Doctor Doom is an anti-social computer programmer in the upcoming Fantastic Four film

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I can only imagine they're doing this to be as completely different as possible from the previous movies. Otherwise, they're insane and incompetent rather than just being incompetent.
 
geomon said:
I can only imagine they're doing this to be as completely different as possible from the previous movies. Otherwise, they're insane and incompetent rather than just being incompetent.
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Or it's all out of spite, with the knowledge that even if the movie doesn't break any records they'll get their money back and to keep the franchise longer.

J10 said:
I bet Doom is a brony, too.
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So the final act would be Dr Doom vs Rainbow Dash in a race?

.... the fuck?
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
As I've said before, there are many ways this casting could have been more impactful.

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All of those would have been more interesting than simply saying, oh, he's adopted or just hand-waving it. If you're not going to do anything interesting with him being black, you may as well have just left him white, otherwise it just reeks of tokenism.
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The reason Johnny Storm is black is because Josh Trank wants Michael B. Jordan to be the lead in his superhero movie. That's not tokenism. It's the opposite, in fact. They didn't change the race of Johnny Storm because they thought it'd be a nice bone to throw at the audience. They changed the race of Johnny Storm because the guy this director wanted to play Johnny Storm is a black guy.

Jordan was THE first person hired on the film. He was the first piece in place. The movie is literally being built AROUND him. Granted, it appears to be a not great movie based on what little we've seen and the change to Doctor Doom's character. But that doesn't change the fact this is a Michael B. Jordan movie, for all intents and purposes.

It's also weird to suggest they're not going to do anything interesting with him when Johnny Storm is likely going to be, for the first time, THE focal point of a Fantastic Four adaptation, as part of a multi-racial family. Sounds interesting to me in comparison to Johnny being a privileged smartass who just fucks around all day.
 
Ugh, this is going to be Green Lantern levels of bad, isn't it?
 
J10 said:
Nobody at Fox reads comics. They don't know who Mad Thinker is.
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Looks like they barely read the wiki entry.

commanderpepper said:
When I think of anti-social I think of a person who isn't able to communicate with others. It's not that they want to be anti-social, they just have a problem talking with others. The Doom I think of has no problem with communicating with others.
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yeah Doom has no problem getting his point across. He just thinks everyone is beneath him.

Mengy said:
Ugh, this is going to be Green Lantern levels of bad, isn't it?
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Looks like Green Lantern level is out of their grasp.
 
commanderpepper said:
When I think of anti-social I think of a person who isn't able to communicate with others. It's not that they want to be anti-social, they just have a problem talking with others. The Doom I think of has no problem with communicating with others.
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You don't get to smash Morgan Le Fay by being antisocial.
 
Suddenly the 2005 film doesn't seem that bad.

Never in a million years did I think that I would say that...

Mengy said:
Ugh, this is going to be Green Lantern levels of bad, isn't it?
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This film may make Green Lantern look like The Dark Knight in comparison...
 
Sinatar said:
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I'm there day one.
 
No no, it's grim, it's gritty, it's realistic. When times get tough, you need more than one. More than two or even three.

FOUR

Coming to theaters in 2016.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
The reason Johnny Storm is black is because Josh Trank wants Michael B. Jordan to be the lead in his superhero movie. That's not tokenism. It's the opposite, in fact. They didn't change the race of Johnny Storm because they thought it'd be a nice bone to throw at the audience. They changed the race of Johnny Storm because the guy this director wanted to play Johnny Storm is a black guy.

Jordan was THE first person hired on the film. He was the first piece in place. The movie is literally being built AROUND him. Granted, it appears to be a not great movie based on what little we've seen and the change to Doctor Doom's character. But that doesn't change the fact this is a Michael B. Jordan movie, for all intents and purposes.

It's also weird to suggest they're not going to do anything interesting with him when Johnny Storm is likely going to be, for the first time, THE focal point of a Fantastic Four adaptation, as part of a multi-racial family. Sounds interesting to me in comparison to Johnny being a privileged smartass who just fucks around all day.
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there is nothing here to suggest that this will be their approach.


As you suggest, Jordan could have been hired because Trank wanted to work with again. Also possible he had a studio deal with Fox. Probably both.
 
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
Nobody seemed to care that sue and johnny were different races when it was jessica alba playing sue.
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To most of the movie-going public, Jessica Alba is white.

BobbyRoberts said:
The reason Johnny Storm is black is because Josh Trank wants Michael B. Jordan to be the lead in his superhero movie. That's not tokenism. It's the opposite, in fact. They didn't change the race of Johnny Storm because they thought it'd be a nice bone to throw at the audience. They changed the race of Johnny Storm because the guy this director wanted to play Johnny Storm is a black guy.

Jordan was THE first person hired on the film. He was the first piece in place. The movie is literally being built AROUND him. Granted, it appears to be a not great movie based on what little we've seen and the change to Doctor Doom's character. But that doesn't change the fact this is a Michael B. Jordan movie, for all intents and purposes.

It's also weird to suggest they're not going to do anything interesting with him when Johnny Storm is likely going to be, for the first time, THE focal point of a Fantastic Four adaptation, as part of a multi-racial family. Sounds interesting to me in comparison to Johnny being a privileged smartass who just fucks around all day.
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If you're going to put your foot down on a black Johnny Storm, you'd think common sense would dictate a black Sue.

And when is Johnny not the focal point of the last two movies? He steals the show in the first movie (both on screen and in-universe), he's the only one who confronts the Silver Surfer 1 on 1, and he gets the Super Skrull powerup to take on cosmic Doom.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
Jordan was THE first person hired on the film. He was the first piece in place. The movie is literally being built AROUND him. Granted, it appears to be a not great movie based on what little we've seen and the change to Doctor Doom's character. But that doesn't change the fact this is a Michael B. Jordan movie, for all intents and purposes.

It's also weird to suggest they're not going to do anything interesting with him when Johnny Storm is likely going to be, for the first time, THE focal point of a Fantastic Four adaptation, as part of a multi-racial family. Sounds interesting to me in comparison to Johnny being a privileged smartass who just fucks around all day.
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Even if this was true, then you'd still have the problem of Victor. Victor is a foil to Reed, just as Reed is a foil to him. It is a battle of the minds. Johnny is a powerhouse, not a thinker.

Putting Johnny in focus is fine, but victor is the worst possible villain for him.
 
Nesotenso said:
there is nothing here to suggest that this will be their approach.
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The fact he was first hired and the movie was then built around him suggests it pretty strongly, I'd argue. You'd have to counter-argue that the movie is trying to be a more faithful representation of the Fantastic Four and the normal team dynamics that go along with that.

I don't think that's what we're getting, obviously.

Sho_Nuff82 said:
And when is Johnny not the focal point of the last two movies? He steals the show
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If he was the focal point there'd be no show for him to steal. He'd have already had it. The fact he "stole the show" in the first place says he wasn't the focus.

Again - it's hard to argue that this is tokenism when the director made a choice to build the movie around the black actor, as opposed to keeping the character a sidekick and just turning him black to shut up any possible critics.
 
Mariolee said:
DEPRESSINGLY REALISTIC FOUR
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Saddled with six digit student loan debt, Reed Richards graduates from college. He creates his own tech startup, which fails within a year. Unable to get a job in his field, he works a soul crushing McJob. Declares bankruptcy by the time he's 30. Turns to drugs and booze to kill the pain of his various failures.

Sue Storm followed Reed out to California. To pay for college she tried to break into show business, ended up doing porn. Dropped out of college after being "outed" as a porn star.

Growing up in poverty Benjamin Grimm turned to a life of crime by joining the Yancy Street Gang. Benjamin eventually became their leader until he was paralyzed following a gang shooting.

Johnny Storm, always a fearless kid, tried to save a family from a burning building. He burned to death in the process.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
The fact he was first hired and the movie was built around him suggests it pretty strongly, I'd argue.
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I would say that he was locked down first because
a) already worked with Trank
b) Fox exercised the option they had on him after Chronicle

not because this is a vehicle designed for him.
 
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