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[dark10x]

Yep. Don't care how cheap it is to get one. I can't think of a single modern electronic device that doesn't come with a charging cable out of the box.

Seriously. Even dirt cheap sub-$50 Android tablets come with a charger.

Can anyone think of any other device that doesn't include a necessary power cable or some way to power it? This isn't really comparable to a "batteries not included" situation. There's nothing else like this on the market these days.

 

[nelchaar]

What? The new 3ds XL doesn't come with an adapter? As a person thinking of buying my first 3ds.. Wtf?!! Screw that. Fuck off Nintendo.

 

[Zombie James]

Really? You've never received a new toy when you were a kid that didn't come with batteries, and required you to buy them separately?

Come on, now we're just getting ridiculous here.

Good thing it's 2015.

 

[Derpyduck]

Fuck the over-reacting hyperbole over people complaining about a <$5 charger. Would everyone be complaining if the N3DS was $5 more expensive with a charger? Probably not, but this alternative is actually better. jesus.

And another corporate apologist stands up and is counted.

 

[jello44]

What? The new 3ds XL doesn't come with an adapter? As a person thinking of buying my first 3ds.. Wtf?!! Screw that. Fuck off Nintendo.

Just imagine how Joe Consumer who isn't in the know is going to feel.

 

[Ponn]

bullshit answer

seriously name me an device that doesn't come with a charging cable

My $20 Nokia Lumia came with a charger AND a usb cable.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Really? You've never received a new toy when you were a kid that didn't come with batteries, and required you to buy them separately?

Come on, now we're just getting ridiculous here.

Yes, I have. Back in the 90s. The New 3DS is a consumer electronics device released in 2015. Can you now name consumer electronics devices that requires a charger but does not come with one?

There's nothing ridiculous about anything I said.

 

[Petrie]

Just imagine how Joe Consumer who isn't in the know is going to feel.

Hopefully they read the front of the box.

 

[flozuki]

Yep. Don't care how cheap it is to get one. I can't think of a single modern electronic device that doesn't come with a charging cable out of the box.

Speaking for Europe: It seems the majority of smartphones in 2015 will be sold without. Companies (except Apple) agreed on the same standard. Perhaps the wrong place but it is time to get more cautious with plastic garbage.

 

[Doukou]

What a strange thing for people to defend.

Well, I hope American retailers are prepared for the high % of units that will be returned when customers don't have a charger included and assume that the product they bought is defective.

Those poor employees going have to explain to parents that they have to purchase the charger separately, even worse if they don't have any in stock.

 

[Omegasquash]

Classic. I'm slowly starting to not care that much, even though they're doing something that's very clearly trying to squeeze an extra buck out of me. Not raising the price on the system, just separating necessary components.

I don't like how it smells, and I hope it's received poorly, but at the end of the day I doubt it'll make that big of a difference. I still don't really want to buy it because of this. Just feels wrong.

 

[Mzo]

Not to defend them, it's definitely a shit move here in the US, but Nintendo hasn't included an AC adapter for their systems in Japan since, like, the Famicom.

 

[dark10x]

Hopefully they read the front of the box.

So they could release a 3DS, remove the screen, and force users to buy said screen separately provided it was labeled on the box? Maybe sell the buttons separately? You might not need all of them, after all.

Not to defend them, it's definitely a shit move here in the US, but Nintendo hasn't included an AC adapter for their systems in Japan since, like, the Famicom.

I was under the impression that, in Japan, this had something to do with taxation or something. Not that it excuses the situation.

It's 2015, though, and even the cheapest of the cheap consumer electronics come with a way to charge or power themselves.

 

[Seik]

Really? You've never received a new toy when you were a kid that didn't come with batteries, and required you to buy them separately?

Come on, now we're just getting ridiculous here.

Dude, dude...

You're making a fool of yourself, seriously. It angers me to see people defending such shit.

Any device with a Ion battery must come with an AC adapter, it's like, basic thinking stuff. This just feels scummy as fuck to make people buy one separately.

They should've just slapped one in and raise the price 5$-10$ more, holy shit.

 

[LiK]

No regular size is stupid. Other regions have it except us.

 

[flozuki]

You'd be surprised how many normal customers wont notice it until after purchase, or even after getting back home.

And they can get their money back. It was the first thing I realized when looking at the box.

 

[Toxi]

Fuck the over-reacting hyperbole over people complaining about a <$5 charger. Would everyone be complaining if the N3DS was $5 more expensive with a charger? Probably not, but this alternative is actually better. jesus.

A game system should be able to function out of the box. Buying extra accessories is a hassle (especially if stock is limited) and is completely unfriendly to the folks who don't know about it (for example, parents buying the system for their kids).

It's unacceptable, and it's also unacceptable that people like you have the gall to defend this practice.

 

[Kucan]

The no AC thing happened in Europe with the XL right? I thought a consumer friendly place like the EU would have laws to prohibit this shit, disgusting.

Considering the EU have made new laws in to make mobile phones all use the same charging method, they're actually all for less chargers in the market. If the next handheld became compatible with the universal cable, the EU would be very happy for Nintendo not to include it either.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Not to defend them, it's definitely a shit move here in the US, but Nintendo hasn't included an AC adapter for their systems in Japan since, like, the Famicom.

Markets are different, culturally.

You can't just force a market into behaving the way you want it to just because some other market behaves that way.

 

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bullshit answer

seriously name me an device that doesn't come with a charging cable

My smartphone didn't come with a charging cable. So, do I win anything?

 

[Team Klimt]

Furious that they didn't release the smaller White N3DS in America.

FFFFUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKK !!!!!!!!

 

[flatearthpandas]

Does Gamestop require chargers for the trade-in deal?

Seems like they shouldn't require them or knock off value for them since they don't sell systems with chargers.

Thinking back, they probably do require chargers since they do sell regular 3DS' with them.

 

[Nose Master]

Probably covered already, but I think they can forgo some classification taxes or something in Japan by not including an A/C adapter. 8-4 went on about it once.

 

[Petrie]

So they could release a 3DS, remove the screen, and force users to buy said screen separately provided it was labeled on the box? Maybe sell the buttons separately? You might not need all of them, after all.

It wouldn't make sense, but they could, sure.

This actually makes sense though. It's clear Nintendo expects mostly upgrades, so they did whatever they could to ensure they could keep the right price point.

I think it's shitty, but it still makes sense.

 

[Dead Man Typing]

Seriously. Even dirt cheap sub-$50 Android tablets come with a charger.

Can anyone think of any other device that doesn't include a necessary power cable or some way to power it? This isn't really comparable to a "batteries not included" situation. There's nothing else like this on the market these days.

My mp3 player didn't come with a PC to plug its USB cable into.
That's the best I can come up with.

It's a terrible practice but I bet it saves them an absolute fortune on shipping costs due to having the smaller packaging, especially with the big UK plugs. (don't know how big the plug is on the US model)

 

[Petrae]

Are we really making a big fuss over $8?

It appears we are. I just don't see why it's a huge issue. You know, PS2 didn't come with memory cards to save games when it first came out, and we as a culture survived.

I think we'll survive this too.

You're obsessed with a false equivalency in this memory cards argument you keep spitting out. Memory cards were not necessary to play PS2 games -- or even PlayStation games. Many early PS1 games used a password system to account for those who didn't have memory cards yet, and it was always possible (though not necessarily a great idea) to keep your system running instead of using a memory card.

This is about a charging cable, which is a REQUIRED additional expense if consumers want to use their New 3DS units longer than the first couple of hours out of the box. It's a far different scenario than the flimsy example that you're describing. This scenario is like selling a car with tires that disintegrate after the first 100 miles.

$8 isn't a big deal to you? Great. Pat yourself on the back. For others, it's the principle of the matter: the fact that Nintendo is now forcing consumers to pay more (irrelevant of how much) than what the MSRP indicates. This hasn't been done in more than a decade, and stopped being an issue when Nintendo went from traditional batteries to recharagables and an AC adapter was part of the package.

 

[dark10x]

My smartphone didn't come with a charging cable. So, do I win anything?

Hmm, that is genuinely interesting. What on earth type of phone did you buy? I've never seen such a thing - even with the cheapest phones on the market.

That's the best I can come up with. It's a terrible practice but I bet it saves them an absolute fortune on shipping costs due to having the smaller packaging, especially with the big UK plugs. (don't know how big the plug is on the US model)

The US plugs fold up and are quite small. A good 75% smaller than the UK plugs, I'd say. Huge difference.

 

[Maxim726X]

This has no actual reasoning beyond being something you want.

... What?

Here's a fucking reason- I can't charge the item you just sold me! That should be enough.

There is good reason to be outraged. Under no circumstance should a company get away with this. It's fucking bullshit.

 

[lt519]

Probably covered already, but I think they can forgo some classification taxes or something in Japan by not including an A/C adapter. 8-4 went on about it once.

Nope people are to busy screaming and yelling that logical answers are getting drown out.

 

[Quote]

No regular 3DS is dumb. It doesn't make financial sense to sell it in stores? Make it online only. Give me a way to give you money Nintendo, fuck. Remove region locking, let me buy a Japanese one then. Give me a way to give you money!

The no charger thing honestly should be straight up illegal.

 

[Teknoman]

And they can get their money back. It was the first thing I realized when looking at the box.

Well if they buy it from Gamestop, they arent going to let them get their money back. Once you open a system, thats usually it. I guess if they made a big enough fuss...maybe.

Of course Gamestop does have its own 3DS/DSi chargers to sell for like 10 bucks, so they probably will tell you right off the bat regardless.

 

[Petrie]

... What?

Here's a fucking reason- I can't charge the item you just sold me! That should be enough.

There is good reason to be outraged. Under no circumstance should a company get away with this. It's fucking bullshit.

And yet the only thing I stated and responded to was about if this should require some type of regulation.

It shouldn't. Nintendo should absolutely be free to do this. There is no need for the government or anything to get involved, as was stated in the post I was initially replying to.

The only regulation needed here is for people to not purchase the system if they disagree with the decision.

They aren't "getting away" with anything. There is no trickery. It is stated on the packaging, and you are free to not purchase the product.

 

[Pathfinder]

$8 isn't a big deal to you? Great. Pat yourself on the back. For others, it's the principle of the matter: the fact that Nintendo is now forcing consumers to pay more (irrelevant of how much) than what the MSRP indicates. This hasn't been done in more than a decade, and stopped being an issue when Nintendo went from traditional batteries to recharagables and an AC adapter was part of the package.

Are you just simply missing all of the posts from GAFers in other countries who are saying their devices usually don't come with included AC adapters, including 3DS?

 

[Gucci Messiah]

Can't believe there's actually people defending Nintendo's ridiculous decision to not include a charger in the box

 

[Maxim726X]

And yet the only thing I stated and responded to was about if this should require some type of regulation.

It shouldn't. Nintendo should absolutely be free to do this. There is no need for the government or anything to get involved, as was stated in the post I was initially replying to.

The only regulation needed here is for people to not purchase the system if they disagree with the decision.

They aren't "getting away" with anything. There is no trickery. It is stated on the packaging, and you are free to not purchase the product.

Selling eletronics with no means to charge them should never be aceptable in any place in the world.The fucking thing has a proprietary port, there is no way to charge without it.

This is what you responded to.

And yes, they are free to do what this wish. And people have every right to be outraged, and I hope they choose not to buy it.

 

[Toxi]

I can't wait for the next Nintendo handheld with buttons and screens sold separately.

 

[Derpyduck]

Nope people are to busy screaming and yelling that logical answers are getting drown out.

It's so logical that every other company in the world has stopped including charging cables as well...

 

[Seik]

Are you just simply missing all of the posts from GAFers in other countries who are saying their devices usually don't come with included AC adapters, including 3DS?

Yeah, though in no cases it makes the issue less stupid.

The issue was just as fucking dumb in other countries before as well. :lol

 

[Pathfinder]

Can't believe there's actually people defending Nintendo's ridiculous decision to not include a charger in the box

I'm not necessarily defending it, as I think it's cutting corners and inconveniencing customers. I'm just trying to say I don't think it's that big of a deal.

 

[mclem]

I would be more upset if it wasn't $8 for an official one off of amazon. That's less than the sales tax I would pay for the system.

An official one? In the UK I've been using a £2 USB charger for years, and I've not noticed the battery suffering.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

They aren't "getting away" with anything. There is no trickery. It is stated on the packaging, and you are free to not purchase the product.

So you're telling me there's a large notice on the box warning consumers that it doesn't come with a charger? BS

 

[dark10x]

Honestly, looking at the 3DS as a whole, it really is one of the least consumer friendly devices out there. I kind of feel bad buying anything for it at this point and it keeps getting worse with stuff like this.

Region locking (a huge issue for myself)
Circle pad pro BS
Removing AC adapter
Not releasing the regular New 3DS
No account system for purchases
High purchase price considering hardware

I still enjoy a lot of its software but, man, they really are sticking it to consumers with this system.

 

[Petrie]

Can't believe there's actually people defending Nintendo's ridiculous decision to not include a charger in the box

Do you really not understand the different between defending something and trying to have a rational conversation about why they might be doing something and being able to dislike it but still realize they should be allowed to make that choice, and if consumers still purchase the product, then they don't have a problem?

 

[Maxim726X]

Can't believe there's actually people defending Nintendo's ridiculous decision to not include a charger in the box

Well, Nintendo is counting on their loyal fans to eat shit and like it.

And they fucking love it.

 

[GatticusFinch]

This is easily one of the dumbest business decisions in gaming history. Let's sell someone an electronic device that they cannot even turn on without an additional purchase, because that won't create any ill will, right?

 

[Petrae]

Are you just simply missing all of the posts from GAFers in other countries who are saying their devices usually don't come with included AC adapters, including 3DS?

It's as wrong anywhere else as it is here. That changes nothing, including your bullshit arguments.

 

[hamchan]

The proprietary charger is the most obnoxious part of this. If you're gonna pull this move at least move a standard cable that everyone else uses. The Vita moving to microUSB charging with the 2000 made me so happy, I hope Nintendo follows that some day.

 

[Petrie]

This is what you responded to.

And yes, they are free to do what this wish. And people have every right to be outraged, and I hope they choose not to buy it.

No. I responded to this:

The no AC thing happened in Europe with the XL right? I thought a consumer friendly place like the EU would have laws to prohibit this shit, disgusting.

And then YOU responded to me, but the discussion remained about the initial post about legality of such a move.

You should try to better keep track of conversations.

 

[flozuki]

Well if they buy it from Gamestop, they arent going to let them get their money back. Once you open a system, thats usually it. I guess if they made a big enough fuss...maybe.

Oh, that is a problem. As mentioned earlier, I think with a general standard all or many companies agree on this is a good move in my book regarding ecology. Now they just have to reduce the price so the consumers also gain advantages out of this.

 

[Lyte Edge]

I'm not necessarily defending it, as I think it's cutting corners and inconveniencing customers. I'm just trying to say I don't think it's that big of a deal.

It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous that they've been doing this in Japan for a long time and now in Europe, too. It has been a ridiculous practice that Nintendo has done since as far back as the N64-- when the system came out in Japan, they did not include composite cables since "everyone already has a Super Famicom."