if they record if they're the ones with first access to the video. If the video was uploaded to some public domain/ftp/stream/whatever.. then sure.
Exactly. Needs to be on a cloud that a non corrupt party has ACCESS to.
NM already has cops losing the video footage after shooting 14 year old girls.
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Now think of the logistics of setting up such a system for every police force throughout the entire nation.
AlimNassor
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No, because Police tend to be over zealous and will often miss the target and kill some innocent person, but, the gunner will be absolutely fine. Police don't just fire 1 shot, they unload everything they have.
Alligatorjandro
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Fuck this shit.
The people need to do something to stop the thugs with shields.
The people need to do something to stop the thugs with shields.
gutter_trash
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http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/02/18/toronto_police_to_test_out_lapel_cameras.html
Toronto police to test out lapel cameras
some of you are jumpin too far ahead about Google glass when a lapel cam can do.
Some police forces are in talks of testing some out
Toronto police to test out lapel cameras
some of you are jumpin too far ahead about Google glass when a lapel cam can do.
Some police forces are in talks of testing some out
They've been tested- they sharply drop the number of complaints because they cause BOTH sides to behave better.
TheChocolateWar
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So what should police do then? Sit there and watch as he mows down hundreds of people?
The Technomancer
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One in which there are no consequences for this shit
The Lamonster
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Goddamn St. Louis. Not like this. We should be better than this.
The cases of innocent people being hit/killed are much lower than suspects being killed, so I'd say they're doing okay at containing their bullets so far. Deciding when to fire them is a whole different discussion, but when they do at least they're fairly accurate.
Did you read the article that you posted?
It may or may not have gone down that way, but if true it's very different than just "walking in the street".
So either the police is lying about the struggle over the officers weapon inside the car or the people who said on camera that the kid was executed for walking in the street. Tough call.
If there really was an assault happening inside the police cruiser, is there any chance that maybe the onboard camer recorded some of it, or atleast some audio?
If there really was an assault happening inside the police cruiser, is there any chance that maybe the onboard camer recorded some of it, or atleast some audio?
quik killa
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For the record, this story was just reported on by a national cable news channel.
Fox News
Gentleman Jack
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It's worth the investment of time and manpower if it yields fewer officers killing people with impunity and rebuilds the long lost trust between officers and the people they police.
Did you really need to spoiler tag this?
kame-sennin
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The people need to understand their situation before they can formulate a solution. The problem is that Americans think they are living in the most free nation on Earth. When people - black, latino, asian, and white - understand that they are living under an oppressive state (wherein police are the armed guards), then they can think about how to change their situation.
Unfortunately, this is a very truthful way of looking at this. But that does not mean we have to be prey forever.
No. This is how it begins.
At no point am I going to trust a fucking cop. Spoiler: I was a criminal Justice major in college. I was about four credits from my associates degree. I went on ride alongs. I saw way more of the other side. Fuck the cops. They are literally taught ways to fucking coerce confessions, trick you into surrendering your rights and a million of levels of bullshit. And I'm black! I'm 100% that there's insidious depths I can hardly imagine. No. I want the cameras on them, but I will never trust a fucking cop.
Supposedly the kid was being put into a squad car, and then up and bolted.
Ninja Scooter
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Whatever do you mea--oh.
Don't always agree with him but Bill Maher had a great bit on this a couple months ago on Real Time and how even though crime rates are lowering the police for some reason are arming themselves further and further, and how that might affect not only how people react to them but also how they react to the communities they are supposed to protect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syj_pVAQlxA
kame-sennin
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Whatever do you mea--oh.
Don't always agree with him but Bill Maher had a great bit on this a couple months ago on Real Time and how even though crime rates are lowering the police for some reason are arming themselves further and further, and how that might affect not only how people react to them but also how they react to the communities they are supposed to protect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syj_pVAQlxA
They're not arming themselves because of an increasing crime rate, they are arming themselves because of the increasing wealth gap.
Whatever do you mea--oh.
Don't always agree with him but Bill Maher had a great bit on this a couple months ago on Real Time and how even though crime rates are lowering the police for some reason are arming themselves further and further, and how that might affect not only how people react to them but also how they react to the communities they are supposed to protect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syj_pVAQlxA
I found this article interesting: http://www.theatlantic.com/national...-on-terror-has-militarized-the-police/248047/
It talks about how the so-called war on terror has converted the police from peace officers into soliders.
Of course he just wasn't just walking in the street and a cop decided to shoot him in the back. A shot inside the squad car would be very telling. But everyone who jumped to conclusions already has already made up their mind, because fuck the police.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Go pHuck yourself.
He was being sarcastic breh.
kame-sennin
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This is a revisionist argument used by liberals to criticize state overreach while still justifying the state's monopoly on violence. We know for a fact that the militarization of the police occurred in the late 1960's as a reaction to police departments then inability to deal with uprisings of the radical left.
Busting up unions:
the first actual SWAT-type operations were conducted north of Los Angeles in the farming community of Delano, California on the border between Kern and Tulare Counties in the San Joaquin Valley. At the time, César Chavez' United Farm Workers union was staging numerous protests in Delano, both at cold storage facilities and outside non-supportive farm workers' homes on city streets. The Delano Police Department responded by forming ad-hoc units using special weapons and tactics. Television news stations and print media carried live and delayed reportage of these events across the United States. Personnel from the LAPD, having seen these broadcasts, contacted Delano and inquired about the program. One officer then obtained permission to observe the Delano Police Department's special weapons and tactics units in action, and afterwards, he took what he had learned back to Los Angeles, where his knowledge was used and expanded on to form the LAPD's own first SWAT unit.
Fighting the Panthers:
The first significant deployment of the LAPD's SWAT unit was on December 9, 1969, in a four-hour confrontation with members of the Black Panthers. The Panthers eventually surrendered, with three Panthers and three officers being injured.
Also, fucking Daryl Gates:
Gates originally named the platoon "Special Weapons Assault Team"; however, this name was not generally favored and was rejected by his manager, deputy police chief Ed Davis, as sounding too much like a military organization. Wanting to keep the acronym "SWAT", Gates changed its expanded form to "special weapons and tactics".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT
The threat of terrorism was used by police, as it was used by espionage and other government agencies, to expand on what they were already doing and remove whatever bureaucratic obstacles that prevented them from doing whatever the fuck they wanted.
You're really out of control.
Lv99 Slacker
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Somebody here needs to keep a running list of all the news stories of unarmed black folk being manhandled, charged with felonies, or killed for no reason at all, or for incidences that don't match...the outcome. I've come across some wild stories here on GAF. Like the story in Florida about the young man and his "dehumanizing stare".
And, yes, cameras either on the dash or on the officers themselves need to become standard.
And, yes, cameras either on the dash or on the officers themselves need to become standard.
If some parts of the nation have police more well-equipped than soldiers, they can definitely do with a camera. The problem is getting them to agree to wear them...
hydragonwarrior
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Since police are a public service, and our taxes pay for them, why can't people talk to their politicians into making that change and have cops constantly be monitored while on duty?
And add a fine if their videos aren't on. The videos should also be streamed to the station and stored (because it'd be too easy for the policeman to try to erase the tape or some shit if he did something stupid)
And add a fine if their videos aren't on. The videos should also be streamed to the station and stored (because it'd be too easy for the policeman to try to erase the tape or some shit if he did something stupid)
Lord Fagan
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People already do this in a professional capacity. Even in single major cities on an annual basis, we're way beyond needing to collect more statistical evidence.
CliqWriter
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Feels like a part of your soul goes missing. Then you grow extreme dislike over time, story after story. Then its a part of you, no matter if you consciously think so or not.
In other words it sucks bro.
they're saying he was shot inside a cop car while fighting with the officer
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/st-louis-teen-police-shooting/13856377
Though I'm not sure how "One shot was fired inside the vehicle." jives w/ multiple gunshot wounds 35 feet away
Also, ever since reading that police grammar article, it really bothers me. "one shot was fired" -- did it fire itself?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/st-louis-teen-police-shooting/13856377
Though I'm not sure how "One shot was fired inside the vehicle." jives w/ multiple gunshot wounds 35 feet away
Also, ever since reading that police grammar article, it really bothers me. "one shot was fired" -- did it fire itself?
So if you were a cop, you would approach a guy holding a knife to arrest him after he refused to drop it?
You have to be pretty close to use pepper spray or tasers, and even those don't fully incapacitate the guy.
Seriously, we should.
My experience with St. Louis (my parents grew up there, my aunt and uncle still live there) is there is a lot of explicit racism. I'm not exactly sure why, but I can only stomach my uncle for short periods of time because of it.
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