Sony Gamescom: PS4 install base exceeded 10 million units sold through globally.

It has always be the same right? Every single generation. Heck I paid 600€ for a PS3 with no games. So what's the problem?

Sony won the gamers already. The gamers will win the generation with their qualified recommendations.

The problem is that there aren't really enough games to justify a purchase yet especially if a lot of those games can be played on older generation consoles. You also have pay at least $550-$600(maybe even more depending on what you want to buy on the ps4 right now) in Canada which is a huge investment right now especially if you look at the lineup of games for the ps4 I expect a lot more people to buy either of the xb1 or ps4 in about a year or two once more software releases that justifies buying either of the consoles. The hardware numbers are good for sony right now, but I hope there is at least some more games in the future that justify a purchase of a ps4 eventually.
 
The current gen version of BF4 allows 64 player games of conquest as opposed to 32. It is not just the graphics.
However, based on how fast ps4 versions have moved up the sales charts and how fast last gen versions dropped, I would say many people think it is reason enough. Take a look at the sales breakdown charts in the Ubisoft financial report thread. It is amazing to compare the percentage changes.

I already know battlefield supports 64 players in multiplayer. What I am saying is that only a few games like battlefield justify why you need to buy either of the next gen consoles if you just don't care about a resolution or framerate bump.
 
The problem is that there aren't really enough games to justify a purchase yet especially if a lot of those games can be played on older generation consoles. You also have pay at least $550-$600(maybe even more depending on what you want to buy on the ps4 right now) in Canada which is a huge investment right now especially if you look at the lineup of games for the ps4 I expect a lot more people to buy either of the xb1 or ps4 in about a year or two once more software releases that justifies buying either of the consoles. The hardware numbers are good for sony right now, but I hope there is at least some more games in the future that justify a purchase of a ps4 eventually.

I can guarantee 100% there will be more PS4 games in the future.
 
... he says in a thread that announced an unprecedented amount of sold-throughs in the first 9 months of a console's release.

I'm happy that the ps4 sold this much, but some people may have a different opinion than the majority of people which is what I'm trying to say.
 
I'm happy that the ps4 sold this much, but some people may have a different opinion than the majority of people which is what I'm trying to say.
Dude, that is absolutely fine. Don't ever buy it if you don't think it provides value to you or your peers.

But you keep using these generalized statements that are just dumb given the actual circumstance of the sales of this thing.
 
The problem is that there aren't really enough games to justify a purchase yet especially if a lot of those games can be played on older generation consoles.

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I have a PS4... every time I show a game to some one and say look here is a new shiny console. The answer is oh yah, I have seen Towerfall on Ouya, Fez on 360, Last of Us on PS3, Destiny beta on 360.. It was never this hard to demo a console before.

When I first showed Gears on 360, Halo on OG Xbox, GT3 on PS2, FF on PS1.. The answer was "wow.. I have never seen this before". Even on PS3, the first game I showed my wife was Ratchet and she said.. "This looks like Pixar movie and not the polygonal ratchet you used to play on PS2".
Yeah..... sure....

And btw.:
How about buying/showing the exclusive games next time?
 
PS4 has no games is basically a creatively bankrupt notion carried over from early PS3 era fanboy wars.

It's basically people being haters but putting no effort into their hate so they rehash jokes that have no basis in reality anymore.

As a person who lives in Japan, from my perspective it is absolutely true that PS4 has no games. I can see how it sells in the west, and it is also true that Japan does not matter to overall sales (nor does Sony care about us at all). But it is misleading to say that the only reason people are saying "PS4 has no games" are haters regurgitating tired lines from the PS3 era.

The complete lack of certain types of games from a particular region is of great concern, and just because you are fine with those games missing doesn't mean others are, and it certainly does not make them fanboys.
 
As a person who lives in Japan, from my perspective it is absolutely true that PS4 has no games. I can see how it sells in the west, and it is also true that Japan does not matter to overall sales (nor does Sony care about us at all). But it is misleading to say that the only reason people are saying "PS4 has no games" are haters regurgitating tired lines from the PS3 era.

The complete lack of certain types of games from a particular region is of great concern, and just because you are fine with those games missing doesn't mean others are, and it certainly does not make them fanboys.
And I submit to you that it would better to actually communicate your displeasure by saying that your tastes in games isn't represented on the console instead of saying "PS4 has no gaemz".

The former is absolutely fine while the latter is the ultimate retardation of communication.
 
As a person who lives in Japan, from my perspective it is absolutely true that PS4 has no games. I can see how it sells in the west, and it is also true that Japan does not matter to overall sales (nor does Sony care about us at all). But it is misleading to say that the only reason people are saying "PS4 has no games" are haters regurgitating tired lines from the PS3 era.

The complete lack of certain types of games from a particular region is of great concern, and just because you are fine with those games missing doesn't mean others are, and it certainly does not make them fanboys.

No Japanese games /= no games.
 
Not exactly a fair comparison considering their are 8 Xbone SKU's on Amazon to the PS4's two. Not saying the thirst isn't real, but just saying.

I'm really interested to see how the PS4 does going forward and whether or not they keep up the momentum, they are in uncharted territory with how well this console has been doing!

It has never left the top 20 sinced it launched. Yeah the XB1 has many SKU's, but none of them are ever in the top 20. Until now anyway. Here are the total sales charts so far-

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar


People say Amazon is not a true representation of overall sales. That's true but it's the same story at bestbuy-

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemp...3&usc=abcat0700000&browsedCategory=&gf=y&cp=1


Gamestop is the same too i think.


IMO. I think just from those alone you can tell when the general trend is.


Ok what the hell is NAtURAL DOCtRINE & why is it so high on the chart? did I miss a demo or something?

First time i'm hearing about that game. I have no idea.
 
Yeah..... sure....

And btw.:
How about buying/showing the exclusive games next time?

Killzone Shadow fall, Knack ??. Really I tried showing KZ:SF.. most of the people start sleeping by the time I just wander around levels going left, right, left, right, right left.

Other than Infamous:SS .. what else that came from Sony is good so far ?
 
It has never left the top 20 sinced it launched. Yeah the XB1 has many SKU's, but none of them are ever in the top 20. Until now anyway. Here are the total sales charts so far-

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar


People say Amazon is not a true representation of overall sales. That's true but it's the same story at bestbuy-

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemp...3&usc=abcat0700000&browsedCategory=&gf=y&cp=1


Gamestop is the same too i think.


IMO. I think just from those alone you can tell when the general trend is.




First time i'm hearing about that game. I have no idea.

It's a brutal-ass SPRG; cross-gen with Vita and PS3.
 
I already know that. I just hope more next gen only games don't get delayed.

But it's normal that they get delayed right?

Why would somebody launch a game with a lower user base if there's no need and no pressure?

Why would Sony put pressure on developers if there's no competition?
 
It has never left the top 20 sinced it launched. Yeah the XB1 has many SKU's, but none of them are ever in the top 20. Until now anyway. Here are the total sales charts so far-

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar


People say Amazon is not a true representation of overall sales. That's true but it's the same story at bestbuy-

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemp...3&usc=abcat0700000&browsedCategory=&gf=y&cp=1


Gamestop is the same too i think.


IMO. I think just from those alone you can tell when the general trend is.




First time i'm hearing about that game. I have no idea.


Yup, and those will quickly drop out of the top 20 within a week. I'm interested in the SO bundle's performance though
 
Killzone Shadow fall, Knack ??. Really I tried showing KZ:SF.. most of the people start sleeping by the time I just wander around levels going left, right, left, right, right left.

Other than Infamous:SS .. what else that came from Sony is good so far ?

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So Ps4 haz no gaemes but is still clobbering the competition. So once the big guns come out in a few months from Sony, the competition stands even less of a chance? :p
 
And I submit to you that it would better to actually communicate your displeasure by saying that your tastes in games isn't represented on the console instead of saying "PS4 has no gaemz".

The former is absolutely fine while the latter is the ultimate retardation of communication.

I believe that "has no games" has always been synonymous with "has no games that I like". I won't disagree that it may be a poor way of communicating, but it was also a poor way of communicating for any system it was ever said about, as every system has had some games.

However, stating that my or some people's tastes aren't represented isn't quite doing the problem justice, an entire region's tastes aren't represented. I already acknowledged that this does not appear to be a problem for Sony financially, but it definitely isn't doing them any good when it comes to mindshare back home, or for those who like Japanese games.
 
I have a PS4... every time I show a game to some one and say look here is a new shiny console. The answer is oh yah, I have seen Towerfall on Ouya, Fez on 360, Last of Us on PS3, Destiny beta on 360.. It was never this hard to demo a console before.

When I first showed Gears on 360, Halo on OG Xbox, GT3 on PS2, FF on PS1.. The answer was "wow.. I have never seen this before". Even on PS3, the first game I showed my wife was Ratchet and she said.. "This looks like Pixar movie and not the polygonal ratchet you used to play on PS2".

You can try showing Guilty Gear Xrd next! Especially if you are one of those 'gameplay is everything' player.
 
But it's normal that they get delayed right?

Why would somebody launch a game with a lower user base if there's no need and no pressure?

Why would Sony put pressure on developers if there's no competition?

I don't think sony will put pressure on the developers anyway since I don't want buggy or broken games to be released.
 
So Ps4 haz no gaemes but is still clobbering the competition. So once the big guns come out in a few months from Sony, the competition stands even less of a chance? :p

Because it is the same status on Xbone too. Titanfall pretty much looked and played like 360 game. Both MS and Sony needs to step up the game. It has already been a year. They better deliver on 2015. Forget cross-gen, vita ports, ps3/360 ports. Make some truly standout games that needs 8GB RAM, Tflops of GPU ..
 
hmm.... gameongreggy@PRmax.com.

I don't think breakage is much of an issues since replacements don't count as sold through and often only account for 1%-3% of total units shipped. It's silly to think it would have a significant impact on the numbers. It'd be silly if MS counted 360 RROD refurbs as part of their units sold through.

Is he really that person? That would be shady as fuck!
 
Because it is the same status on Xbone too. Titanfall pretty much looked and played like 360 game. Both MS and Sony needs to step up the game. It has already been a year. They better deliver on 2015. Forget cross-gen, vita ports, ps3/360 ports. Make some truly standout games that needs 8GB RAM, Tflops of GPU ..

I don't get this post. You're saying MS has the same problem that Sony does and yet PS4 is likely double or close to double the sales of the XB1. I don't understand how they can have the same problem, that problem be incredibly significant to their continued success and have two wildly different sets of results
 
So Ps4 haz no gaemes but is still clobbering the competition. So once the big guns come out in a few months from Sony, the competition stands even less of a chance? :p

They fail to realize that the no games statement only make things look even worse for the Xbox One because PS4 is kicking it's ass even without Sony pulling out it's big hitters.
 
They say all consoles are created ayqual, but you look at PS4 and you look at Xbone, and you can see that statement is NOT true. See normally if they go one on one with another console you gotta fifty/fifty chance a winnin. But PS4 is a gigaflop freak, and it's not normal. So Xbone got a twenty five percent, at best, at beatin PS4. Then you add WiiU to the mix? Xbone's chances a winnin drastically go down. See the three way at WW sales, you gotta thirty three and a third chance a winnin, but PS4 got a sixty six and two third chance a winnin, cause WiiU KNOWS it can't beat PS4, and it's not even gonna try. So Xbone, you take your thirty three and a third chance, minus PS4's twenty five percent chance, and you got an 8 and a third chance a winnin, at WW sales. But then you take PS4's seventy five percent chance a winnin, if it was to go one on one, and then add sixty six and two thirds ch-...percents...PS4 got a hundred an forty one an two thirds chance a winnin at WW sales. See X-...Xbone! The numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you, at WW sales.
 
They say all consoles are created ayqual, but you look at PS4 and you look at Xbone, and you can see that statement is NOT true. See normally if they go one on one with another console you gotta fifty/fifty chance a winnin. But PS4 is a gigaflop freak, and it's not normal. So Xbone got a twenty five percent, at best, at beatin PS4. Then you add WiiU to the mix? Xbone's chances a winnin drastically go down. See the three way at WW sales, you gotta thirty three and a third chance a winnin, but PS4 got a sixty six and two third chance a winnin, cause WiiU KNOWS it can't beat PS4, and it's not even gonna try. So Xbone, you take your thirty three and a third chance, minus PS4's twenty five percent chance, and you got an 8 and a third chance a winnin, at WW sales. But then you take PS4's seventy five percent chance a winnin, if it was to go one on one, and then add sixty six and two thirds ch-...percents...PS4 got a hundred an forty one an two thirds chance a winnin at WW sales. See X-...Xbone! The numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you, at WW sales.

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I think disconnect between the success of the PS4 and people's assumptions that it doesn't deserve its success because it has no games has to do with people on GAF (and in the gaming media) being obsessed with the notion that first-party titles/exclusives are the definitive system sellers.

Yearly franchise blockbusters are regularly disregarded on this forum as being "same old shit" but it is precisely those games that are selling the new generation systems. 10M people aren't buying the PS4 to play Infamous, Killzone, or whatever indie exclusives Sony can round up. They're buying it for Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Madden, FIFA, and soon Destiny.

I think people are just severely overestimating the power of an exclusive game, especially in relation to Playstation/Sony, which has had the weakest first-party (in terms of sales) for some time now (Edit: Possibly not true). People wanted a next-gen system to play their favorite 3rd-party games with higher image fidelity and simply chose PS4 over XBO for any number of obvious reasons (price difference, dislike for Kinect, DRM fiasco, XBL/TV services being heavily catered to USA/UK, ect.)
 
I haven't been on this thread in 24 hours, has open_mouth_ been banned yet? If not has he posted any more classics?
 
They say all consoles are created ayqual, but you look at PS4 and you look at Xbone, and you can see that statement is NOT true. See normally if they go one on one with another console you gotta fifty/fifty chance a winnin. But PS4 is a gigaflop freak, and it's not normal. So Xbone got a twenty five percent, at best, at beatin PS4. Then you add WiiU to the mix? Xbone's chances a winnin drastically go down. See the three way at WW sales, you gotta thirty three and a third chance a winnin, but PS4 got a sixty six and two third chance a winnin, cause WiiU KNOWS it can't beat PS4, and it's not even gonna try. So Xbone, you take your thirty three and a third chance, minus PS4's twenty five percent chance, and you got an 8 and a third chance a winnin, at WW sales. But then you take PS4's seventy five percent chance a winnin, if it was to go one on one, and then add sixty six and two thirds ch-...percents...PS4 got a hundred an forty one an two thirds chance a winnin at WW sales. See X-...Xbone! The numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you, at WW sales.

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People people people, when you say ps4 has no games please say that it has no games that YOU WAN! The reason ps4 is selling is pretty obvious, its the choice for the third party games and ps4 exclusives and indies. It has variety. I personally have bought more games during launch of ps4 then during any other console launch. I have indies, f2p, AAA games. The exclusives that you guys keep talking about come year 2 and 3. Its like you guys never been in a console launch before.
 
Because it is the same status on Xbone too. Titanfall pretty much looked and played like 360 game. Both MS and Sony needs to step up the game. It has already been a year. They better deliver on 2015. Forget cross-gen, vita ports, ps3/360 ports. Make some truly standout games that needs 8GB RAM, Tflops of GPU ..

This..... post. It makes not really much sense for several reasons.
The PS4 is out for ~9 months and has tons of games already.
"Games that needs 8GB RAM, Tflops of GPU"? What?
Seems like you simply have a different taste in games. Too bad.
 
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