Avengers: Age of Ultron |OT| If you open this thread, you're an Avenger
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Kingpin was good, though.
I agree, but he didn't become the Kingpin yet, probably in the next season of Daredevil.
After a fun start, found this thoroughly mediocre. The good parts are the little throwaway lines that Whedon does so well, being both funny and informing character, and the team has terrific chemistry. Scarlett Johansson is perfect. Elizabeth Olson makes a really strong first impression, even while being given little to do. James Spader's voice work gives Ultron far more personality and sadness than the script deserves. Robert Downey Jr, having been phoning in Stark for a while, gives one of his best performances since the first Iron Man now that he's having to fight a little bit for attention in such a big cast. Having Rhodes pop up was great.
The film starts out heading in an interesting direction, integrating its character work and its plot quite nicely, only to rapidly devolve into a rehash of Marvel's now stock 'big battle that trashes a city and/or generally causes immeasurable destruction' finale which is getting more tedious every time. Even worse is an interminable mid-section lull that goes on forever and emphasis Capital Letter Character Development, none of which has much to do with the movie at hand, all of which is clichéd in the most vomitously egregious way, and feels like Joss Whedon trying to remind the audience and himself that he can still write characters as well as quips and explodey set-pieces, even though he was doing it far more subtly only half an hour previously. All the romance stuff is DOA. Scarlett Witch does alright for the most part, but Quicksilver and Vision are entirely superfluous. Big chunks of the movie do the Iron Man 2 thing of existing solely for set-up rather than to service the plot of the movie you're watching. The final battle has a lot of time wasting, while Ultron's gigantic army from the trailer ("Best you've got") is defeated in less than thirty seconds and seemingly only exists to do another of those big rotating shots of the Avengers in mid-battle.
If you just want to see these characters quipping and fighting together in dramatic poses, you'll probably be happy enough, although I can't imagine anyone will be able to see this as anything but diminishing returns from the first one, which I really liked. I don't read superhero comics, so this is probably a much better movie if you've an emotional attachment to the material just for having these characters all together. I'd put it at a 5/10 for me and estimate a 7 for fans.
The film starts out heading in an interesting direction, integrating its character work and its plot quite nicely, only to rapidly devolve into a rehash of Marvel's now stock 'big battle that trashes a city and/or generally causes immeasurable destruction' finale which is getting more tedious every time. Even worse is an interminable mid-section lull that goes on forever and emphasis Capital Letter Character Development, none of which has much to do with the movie at hand, all of which is clichéd in the most vomitously egregious way, and feels like Joss Whedon trying to remind the audience and himself that he can still write characters as well as quips and explodey set-pieces, even though he was doing it far more subtly only half an hour previously. All the romance stuff is DOA. Scarlett Witch does alright for the most part, but Quicksilver and Vision are entirely superfluous. Big chunks of the movie do the Iron Man 2 thing of existing solely for set-up rather than to service the plot of the movie you're watching. The final battle has a lot of time wasting, while Ultron's gigantic army from the trailer ("Best you've got") is defeated in less than thirty seconds and seemingly only exists to do another of those big rotating shots of the Avengers in mid-battle.
If you just want to see these characters quipping and fighting together in dramatic poses, you'll probably be happy enough, although I can't imagine anyone will be able to see this as anything but diminishing returns from the first one, which I really liked. I don't read superhero comics, so this is probably a much better movie if you've an emotional attachment to the material just for having these characters all together. I'd put it at a 5/10 for me and estimate a 7 for fans.
Chuck Norris
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Felt like there was potential there, but there was absolutely no dramatic progression for the overall universe in this movie. For that reason it felt closest to the likes of Thor 2 or Ironman 2. There should have been a lot more meat in an Avengers movie. Nothing felt high stakes and the trope of Marvel super heroes battling some threat in the air as the final act is officially ridiculous. Is this all they can come up with?
As usual these days I love the first three quarters of the movie before the final act lets it down and the villain goes nowhere.
Marvel needs to be more inventive. The heroes don't always need to neatly win everything, leave some threads open to continue in the future.
As usual these days I love the first three quarters of the movie before the final act lets it down and the villain goes nowhere.
Marvel needs to be more inventive. The heroes don't always need to neatly win everything, leave some threads open to continue in the future.
Manmademan
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Fisk was pretty good though, so there's that.
of course he did. They just didn't literally "call" him "the kingpin" because it's super corny.
George Oscar Bluth II
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In my opinion: It isn't bad.
It wont be in this scale because its not bad.
Chuck Norris
Banned
It's not bad. It's just very, very Marvel.
Gonna watch Age of Ultron in 1.5 hours. I'm a little bit excited but not much.
Just finished rewatching The Avengers 1, and it is actually much much much better than the first and second times I watched it.
But I hope the end battle of Age of Ultron is shorter than the Chitauri attack in The Avengers, because that dragged out a bit.
Just finished rewatching The Avengers 1, and it is actually much much much better than the first and second times I watched it.
But I hope the end battle of Age of Ultron is shorter than the Chitauri attack in The Avengers, because that dragged out a bit.
Loki in the first Thor actually was a good villain.
I don't think so, I mean I don't know a lot about the Kingpin, but in the series it was as much his origin story as Daredevil's and he isn't like that in the comics or the 90's Spidey cartoon. Wilson Fisk in the netflix series is pretty much a introvert and uncomfortable around a lot of people (strangers) that's why he let Wesley do most of the job.
Atraveller
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I genuinely like this movie, it's great!
What a great attitude to walk into a movie with.
Lifejumper
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Hawkeye pretty much redeemed for me in this movie. Renner did great.
Hawkeye takes a big part of the movie.
Chuck Norris
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Any examples of superhero movies that have had a well done and satisfying ending?
Awesome thanks I was de hyped after hearing marvel did usual and borked villain but hearing Renner delivers helps get me more excited again
shira
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This should honestly be the name of the spoiler thread.
If the action scenes were good, it would be the best Marvel movie yet.
Sadly, the action is a Bayformers tier mess.
Really? The trailer stuff was more chaotic than the first avengers but I could still tell what was going on.
Out of all the mcu criticisms the only one I agree with is weak villains. Loki at the very least was charismatic, but the rest have been blah to mediocre.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I think the action is quite easy to follow. Nowhere near the mess of the Bayformers films.
Atraveller
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I think Xmen DoFP's pretty good.
Why do you both assume that I mean the action scenes are incoherent?
They're sloppily over-edited, full of weightless CG, and are generally unimpressive to look at. I think you'd have no trouble following the action scenes in Transformers either, if the robot designs weren't all so busy and similar looking.
Edit: Both these clips show what I'm talking about (spoilers obviously).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CXgvlMvVqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ngmj5FGcyg
Easy to follow, but it's still a mess. I don't even think it's Whedon's direction, it's all on the editing and bad CG.
Corpsepyre
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Yup. That movie was awesome all around too.
Maninthemirror
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The movie opens May 1st so Thursday opening is next week
Lord Panda
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More innocents need to be shown dying in these movies. All the transports making it away safely? Bullshit, from my extensive real world video game experience, at least half the transports need to be destroyed.
Also Natasha: does she have to strike a pose in every scene she is in? Her fly kick at the start was laughable.
Also Natasha: does she have to strike a pose in every scene she is in? Her fly kick at the start was laughable.
Manmademan
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No it wasn't. Fisk was well established as a threat and a major player long, long before episode 1. We never get Fisk's "origin", we only see
his downfall
Gao
the hand
Nobu
His meeting Vanessa "changes him" and that's part of his character development. The Wilson Fisk you see in Daredevil isn't the one that's been running hell's kitchen as a crime lord for years- this one is conflicted and coming apart at the seams because of that relationship.
he isn't like the comics or the 90s cartoon because this is the MCU. different interpretation of the character.
Fisk is "uncomfortable" around vanessa and this begins to bleed over into his professional life. But this is a dude that has no problems
beating people to death with his bare hands when they displease him.
I doubt that. Specially Downey is most likely gone soon.
Plus: Movie spoilers
They are building towards Iron Man/Hawkeye/Thor leaving(ish) the Avengers to make room for a new team.
There is no way they wont be in Infinity War
Could be their swing song?
Swing song?
Atraveller
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I could see the old crew showing up in part 2, show them how it's done.
I think Thor is already confirmed for Part 1.
Yeah, sure, they will just have short cameos in the big Thanos Story Arc conclusion, definitly.
You don't seem to understand what I mean at all.
They don't have to be on the Avengers roster to be in IW, even in a big role. Not being on the official Avengers team doesn't mean they have to be cameos.
Ennosuke
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The movie was fun! But Ultron was super lame, I expected that he will be super strong and hard to beat. But it didn't happen, I felt like there is no way that the avengers could lose this fight.
I really wanna see what comes next, but this movie should have been a highlight, instead it feels like a spin-off or whatever.
I really wanna see what comes next, but this movie should have been a highlight, instead it feels like a spin-off or whatever.
Another new clip: the twins meet Ultron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGFZzvdsJ0
This time, there's vocal processing in Ultron's voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGFZzvdsJ0
This time, there's vocal processing in Ultron's voice.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
This reminded me that I was quite impressed with the twins' accents throughout the film.
Really? I thought it was very average. I think I heard them slipping out of their accents a few times.
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