Playstation TV Thread: Vita Who?
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GayForMaster
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That's weird. Maybe you need a new switch then. Mine works on an automatic switch that requires no power adapter. The Wifi does seem kinda slow but it's not like it took me hours just to dl a patch.
mgs2master2
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yep it does when you map the butttons.
mgs2master2
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edit disregard, double post and i am an idiot, sorry
I just played it a hour ago and worked fine.
Try refreshing maybe? Otherwise that's absurd
Eh, buying new equipment just for the Vita TV somewhat defeats the point of jumping on it for the cheap price.
I think I'm most bummed out by the one-two punch of discovering Dragon Crown needs both me and my gf to play through the game to unlock co-op and finding out Powerstone lacks the Dreamcast's adventure mode co-op.
Edit: ended up returning it. Shame considering how much I enjoy the vita.
7DollarHagane
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Are there any tips for router settings or other things to stream PS4 to Playstation TV? I have my PS4 in one room, vita TV in another probably about 25 feet from the router. The PS4 is hardwired to the router but the vita TV is on wifi.
The image quality is great and there's no stutter or artifacting but there's just ever so slightly delay in the controls.
it works good for playing like assassin's creed and just going around getting collectibles but even trying to do the lockpicking minigame is almost impossible and countering attacks is too laggy to time correctly.
Does the latency get better on a wired connection? I can't really set that up unfortunately, but I could probably try to run a 40 foot ethernet cable into the other room if I had to. My wife won't like it though. Has anyone had experience with those powerline adapters that use your home's electrical wiring for ethernet? Would that decrease the latency?
I can't see myself really playing anything but the most simple of PS4 games on this thing if the delay is persistent. Something like geometry wars would be impossible, same with anything that has any type of aiming cursor or timing based.
I guess i could use it for FF14 and getting collectibles in AC:Unity. But that's kind of disappointing.
The image quality is great and there's no stutter or artifacting but there's just ever so slightly delay in the controls.
it works good for playing like assassin's creed and just going around getting collectibles but even trying to do the lockpicking minigame is almost impossible and countering attacks is too laggy to time correctly.
Does the latency get better on a wired connection? I can't really set that up unfortunately, but I could probably try to run a 40 foot ethernet cable into the other room if I had to. My wife won't like it though. Has anyone had experience with those powerline adapters that use your home's electrical wiring for ethernet? Would that decrease the latency?
I can't see myself really playing anything but the most simple of PS4 games on this thing if the delay is persistent. Something like geometry wars would be impossible, same with anything that has any type of aiming cursor or timing based.
I guess i could use it for FF14 and getting collectibles in AC:Unity. But that's kind of disappointing.
MrBenchmark
Member
Hard wire it that's the best tip I have mine hardwired and it works perfect. Have a good router this is the best tip reserve IP for devices if you can and that's about it.
cormack12
Gold Member
I have mine hardwired over homeplugs and it's atrocious now :/ Bought a new router toay and gonna try it on 5GHz and then homeplug again. Not impressed with remote play in general. Very hit and miss experience compared to the Wii U.
Don't get any disconnection warnings but it stutters every now and again, doesn't seem to be a streaing issue whereby the frame timings are messed up but a rendering/processing one of keeping up with the data.....
Don't get any disconnection warnings but it stutters every now and again, doesn't seem to be a streaing issue whereby the frame timings are messed up but a rendering/processing one of keeping up with the data.....
MrBenchmark
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It doesn't support 5ghz wireless only 2.4. those homeplugs can be iffy to.
My entire house router wiring and switches are gigabit. Sure the pstv is only a10\100 but hardwired on this setup its perfect if it wasn't this device would be completely useless.
Really try reserving IP for important devices and if the router support good qos prioritizing device traffic.
cormack12
Gold Member
Yeah tried last night, was a bit PO that it didn't see the 5G SSID, but tried it on the 2.4GHz. So basically the experience improved about 80%. Still a decent amount of smearing but it was a fast paced sports game. I tried DA:I and I still get the smearing when panning the camera round my character on the ground textures but it has improved markedly. I now need to do some investigating with the homeplugs.
PSTV detected 21Mb/2Mb on the wifi signal so if it's improved this much on the new router with wifi, am hoping the homeplugs will see a similar performance benefit.
Might be worth checking with a wifi utility to see if there are any channels free around you. If you're sharing the most congested one it'll affect your speeds and you could get a decent improvement just by changing it.
flashbandit16
Member
How do you get a PS3 controller to work wirelessly with the Playstation TV? Under settings the controller shows up as a registered Bluetooth device but the controller will not connect to the Playstation TV.
Edit: Tried a different controller and it worked immediately. I guess there is something wrong with the first controller even-though it works with my PS3 just fine.
Edit: Tried a different controller and it worked immediately. I guess there is something wrong with the first controller even-though it works with my PS3 just fine.
Chopper Dave
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Just picked up a PSTV yesterday. I'm excited to get started on so many of the psp games I missed out on. I bought Tactics Ogre and Jeanne D'Arc and just starting digging in. Man I wish Nintendo made a N3DSTV. I don't care about low res being blown up on a big screen. TV and comfy couch is just the way this player prefers to play!
I needed a controller bundle and a memory card. The only thing holding me back was the absurd price of those awful cards. It was either buy used or wait for a nice deal. I found this baby and it should do quite nice. It comes with console+controller+8GBcard+games I am not certain I should care about for $99. I needed to have the store price match their website so keep that in mind if interested.
I needed a controller bundle and a memory card. The only thing holding me back was the absurd price of those awful cards. It was either buy used or wait for a nice deal. I found this baby and it should do quite nice. It comes with console+controller+8GBcard+games I am not certain I should care about for $99. I needed to have the store price match their website so keep that in mind if interested.
MrBenchmark
Member
Also try picking a channel 1,6,11 forget the in between ones. Whichever is least used near you the vita in general really doesn't like crowded channels.
Not sure if anyone else has experienced this but the DS4 seems to be more responsive compared to the DS3.
Enigmatic Rainbow
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KyanMehwulfe
Member
Picked up a PS TV about a week ago to basically become my FF Tactics/Tactics Ogre box...
So far so good. I hate handhelds so I've been waiting to play the TO re-release, and it's so well done. Looks great on my 53"... default camera distance is rather blurry being that the game is so low res but once you zoom out, the sprites look very sharp and pretty. Menus look great, too. PSTV UI is rather ugly, and that 'Hold O to peel off apps' was rather odd (couldn't figure out intuitively how to even close apps). But it gets the job done...
And the Sleep Mode is great. Love how I can just turn my TV off at any time, and the game automatically goes into Sleep Mode without even touching the PSTV or DS4. Makes pick up and play for a tactical RPG very convenient.
Anyhow, great little device and seemingly a must-own to play certain PSone or PSP games on a TV. It's too bad the FF Tactics slowdown still hinders that port (software related I suppose), but the TO port is masterfully done, and Suikoden 2 looks great, too. Wish these were all on PS4 (though at least the PSone FFT and Suiko2 are on PS3), but PS TV definitely worth a few bucks to be able to play basically the GOAT Tactics Ogre on the big screen.
So far so good. I hate handhelds so I've been waiting to play the TO re-release, and it's so well done. Looks great on my 53"... default camera distance is rather blurry being that the game is so low res but once you zoom out, the sprites look very sharp and pretty. Menus look great, too. PSTV UI is rather ugly, and that 'Hold O to peel off apps' was rather odd (couldn't figure out intuitively how to even close apps). But it gets the job done...
And the Sleep Mode is great. Love how I can just turn my TV off at any time, and the game automatically goes into Sleep Mode without even touching the PSTV or DS4. Makes pick up and play for a tactical RPG very convenient.
Anyhow, great little device and seemingly a must-own to play certain PSone or PSP games on a TV. It's too bad the FF Tactics slowdown still hinders that port (software related I suppose), but the TO port is masterfully done, and Suikoden 2 looks great, too. Wish these were all on PS4 (though at least the PSone FFT and Suiko2 are on PS3), but PS TV definitely worth a few bucks to be able to play basically the GOAT Tactics Ogre on the big screen.
thegirlleastlikelyto
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This is the only reason I'm getting one too. Hoping to install TN-V to install the slowdown/unstretched patch version of FFT. Good to hear about TO looking good (mostly). How does FFT look?
Hmm.
I'll have to pull out my MK Klassics stick out and try that.
( Really hate the layout, only bought it cause it was super cheap D: )
Ekir
Member
It should work fine, I'm using an EU account with an asian Vita TV.
Remember both asian&japanese ps tvs switch your X & O when choosing options in the console menu. Can be a bit annoying at first, not a big deal though when you get used to it.
razorblade79
Member
Is it me or do PS1/2 games feel a bit slow? Specifically God of War 2 and Final Fantasy 7. They felt alright on my old Vita but PSTV it feels like this thing is struggling somewhat.
cormack12
Gold Member
Done some more testing with the Homeplugs. It's not a speed issue as I get 21Mbps/1.0Mbps on the PSTV speed test. It must be more something fundamental. I do get warnings about checking my router allows fragmented packets or something. I'm going to play round with the MTU later and hopefully find a setup that works.
MrBenchmark
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Does the router have stateful packet inspection on in the firewall settings? If so turn it off.
Got mine today from Amazon, played in another room streaming Dying Light from my PS4. This thing is GREAT. I love it, and probably won't use it for anything other than streaming. The lag is perceptible when you're looking for it, but 5 minutes into the game I didn't even think about it anymore. Pretty awesome stuff.
Nope. It will never reach a state of "every game" playable. Even for vita games. The compatibility list is hit-and-miss. Though there are games that are "unofficially" compatible
redhairedking
Junior Member
I guess I should try out my Hori Fightstick Mini, though I doubt it will work.
ExitPlanetDust
Member
I finally had some time to take my PSTV out of the box and hook it up. I bought it as a dedicated gaming platform to play PSOne classics, PSP games, and Vita games on the TV. It's hooked up to the same TV as my PS4, so it likely will never see any remote play.
My initial impressions were pretty blah, honestly. 1080i stutters while my TV tries to deinterlace things on its own, leading me to drop the resolution back down to 720p. It's ugly, but the stuttering is gone. This is actually really strange too, because the same set doesn't experience any issues with 1080i broadcasts. Maybe it's an input issue.
I can finally confirm that the InPin PS2 to PS3 controller adapter does not work. This is the only device that doesn't immediately recognize it as a PS3 controller. The PSTV won't assign a controller number. The adapter just flashes, waiting for assignment. The home button works though. This is really too bad. I was hoping I could use my HRAP 2 SA to play fighting games and arcade classics.
Edit: I was wrong. It does work.
I had even more time to play around with the PSTV yesterday and I would say it's growing on me more and more. Once you get around the quirks and short commings, it's a nifty stand-alone micro-console to have. Things get even better if you have a PSP or Vita lying around for ad-hoc sessions with specific games.
Visuals:
- PS1 games look good. Like really good. I would argue that they look better on the PSTV than they do on a PS3. The ratio feels a little off, like more of a 4:3.25 than a 4:3. But it beats a stretch fest. There aren't any filter options, but I wouldn't have used them anyway. The PSTV also appears to run the PS1 games emulator at a native 720p resolution, making upscaling less obvious.
- PSP games are pretty ugly. I guess this is expected, considering the source material. At this point things are upscaled what, x4 or x3?
- Vita games are a mixed bag. 2D games usually look pretty good. Dragon's Crown is almost indistinguishable from the PS3 version from the couch. Phantom Breaker Battleground looks great. Duke Nukem 3D actually looks pretty fantastic. 3D games are a bit more difficult to look at. Freedom Wars looks pretty jaggy from the floor. It looks a bit closer to PS360 gen from the couch. Need for Speed Most Wanted looks awful (though it never really looked great on the Vita). Like some sub-par PS2 game running through composite on an HD set.
Gameplay:
- PS1 games are pretty solid on the Dual Shock 4. R2 and L2 are mapped out appropriately by the PSTV, so there isn't any touch screen nonsense going on. I don't have access to a DS3, so I can't comment on it's usability. It's widely known that the PS3 PS1 emulator has noticeable input lag. That doesn't appear to be the case with PSOne classics when played on a Vita and that experience carries over to the PSTV, provided your TV isn't introducing buckets of input lag on its own.
- PSP games play well. Just as well as on the Vita, now with a larger and more capable controller in hand. In this respect, they play better than ever. And for games like WipEout Pulse, which was released later on PS2, this is now the best way to play on a TV. You now have Ad-Hoc included for local play that, unlike server reliant multiplayer, will never go away.
- Vita games are probably the reason anyone who actually knows about this thing is going to buy it. The gameplay experience translates well to the DS4. Some games recognize the touch pad and placing two fingers (or thumbs) on the pad at the same time will designate one input as front and another as the back. There are a few quirks with analog input, however. Most Vita games I tried suffer from a rather large dead zone. This is probably due to the initial expectation that the games would be played with much smaller analog sticks with a shorter range of motion. This varies wildly between games. Duke Nukem 3D plays fantastically with little to no dead-zone, while Freedom Wars has a rather large one. R2 and L2 also cannot be assigned to existing buttons or functions, which makes things kind of awkward if you are used to using them as triggers in third or first person shooters.
Playing Vita titles while tethered to a TV and a big, comfy couch has also brought me to another realization: A lot of them aren't very portable at all.
Being able to sit back and dedicate 20+ mins to a battle in Freedom Wars on a display where I can see the action much more clearly makes it feel like a full blown console title. I honestly don't think I will ever play this game on my Vita again. I could write dedicated post based on this experience alone. Similarly, games like Dragon's Crown, which is a dual console release, are infinitely more enjoyable.
Finally Verdict:
I didn't say anything about streaming apps such as Netflix or Crackle, because I didn't buy the PSTV for that. I bought it because the price finally dropped into my range and I wanted something I could carry my Vita experience over to. For that, I would say it mostly delivers. 720p is something I can overcome by moving back to the couch. There are the occasional WTF blacklisted titles, but caution and research can help prevent any letdowns or wasted purchases.
For me, it mostly meets my expectations. PSOne classics look and play great, Vita games that were borderline unplayable have new life, and PSP games are a bonus. Even then, I would recommend waiting for the price to slip a little lower. Sony has made it pretty clear that there is no interest in pursuing the media streaming capabilities of the device. Or maybe that blame falls on the third parties' failure to update app compatibility. Whatever the reason, it's a big chunk of the PSTV's initial design that just isn't there and probably never will be. With that in mind, this thing should be priced at $60 US with an 8 gig memory card and a DS3 packed in. At that price, it would be a solid purchase.
If you are considering picking one up, just do your research. Don't buy this thing blind or you'll end up with a library full of games you can't play.
My initial impressions were pretty blah, honestly. 1080i stutters while my TV tries to deinterlace things on its own, leading me to drop the resolution back down to 720p. It's ugly, but the stuttering is gone. This is actually really strange too, because the same set doesn't experience any issues with 1080i broadcasts. Maybe it's an input issue.
I can finally confirm that the InPin PS2 to PS3 controller adapter does not work. This is the only device that doesn't immediately recognize it as a PS3 controller. The PSTV won't assign a controller number. The adapter just flashes, waiting for assignment. The home button works though. This is really too bad. I was hoping I could use my HRAP 2 SA to play fighting games and arcade classics.
Edit: I was wrong. It does work.
I had even more time to play around with the PSTV yesterday and I would say it's growing on me more and more. Once you get around the quirks and short commings, it's a nifty stand-alone micro-console to have. Things get even better if you have a PSP or Vita lying around for ad-hoc sessions with specific games.
Visuals:
- PS1 games look good. Like really good. I would argue that they look better on the PSTV than they do on a PS3. The ratio feels a little off, like more of a 4:3.25 than a 4:3. But it beats a stretch fest. There aren't any filter options, but I wouldn't have used them anyway. The PSTV also appears to run the PS1 games emulator at a native 720p resolution, making upscaling less obvious.
- PSP games are pretty ugly. I guess this is expected, considering the source material. At this point things are upscaled what, x4 or x3?
- Vita games are a mixed bag. 2D games usually look pretty good. Dragon's Crown is almost indistinguishable from the PS3 version from the couch. Phantom Breaker Battleground looks great. Duke Nukem 3D actually looks pretty fantastic. 3D games are a bit more difficult to look at. Freedom Wars looks pretty jaggy from the floor. It looks a bit closer to PS360 gen from the couch. Need for Speed Most Wanted looks awful (though it never really looked great on the Vita). Like some sub-par PS2 game running through composite on an HD set.
Gameplay:
- PS1 games are pretty solid on the Dual Shock 4. R2 and L2 are mapped out appropriately by the PSTV, so there isn't any touch screen nonsense going on. I don't have access to a DS3, so I can't comment on it's usability. It's widely known that the PS3 PS1 emulator has noticeable input lag. That doesn't appear to be the case with PSOne classics when played on a Vita and that experience carries over to the PSTV, provided your TV isn't introducing buckets of input lag on its own.
- PSP games play well. Just as well as on the Vita, now with a larger and more capable controller in hand. In this respect, they play better than ever. And for games like WipEout Pulse, which was released later on PS2, this is now the best way to play on a TV. You now have Ad-Hoc included for local play that, unlike server reliant multiplayer, will never go away.
- Vita games are probably the reason anyone who actually knows about this thing is going to buy it. The gameplay experience translates well to the DS4. Some games recognize the touch pad and placing two fingers (or thumbs) on the pad at the same time will designate one input as front and another as the back. There are a few quirks with analog input, however. Most Vita games I tried suffer from a rather large dead zone. This is probably due to the initial expectation that the games would be played with much smaller analog sticks with a shorter range of motion. This varies wildly between games. Duke Nukem 3D plays fantastically with little to no dead-zone, while Freedom Wars has a rather large one. R2 and L2 also cannot be assigned to existing buttons or functions, which makes things kind of awkward if you are used to using them as triggers in third or first person shooters.
Playing Vita titles while tethered to a TV and a big, comfy couch has also brought me to another realization: A lot of them aren't very portable at all.
Being able to sit back and dedicate 20+ mins to a battle in Freedom Wars on a display where I can see the action much more clearly makes it feel like a full blown console title. I honestly don't think I will ever play this game on my Vita again. I could write dedicated post based on this experience alone. Similarly, games like Dragon's Crown, which is a dual console release, are infinitely more enjoyable.
Finally Verdict:
I didn't say anything about streaming apps such as Netflix or Crackle, because I didn't buy the PSTV for that. I bought it because the price finally dropped into my range and I wanted something I could carry my Vita experience over to. For that, I would say it mostly delivers. 720p is something I can overcome by moving back to the couch. There are the occasional WTF blacklisted titles, but caution and research can help prevent any letdowns or wasted purchases.
For me, it mostly meets my expectations. PSOne classics look and play great, Vita games that were borderline unplayable have new life, and PSP games are a bonus. Even then, I would recommend waiting for the price to slip a little lower. Sony has made it pretty clear that there is no interest in pursuing the media streaming capabilities of the device. Or maybe that blame falls on the third parties' failure to update app compatibility. Whatever the reason, it's a big chunk of the PSTV's initial design that just isn't there and probably never will be. With that in mind, this thing should be priced at $60 US with an 8 gig memory card and a DS3 packed in. At that price, it would be a solid purchase.
If you are considering picking one up, just do your research. Don't buy this thing blind or you'll end up with a library full of games you can't play.
Nice write-up.
One nagging issue I have right now is with L3 and R3 on the DS4. I seem to accidentually press the analogue stick in sometimes, especially in an intense moment in the game - which makes those hands appear on screen and renders the character unable to move. But if I disable this in the controller options then the touchscreen is also disabled?!
The options for touch screen on/off and L3/R3 on/off should be separate options, not tied. Unless I'm missing something
One nagging issue I have right now is with L3 and R3 on the DS4. I seem to accidentually press the analogue stick in sometimes, especially in an intense moment in the game - which makes those hands appear on screen and renders the character unable to move. But if I disable this in the controller options then the touchscreen is also disabled?!
The options for touch screen on/off and L3/R3 on/off should be separate options, not tied. Unless I'm missing something
Ekir
Member
I've had that issue several times with my DS3 also, leading to gruesome and cheap deaths in The Walkind Dead. Dont know about the touchscreen as I dont have any DS4 yet.
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Well this was a pleasant surprise. Earlier, in my impressions post, I claimed that the InPin PS2 to PS3 controller adapter didn't work with the PSTV. I was wrong, it definitely works!
Earlier I tested the adapter with a PS1 digital pad, the one without analog sticks. I think this was the issue. I tested with a PSOne Dual Shock this morning and it worked perfectly. Just as lagless and reliable as using it on the PS3. I switched over to my HRAP 2 SA and it worked great too!
Edit: The OG PS1 digital pad started working last night. I played for almost an hour without dropped inputs or disconnects. I'm chalking it up to dirty contacts.
Earlier I tested the adapter with a PS1 digital pad, the one without analog sticks. I think this was the issue. I tested with a PSOne Dual Shock this morning and it worked perfectly. Just as lagless and reliable as using it on the PS3. I switched over to my HRAP 2 SA and it worked great too!
Edit: The OG PS1 digital pad started working last night. I played for almost an hour without dropped inputs or disconnects. I'm chalking it up to dirty contacts.
lovely ladies
Member
Saw on CAG that these are 59.99 at radio shack. They're sold out online but maybe you can find one in one of their stores or get it price matched elsewhere.
RadarScope1
Member
Great impressions - thanks for writing this post. The bolded part about lag-free PS1 games makes me think it might be worth getting it just for that alone. I already have many purchased games from PSN and the needed controllers, so you're almost making me think it would be worth it just for the PS1 games alone. I'd just need another memory card, but even an 8 gb card would likely be more than enough. As someone said earlier, it would be like having a mini PS1.
I have a question about the second bolded part - something I never really thought about. You can use a Vita as a second controller/screen for local multi in PSP and Vita games, huh?
Parent was talking about ad-hoc multiplayer in PSP and Vita games that support it.
Some Vita games do natively support multiple controllers on the PSTV though. There aren't a lot of them yet though. The PS1 emulator does support multiple controllers as well.
Enigmatic Rainbow
Member
That feature is actually really nice to have. Played some 4-player CTR on the PSTV.
Too bad the only way to get it on your Vita/PSTV was during that one glitch (US Vita).
ExitPlanetDust
Member
This is the only place that I know of.
Yes, for Vita and PSP games that support ad-hoc multiplayer, you can direct connect for your very own mini LAN party. Think: multiple PSPs and Vitas in the same room, sharing an ad-hoc session with the PSTV.
I also made a VIDEO of the HRAP 2 SA in action.
Sweet! So is it the case that certain PCBs will work while others won't? Older ps1 arcade sticks mightn't work while newer ones might?
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Actually, everything might work. I tried the OG PS1 pad again and it worked last night. I don't know if the contacts were dirty or what... I played a good 20 to 30 mins of Strider and Shock Troopers with it. No dropped inputs, no controller disconnects.
PSA: It looks like etokki.com is now sold out of InPins.
Not sure whether this is thread worthy, but the PSTV is going to be 50% off on Amazon tomorrow at 9AM PST.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=nav_cs_gb?gb_hero_f_102=p:11,c:all,s:upcoming
just keep scrolling to the right on the lightning deals section.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=nav_cs_gb?gb_hero_f_102=p:11,c:all,s:upcoming
just keep scrolling to the right on the lightning deals section.
bobawesome
Member
Sounds thread-worthy to me. I'm sure a lot of people who would want to know don't check this thread.
I'm starting to get a weird issue where the PSTV signal will cut in and out at random. Wiggling the cord resolves the issue temporarily.
At first I thought it was my TV but plugging into a computer monitor yields the same problem. It could be the cord but I'm unsure I'm thinking it might be the PSTV though.
At first I thought it was my TV but plugging into a computer monitor yields the same problem. It could be the cord but I'm unsure I'm thinking it might be the PSTV though.
outunderthestars
Banned
The Amazon deal is totally thread worthy.
Thread worthy honestly.
And i know 3 people who'll jump on it at this price that i'm going to recommend this to so they can finally try persona 4 golden