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[Zen_Arcade]

We've seen one teaser trailer and you've already come to this conclusion. Icanteven :lol

Have you read the synopsis? Have you seen the giant pillar of blue light stretching out into the sky?

We're talking about a movie about a pantless orange rock man :lol

"grounded"

No, people are bringing it up because that's what the people involved with the movie have implied the movie is going to be like. The teaser was just confirmation of the idea. It's been one of the biggest talking points about the movie for months now.

Spider-Man is a completely outrageous idea, but he's always been framed as a hero that is relatable and grounded.

 

[J10]

Yeah, the thing that's most annoying is that Fox has been sitting on a goldmine of stories and characters for like twenty years and all they've done is 6 Wolverine movies and two Fantastic Four origins.

 

[Blader]

Isn't Mole Man in this movie anyway? or at the least the guy who eventually becomes Mole Man.

 

[Slayven]

Yeah, the thing that's most annoying is that Fox has been sitting on a goldmine of stories and characters for like twenty years and all they've done is 6 Wolverine movies and two Fantastic Four origins.

Could you imagine a council of Reeds on screen?

 

[Fret]

I liked it, mostly because of the music and the cinematography. It's shot very well and it surprised me for a movie like this

 

[neojubei]

it reminds me of the Prometheus trailer. it shows bits of cool stuff but could look awful in the full movie. i hope i am wrong. i wish this trailer had me pumped like the Ultron and star wars trailers.

 

[kabel]

It looks ok, nothing more.

Will wait until it's on TV.

 

[J10]

Could you imagine a council of Reeds on screen?

They don't even have to go that far. Just a power-armored sorcerer dictator Doom would be a good start. We can't even get that. Couldn't get Galactus. I bet they could have even introduced the Inhumans if they wanted to. Immortus. Mad Thinker. Super-Skrull. A whole list of crazy shit they've just been sitting on. That's the only case I feel like I need to make for letting Marvel have all their shit back right now.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Ultron may change that as far as MCU villains go, & Loki is a solid villain (plus they're setting up Thanos). And likewise, there's a difference between a different take that's respectful to the source material & a different take for the sake of being different. Fox wanted to change up a formula they didn't even get right the first time.
And why the faces?

Ultron may change that? He probably won't. He's a global event. He'll come and probably be something small by the end of the movie.

Loki isn't a good villain. Why do people think that? What makes him good? Is it because the actor is charming? His dislike for Odin because he lied about his birth? Even though Odin still loved him as a son and tells him that? Loki is whiney. He's teenage angst in God form.

What's "faithful" to the adaption? The light heartedness? OK... go watch 2000-era FF. That's a faithful adaption. No one cares for those movies because its too faithful: dumb hokey movie with comparable comic book writing.

Comic books aren't really written in a serious manner. Most of the time - including Doom - are mustache twirling villains. The pages are frozen so we impose what we think they're doing on there. They're not as grand as people want them to be. The dialogue most of the time is corny.

Do you want corny? Go watch 2000 era FF.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

What's "faithful" to the adaption? The light heartedness? OK... go watch 2000-era FF. That's a faithful adaption. No one cares for those movies because its too faithful: dumb hokey movie with comparable comic book writing.

Do you want corny? Go watch 2000 era FF.

The people who keep saying this have never read a Fantastic Four comic in their life. Those movies are some of the biggest offenders in changing the source material for no good reason. No, those movies were not faithful adaptations of the Fantastic Four.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

The people who keep saying this have never read a Fantastic Four comic in their life. Those movies are some of the biggest offenders in changing the source material for no good reason. No, those movies were not faithful adaptations of the Fantastic Four.

How were they not? Comic book dialogue translates horribly to screen. Exposition, bad science, huffing and puffing, quips. Writers have to fill in the gaps. 2000 FF is faithful. It's hard to argue it isn't.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Wow this thread went a crazy while I was sleeping.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

How were they not? Comic book dialogue translates horribly to screen. Exposition, bad science, huffing and puffing, quips. Writers have to fill in the gaps. 2000 FF is faithful. It's hard to argue it isn't.

You aren't even considering the #1 most important thing about FF that none of these movies seem to get right.

 

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[Subpar Spatula]

You aren't even considering the #1 most important thing about FF that none of these movies seem to get.

Whiiiiich is?

Can't say something and think every one knows what you're talking about.

 

[munchie64]

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So... You liked it?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

How were they not? Comic book dialogue translates horribly to screen. Exposition, bad science, huffing and puffing, quips. Writers have to fill in the gaps. 2000 FF is faithful. It's hard to argue it isn't.

It's actually really easy. Doom was a shit adaptation. He retained almost nothing about what makes Doom charming. Neither in his backstory, or his abilities. Reed was a generic boring scientist instead of one of the most interesting forward thinking scientific minds on the planet. Sue Storm was pretty much nonexistent as a character and also horribly cast. The only thing the movies got remotely right was the relationship between Ben and Johnny and the fact that they actually made the Silver Surfer look like the Silver Surfer.

Galactus was a fucking cloud.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Whiiiiich is?

Can't say something and think every one knows what you're talking about.

Oh sorry, you were posting like you actually know what you're talking about.

Any movie that wants to call itself Fantastic Four should be putting the family dynamic front and center. This is Marvel's FIRST FAMILY, not just their first team of superheroes. People asking for a faithful FF want an off-beat family adventure where they explore crazy new frontiers, not just saving the world from evil. There hasn't been a truly faithful FF movie before.

 

[Ahasverus]

Ultron may change that as far as MCU villains go, & Loki is a solid villain (plus they're setting up Thanos).

Ultron is not the real villain of AoU and you know it haha. Loki is a discount Joker, but I like him, Tom is WONDERFUL. Thanos hasn't earned his chops, maybe on his film.

 

[munchie64]

It's actually really easy. Doom was a shit adaptation. He retained almost nothing about what makes Doom charming. Neither in his backstory, or his abilities. Reed was a generic boring scientist instead of one of the most interesting forward thinking scientific minds on the planet. Sue Storm was pretty much nonexistent as a character and also horribly cast. The only thing the movies got remotely right was the relationship between Ben and Johnny and the fact that they actually made the Silver Surfer look like the Silver Surfer.

Galactus was a fucking cloud.

Except for Doom's backstory, this movie could (potentially) get all of that right.

Here's hoping.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Except for Doom's backstory, this movie could (potentially) get all of that right.

Here's hoping.

Yeah while I'm not crazy about Ultimate FF, this one still looks like it could be a step in the right direction.

 

[duckroll]

Except for Doom's backstory, this movie could (potentially) get all of that right.

Here's hoping.

I think the most problematic thing for getting Doom right is that there will always be a sense of disconnect between Doom's supernatural elements and the science driven world and setting he's always part of. The disconnect is a part of what makes it interesting, but it's also something that I think filmmakers will want to downplay or remove because they don't quite know how to fit it in.

 

[freethought]

I think duckroll's point might be that a good enough writer and director will make Mole Man work.

I agree.

edit: There's only one thing you need to get Dr. Doom right. Doombots, an inexhaustible supply of Doombots.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I think the most problematic thing for getting Doom right is that there will always be a sense of disconnect between Doom's supernatural elements and the science driven world and setting he's always part of. The disconnect is a part of what makes it interesting, but it's also something that I think filmmakers will want to downplay or remove because they don't quite know how to fit it in.

I don't even expect them to ever touch on the sorcery aspect of Doom's character. While not optimal it would be good enough if they could portray him as a brilliant dictator. I don't expect them to get there in the first movie though, since they've already got the sequel planned I would assume they're going to build that up eventually.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Oh sorry, you were posting like you actually know what you're talking about.

Any movie that wants to call itself Fantastic Four should be putting the family dynamic front and center. This is Marvel's FIRST FAMILY, not just their first team of superheroes. People asking for a faithful FF want an off-beat family adventure where they explore crazy new frontiers, not just saving the world from evil. There hasn't been a truly faithful FF movie before.

And you know this movie isn't putting family first? 2000 era Fantastic Four had family dynamic.

It doesn't have to be front and center. Repeating the same themes is pointless. Should EVERY Spider-man movie be about Spider-man struggling to survive in society? No. Is it nice? Sure. Doesn't mean you have to.

Limiting yourself means you're trying to fit a square in a hole in most cases.

 

[Slayven]

Man Tricephalous

And Giganto would look great on screen

 

[Symphonic]

And you know this movie isn't putting family first? 2000 era Fantastic Four had family dynamic.

It doesn't have to be front and center. Repeating the same themes is pointless. Should EVERY Spider-man movie be about Spider-man struggling to survive in society? No. Is it nice? Sure. Doesn't mean you have to.

Limiting yourself means you're trying to fit a square in a hole in most cases.

That's completely irrelevant to your argument that 2000 FF was faithful to the comics, if anything your statement proves even more that it wasn't. Stop talking out your ass.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

And you know this movie isn't putting family first? 2000 era Fantastic Four had family dynamic.

It doesn't have to be front and center. Repeating the same themes is pointless. Should EVERY Spider-man movie be about Spider-man struggling to survive in society? No. Is it nice? Sure. Doesn't mean you have to.

Limiting yourself means you're trying to fit a square in a hole in most cases.

The irony here is that a grounded Fantastic Four movie is the definition of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It goes in the exact opposite direction of what made the Fantastic Four worth talking about in the first place and it strips away what people already enjoy about the F4. Making a Fantastic Four movie that is representative of it's source material is the complete opposite of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It's the safest, most logical bet you could make. That's why it's so annoying that no one tries.

And no, not every Spider-Man movie has to be about Spider-Man struggling in society. The difference is we've actually gotten some good Spider-Man movies that keep those themes, so switching over to something new for the character would be good and refreshing.

Now compare that to the F4 franchise, who has never gotten a faithful adaptation, or even a good movie, and it shouldn't be hard to understand why people who enjoy the comic are mad that yet again, they're going in a different direction without ever trying to make a movie that feels like the characters they already like.

 

[J10]

People have BEEN saying they need to move past the young Spider-Man shit already. If you were a reader you'd know most of his stories take place with him as a grown man.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

And you know this movie isn't putting family first? 2000 era Fantastic Four had family dynamic.

Considering the official PR for the film specifically says it's about Marvel's first team of superheroes saving the world, yeah I'm concerned they're not focusing on the right elements. I'll wait for the first trailer before getting up in arms at least, but it is my main concern with this movie. They seem to be doing right by the science fiction aspect at least.

 

[duckroll]

I don't even expect them to ever touch on the sorcery aspect of Doom's character. While not optimal it would be good enough if they could portray him as a brilliant dictator. I don't expect them to get there in the first movie though, since they've already got the sequel planned I would assume they're going to build that up eventually.

The main issue with dictator Doom is the time frame though. If they're doing a younger Fantastic Four, I expect that they'll want to keep the cast around for the next film as well. Doesn't seem like it'll give them the room to move things forward in a realistic time frame. Maybe if the film is successful and people actually like the character, they can do a Doom movie showing his rise to power.

 

[Slayven]

The irony here is that a grounded Fantastic Four movie is the definition of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It goes in the exact opposite direction of what made the Fantastic Four worth talking about in the first place and it strips away what people already enjoy about the F4. Making a Fantastic Four movie that is representative of it's source material is the complete opposite of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It's the safest, most logical bet you could make. That's why it's so annoying that no one tries.

And no, not every Spider-Man movie has to be about Spider-Man struggling in society. The difference is we've actually gotten some good Spider-Man movies that keep those themes, so switching over to something new for the character would be good and refreshing.

Now compare that to the F4 franchise, who has never gotten a faithful adaptation, or even a good movie, and it shouldn't be hard to understand why people who enjoy the comic are mad that yet again, they're going in a different direction without ever trying to make a movie that feels like the characters they already like.

It's in the name, it's not taht hard

 

[Zen_Arcade]

It's in the name, it's not taht hard

You'd think. At least there are still four of them.

 

[Prompto]

Considering the official PR for the film specifically says it's about Marvel's first team of superheroes saving the world, yeah I'm concerned they're not focusing on the right elements. I'll wait for the first trailer before getting up in arms at least, but it is my main concern with this movie. They seem to be doing right by the science fiction aspect at least.

The director and writer actually seem to be aware of that.

One thing that’s unique to it is that it’s always been about a family. Most comic book superhero movies are about a superhero protagonist or a superhero group. But they’re ever really exploring what it is to be family. And when I first read the comic that’s what was so compelling about it. I think the reason it’s endured this long, the powers are great, but the defining thing is the surrogate family. That’s something we really spent a long time talking about and putting into the film. I think that will differentiate us as well from all of the different superheroes and superhero groups out there.

Hopefully they get it across well in the movie.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Cool, that's a very good sign.

 

[Pachimari]

Am I the only one who absolutely loves that they have "grounded" the Fantastic Four with this movie?

I'm actually excited now after that teaser.

 

[N7Commander95]

Am I the only one who absolutely loves that they have "grounded" the Fantastic Four with this movie?

I'm actually excited now after that teaser.

Nope, im exceited now too.

Plus, it doesn't seem THAT grounded. Were still dealing with different dimensions, mutations and a guy made of fucking elastic. That's all in the trailer right?

I love the interstellar style they are going for, different enough to not feel derivative

 

[Ophelion]

Yeah, this actually looks kind of good. If future trailers maintain the tone of this teaser, I will definitely see it in theaters. Makes me sad to see people wishing ruin on a film when we don't even know if it will be good or not.

I love the strong Ultimate FF influences (though I hope their Doom isn't like Ultimate Doom. That guy was a loser.) Speaking of which, the older scientist in a few shots (who I presume is also narrating the teaser) is Dr. Storm, right?

Here's hoping we get a cool cinematic version of the Negative Zone in this movie.

 

[gabbo]

Am I the only one who absolutely loves that they have "grounded" the Fantastic Four with this movie?

I'm actually excited now after that teaser.

Did they change the origins for this?

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

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[kurahador]

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He's hopeful the rights are returning.

I see what you did there Mr. Gunn.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

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There's so many different ways to take that...

 

[Dai101]

Could you imagine a council of Reeds on screen?

Not on fox.

 

[freethought]

There's so many different ways to take that...

Well James Gunn is a pretty chill guy so I would take it at face value.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Could you explain how any of the Marvel movies don't immediately fall apart on a rewatch? Or how all of them besides maybe one or two don't follow the same formula? What great acting and direction they have? How wonderful and unique their action scenes are?


Likely not, because they are fluff. Much like actual comic books are written to get you to turn to the next page, the movies are made to get you to look forward to the next movie. You aren't supposed to dwell on them. You see one, then you look forward to the next one. That's how they make their movies, which is the same way comic books are made. It's always "what happens next" not "what just happened". There is no shame in that. That's absolutely fine. Almost all of them have been fun to watch the first time except Thor 2. But they aren't made to be all time classic movies. They're made to get you excited to see the next one, which then gets you excited to see the next one, etc etc.

I don't agree with everything you've said, mainly how these movies will be forgotten, but you are right about some things. The majority of Marvel movies fall apart upon rewatch, I just tried to rewatch Guardians of the Galaxy after LOVING it when I saw it first in theaters and literally could not finish the movie. It just could not hold my attention upon a second viewing and that says something, and this is the same with most of the Marvel movies. I think the only one I can consistently enjoy rewatching is Iron Man 1.

On the other hand, I've rewatched all of TDK movies multiple times. But, people will likely label me a crazy person since I think TDKR is actually really great, seriously I like it a lot.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Dude you just named two movies that really fall apart. Please please tell me how GOTG falls apart upon rewatch and TDK and TDKR do not.

GOTG follows its own internal logic. TDK and TDKR do not.

There have been countless threads ripping those movies since they came out. Pointed out illogical jumps ad naseum.

Please explain how GOTG falls apart.

 

[Ahasverus]

Please explain how GOTG falls apart.

GOTG doesn't. I can assure you that. It plays but its own rules.

However, TDK and TDKR may not, but their plot and themes might resonate with people more deeply.

 

[Neoxon]

There are so many ways one could interpret that.

 

[Xamdou]

Damn this trailer looks terrible, look's like a non-CW TV live action super hero show

 

[Feel the Swift]

same guys who wrote Cap 2 also wrote fuckin pain and gain and thor 2, cap 2 was terrible by default

this is a joke right? is this a popular opinion here?