I was thinking about this myself. If Steve's old now then this is after he returned from his trip through the Time Gem and he's already delivered the order to hunt down the Illuminati, but there's Tony, Bruce and Hank right there fighting alongside the rest of the Avengers and no one's saying shit. There's not one acknowledgement of events in Hickman's series and it's kind of irking me.
Avengers & X-Men: AXIS (OT) The Red Onslaught
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I was thinking about this myself. If Steve's old now then this is after he returned from his trip through the Time Gem and he's already delivered the order to hunt down the Illuminati, but there's Tony, Bruce and Hank right there fighting alongside the rest of the Avengers and no one's saying shit. There's not one acknowledgement of events in Hickman's series and it's kind of irking me.
From reading most of his Marvel stuff, Remender doesn't really seem to pay attention to books that aren't his unless mandated to by editorial.
exmachina64
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To be fair, his power levels and what he can do depend on who's writing.
This is the biggest problem I had in issue #1.
Supermanisdead
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Man, fuck the Avengers. The X-Men are much more equipped to deal with Red Skull. They have a fucking mutant prison in the middle of the Canadian wilderness AND they have Emma Frost (who's powers are back to full strength), Rachel Grey, Jean Grey, The Stepford Cuckoos and Quentin Quire to hold down for telepathic strength. They've got a fucking teleporter who can send people to hell with the snap of a finger.
Meanwhile the Avengers have uh... the guy who just got mind controlled into building adamantium sentinels and a tower in the middle of the most populated city in the country. What a fucking joke of a team.
Havok was right. The Avengers are just the same "my way or the highway" assholes as they've always been.
Meanwhile the Avengers have uh... the guy who just got mind controlled into building adamantium sentinels and a tower in the middle of the most populated city in the country. What a fucking joke of a team.
Havok was right. The Avengers are just the same "my way or the highway" assholes as they've always been.
Because every few years Marvel feels they need to force reveal yet another evil action into Xavier's past. The dude might as well be a super villain by now.
"Oh by the way I married Mystique and forgot to tell you."
exmachina64
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Has it even been explained how or why they got married?
"I know you tried to kill my students and I many times over the last fifteen years, but I've fallen hopelessly in love with you."
Edit: Shit like this is why I'm fine with a potential reboot.
I think the characters acting like that was kinda the point.
They're acting like that because the inversion and Apocalypse/Evan has the ability to shapeshift so its not really all that big of a matter.
exmachina64
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Anyone pick up #4 yet? First issue I enjoyed. Thought I'd hate the Kluh, but I enjoyed his "debut."
I really liked the issue and all of the ideas that sounded weird at first are coming off well.
I found this issue to be entirely unreadable. Everything's a caricature, and not the 'subtle' shift that was promised to us when they were promoting this event.
Supermanisdead
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What the hell happened to issue 4??? That was some of the trashiest, laziest garbage I've read in a Marvel comic since Kyle & Yost's X-Force. I get that it's an inversion thing, but lmao, that was just so unbelievably dumb.
Memento Mori
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So locking Red Skull up in Avengers Tower was a great idea.
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It really should be though. Him popping up in full Apocalypse mode right after the Inversion and everyone being cool with it was weird as fuck.
"Hey Evan, why did you just take the form of the thing you're terrified of becoming?"
I dunno, Quentin lent me his Ayn Rand books. Social darwinism is pretty neat, I guess.
"Okay, cool."
E the Shaggy
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Honestly, I hope after Secret Wars, Marvel takes a long break from these events because this one is just continuing the steady stream of crossovers that just aren't working for me.
Manmademan
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I'm on board with this.
spoilers for #4:
continuing the "no one notices that evan is Apocalypse now", none of the other Xmen who WERENT inverted seem to be batting an eye at "clearly apocalypse now, big A on his belt and everything" Evan and the rest of the Xmen uniting under the premise of "survival of the fittest." Everyone is just rolling with it like "oh, is this what we're doing this week? war on the humans? ok"
this is a bad event.
Really felt like Remender was phoning this one in which was not what I was expecting. The entire time I was waiting for the moment when the issue would stop feeling so limp and it never happened. Not giving up just yet but not as high on Axis as I was at the beginning.
Dude at my LCS gave this look like "prepare for disappointment."
exmachina64
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With the potential for a complete reboot coming up, I'm in full
"You want to have a feeble-minded Hulk be 'Banner' and have his own Hulk when he gets sad? Sure, why not!"
Kind of hoping Marvel goes crazy and kills everyone.
Yeah, fuck it. Let's throw all our character development and continuity away and have a fun, mindless romp. We already know how the broad strokes of how it ends thanks to Time Runs Out.
But I did enjoy this issue more, Remender dealt with far fewer characters.
To whatever extent this story was dictated by editorial
a large part
I'm not going to bother to go back and see if specific adult X-Men were there, but I think the students were weirded out as fuck. Really inconsistent though since in that X-Men tie-in issue where Quentin
goes to the Hellfire Club
Manmademan
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I think the major ones were mostly there- storm, cyclops, havok, iceman, nightcrawler, kitty, etc-
but that scene in #4 CLEARLY had about 100 people in that audience and only
magneto
Cyclops' students over in Uncanny were about to revolt over having to fight *simulations* of the Avengers in whatever danger room they have over there. Having the students and B-list Xmen just "go along with"
the return of apocalypse and outright genocide
BenjaminBirdie
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exmachina64
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Mageto
If you think of Cyclops as a generic hero, then his inversion works, but mutant revolution Cyclops was already gearing up for war. For me, Magneto's characterization is all over the place in current continuity. However, I can see what his inversion is now and why he walked out. Going into the series, I was expecting a return to Uncanny X-Men #1 Magneto.
Oh, God. The inversion is real.
Manmademan
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yep. check it again. he's walking away from the stage, not towards it. The students all have their backs to him and he's leaving.
exmachina64
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Yep, you're right.
exmachina64
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It's probably against TOS to post a screenshot from the digital version, but
on stage with Apocalypse and the rest of the X-Men
Oh man, he's right there :lol How did I miss that?
Also, the KLUH dialog is so terrible.
Also, the KLUH dialog is so terrible.
Yeah that KLUH shit ruined the issue. So dumb. Everything else was pretty good. Jarvis standing up against the Avengers.
Jarvis probably let the Red Skull escape during the commotion.
Or maybe Jarvis is Inverted Red Skull using his psychic abilities to make them all think it's Jarvis.
Or maybe Jarvis is Inverted Red Skull using his psychic abilities to make them all think it's Jarvis.
No need to spoil speculation. I don't think they'd go the route of having Jarvis betray the team again after Secret Invasion.
Zeus Molecules
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we have 5 issues to go so I will give remenders the benefit of the doubt,
... so idk
but its insane to me that so many X-Men who weren't inverted would be cool with following apocalypse. Then again they just saw Genosha mutant death camps and he hasn't said much beyond what scott said at utopia.
I've been totally lost. No clue what's going on.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
ok read it again
and it looks like inverted Magneto got up and left after the Apocalypse speech.... maybe their were mutants in those camps than was properly explained? Maybe all the major mutants were in them and remender didn't show/explain that fact
Today I excitedly picked up the first issue of Captain America and the Mighty Avengers. I had really enjoyed the brief run of Luke Cage's new team and was expecting this new series to be on par.
Then along comes fucking Axis. I can't get behind Cap's inversion and I'm annoyed by the continual disregard for continuity. It's like there are two Marvel universes at the moment and they just don't mesh.
I guess I'll buy the second issue, see how it goes, but I think I'm just gonna have to stop reading everything but Spiderverse and Hickman's Avengers books. Urgh.
Then along comes fucking Axis. I can't get behind Cap's inversion and I'm annoyed by the continual disregard for continuity. It's like there are two Marvel universes at the moment and they just don't mesh.
I guess I'll buy the second issue, see how it goes, but I think I'm just gonna have to stop reading everything but Spiderverse and Hickman's Avengers books. Urgh.
BenjaminBirdie
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this really inverted from a shitty last issue to something fun and great this week
Yeah-this week was finally something fun. Nova and Spidey on the run was great.
I think a lot of the confusion stems from people not realizing that what's going on in the Hickman books is 8 months after Axis.
Supermanisdead
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Well, I guess issue 5 was better than 4, but the whole concept of this event is really fucking dumb.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
wait
are you saying heroes should have thought evan was a bad idea or readers should have?
EITHER way Evan rules and Wolvie's (RIP!!!!!) justification was airtight.
Supermanisdead
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Yeah, the whole concept of Kluh is just plain DUMB. Name, design, writing, everything. Remender, what are you doing......
Evenpocalypse is really stupid too. Like, why didn't any of the other 200 X-Men do anything to stop these psychos?
Evenpocalypse is really stupid too. Like, why didn't any of the other 200 X-Men do anything to stop these psychos?
E the Shaggy
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Paul Jenkins had a run on Hulk in the late 90s where he introduced the idea that Banner had severe personality disorders, with each of the major Hulks we had seen up to this point were representations of Bruce's life.
Savage Hulk was his childhood, Mr. Fixit/Grey Hulk was his teenage years, and the smart Hulk was his adult years. In Banner's psyche, there was a Hulk who represented Bruce's hate of the world and his need to take out his anger on everyone who had wronged him. This Hulk was called "Devil Hulk" and goofy as the name may be, the idea that there was this evil thing inside Banner that needed to be kept under lock and key was pretty cool.
I suppose Kluh is supposed to be that, but he looks MUCH dumber as the original version was pretty damn scary and looked like a snake.
Clue.
Supermanisdead
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like bruh with a kl
I get all that and the idea of "The Hulk's hulk" isn't automatically bad, but when Kluh starts yelling about the size of his dumps I start to wonder if Remender is fucking with us.
BenjaminBirdie
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We'll never know until it's in a movie and even then I'll disagree. (It will always be mag-NEH-to to me.)
mag·ne·to
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noun
noun: magneto; plural noun: magnetos
a small electric generator containing a permanent magnet and used to provide high-voltage pulses, especially (formerly) in the ignition systems of internal combustion engines.
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