A professional coward is still a coward.
MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd
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A professional coward is still a coward.
I'm not sure you understand the definition of coward. Given the dangers of boxing, it seems odd that you'd even use that word.
Ether_Snake
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Bull. Ali was calling his opponents ugly and himself pretty, he was doing the same Floyd does with his attitude, and Floyd also has amazing talent. What is he supposed to do? Let himself be hit? Watch some heavy weights, the classes don't all fight the same.
Pac made it boring.
IrishNinja
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guys i don't know how much you know about boxing (i'm an expert) but the sport really shot itself in the foot last night
2 top tier fighters wasted their time trying to hit each other without taking hits, and that's not what the sport is about. real fighters get to the middle of the ring and slug it out until one has neuro damage, and frankly if the league wanted more people to be fans, perhaps they could've forced these professionals out of their entire styles by altering the purse - say, change the terms to only get 10% if you dodge too much, or something else exciting and doable like that.
but they didn't, and as a result? tons of people much like myself who surely would've taken to the sweet science and learned how things work won't bother because the fighter we wanted to win didn't (why can't they ever fix things in our favor?!) and it wasn't fought the way we wanted. why didn't manny drag him down to the bottom of the sea? where was his dempsey roll?
lol, the sport's deader than dead, i don't care how many people threw $100 at it like i did last night, won't ever happen again. and everyone knows it, because i can't name any other boxers right now, meaning there's no one else worth knowing.
please tune in for my insightful commentary next superbowl, aka the only football game i watch
look at this shit. why isn't he taking these punches in bunches like a true boxer™? I for one am embarrassed for all the elitists in here trying to tell me that this is how an all time great acts, you never saw high skilled dodges & taunts in say an ali fight
also this, just because you're willing to compete on this level & have the courage to get into the ring where others have died, if you don't fight the right way, you're a coward. excellent call
exactly, which is why we see so very many fighters emulate his style - it's super easy to have such tremendous speed, footwork, counter-punch ability and chin strength, and that's why all matches look the same
2 top tier fighters wasted their time trying to hit each other without taking hits, and that's not what the sport is about. real fighters get to the middle of the ring and slug it out until one has neuro damage, and frankly if the league wanted more people to be fans, perhaps they could've forced these professionals out of their entire styles by altering the purse - say, change the terms to only get 10% if you dodge too much, or something else exciting and doable like that.
but they didn't, and as a result? tons of people much like myself who surely would've taken to the sweet science and learned how things work won't bother because the fighter we wanted to win didn't (why can't they ever fix things in our favor?!) and it wasn't fought the way we wanted. why didn't manny drag him down to the bottom of the sea? where was his dempsey roll?
lol, the sport's deader than dead, i don't care how many people threw $100 at it like i did last night, won't ever happen again. and everyone knows it, because i can't name any other boxers right now, meaning there's no one else worth knowing.
please tune in for my insightful commentary next superbowl, aka the only football game i watch
look at this shit. why isn't he taking these punches in bunches like a true boxer™? I for one am embarrassed for all the elitists in here trying to tell me that this is how an all time great acts, you never saw high skilled dodges & taunts in say an ali fight
also this, just because you're willing to compete on this level & have the courage to get into the ring where others have died, if you don't fight the right way, you're a coward. excellent call
exactly, which is why we see so very many fighters emulate his style - it's super easy to have such tremendous speed, footwork, counter-punch ability and chin strength, and that's why all matches look the same
Hands of Stone
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Sigh. I can dream.
DanteGhost
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Mayweather had the height, weight, and probably the skill advantage. Yet he decided to run and hug Pacquio every chance he got. One of the greatest? Fucking delusional.
_illmatic_
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I see the comparison. Another immensely talented fighter who reverted to a boring, safety-first style and isn't worth the PPV money.
The only legitimate complaint one can have about Mayweather, is that he's not as good as he once was. This certainly was not his best fight by all ( non casual and strictly professional ) accounts, It didn't have to be. His best fights are behind him. To look forward and not back to find them is foolish.
Every time Manny got inside was on a rope or in a corner. How dare Floyd not sit and wait for PAC to rush him.
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_illmatic_
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So whenever boxing experts and hall of famers like Lewis say Mayweather is one of the greatest do you think they are ALL delusional?
Both Manny and Floyd ARE two of the greatest weather you like it or not. You are the one that's delusional. Give credit where its due. He's the greatest of our era. PERIOD. Beat everyone. Made the most money and DOMINATED the division for over a decade. There isn't any argument to it.
StompThaNutz
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Mayweather should start doing steroids and cocaine so he can as entertaining as ufc fighters
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You mean it was certainly not his most entertaining fight, but other than that it was like a sparring match, so certainly one of his own best, especially considering who he was up against.
Lol, you really believe that? Be honest with yourself, Mayweather is the one who made it less exciting. Constantly evading, grabbing and running around like he was trying to avoid a fight more than actually entertain one. If fighters could fight duplicates of themselves, a Pac vs Pac fight would be an amazing event full of tempo and aggression, a Mayweather vs Mayweather fight in contrast would likely be mostly unexciting, petty and slow.
Mayweather is great, incredible even. He consistently wins, problem is, he doesn't often win with style, something that can't really be said for other sports greats.
LookAtMeGo
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Mayweather on cocaine would be a sight to behold.
IrishNinja
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lol i don't know about carl lewis or whoever, but it sounds like they drank the kool-aid.
and OF COURSE he dominated, there's no good fighters these days and the ones that were good (ill get back to you with names) he constantly ducked, or was too busy abusing his wives or something. ugh, anyone can run around and not get hit, but being a top 10 defensive/counter fighter makes you a bum, not a legend. sorry pal.
see here are some real fighters, and you know these guys are speaking from the heart, not from a grim reality where none of them will ever make a fraction of what this fight pulled in their short careers
Syphon Filter
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It was on Manny as well since he didn't force the issue like Maidana did.
DanteGhost
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I think he is the best fighter of the last 10 to 15 years. There is not doubt aboout that. One of the greatest of all time? Not even close. There had been more exciting fighters than him in the period he dominated, like Tito, de la Hoya, Martinez or Pacquio. None of them had the skill of Mayweather but at the very least they were exciting to see, which I think in boxing is a necessity if you want yourself to be considered one the best. Ali didn't have an undeafeated record and yet he is considered one of the best fighters in history. Is not about winning is about the way you win.
His style is impeccable, though. Maybe you should say you don't prefer his style.
And Floyd is 38. I'm not sure where you been his whole career but he is anything but slow.
You severely undercut your argument by having to use google...just saying.
freenudemacusers
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wow look a group of b-tier nobodies trying to hitch their wagons to the fight of the decade
That's only if you think "boring" necessarily means "he's a bad boxer" :/ And that's not something I'd say, personally.
Syphon Filter
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He was being sarcastic.
Subpar Spatula
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I like how the discussion now is whether the fight was boring or not.
Fixed2BeBroken
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pretty sure irish is not being sarcastic/satirical
Style absolutely is part of greatness. Athletes and teams that succeed with an expansive, aggressive style will always be held in higher regard then those who look for narrow, defensive, tactical wins. As they should
Lol Shane Mosley drunk confirmed.
What the hell are you going on about? Going 48-0 and beating your biggest rival in your greatest fashion? Casuals thinking Pacquiao won more so due to salt and bias instead of looking at technical boxing skill? You're pretty briny right now bro.
Here's the thing, if you have a one-dimensional view of what boxing is supposed to be, that it's supposed to be two opponents just rushing in and slugging the shit out of each other until one gets knocked out, then I could see how people would find Mayweather matches boring.
But, if you respect boxing as a multi-faceted sport where different fighters employ a variety of different strategies to win, then I just don't see how you can devalue Mayweather's style or call it boring.
Mayweather is a defensive fighter, and he's one of the best to ever employ that style. My jaw's literally dropped several times watching just how fucking quick and evasive Mayweather is. His style is actually very showy and exciting if you can appreciate just how difficult it is to run a boxing match that way.
Watching Mayweather is like watching a mongoose on a cobra.
I'd imagine a majority of fighting (not just boxing) fans dislike his style. Hence the backlash to the win and strategies employed.
And I don't mean slow as in his speed (Floyd is very quick), I mean slow as in the pace of the fight. Eg lots of waiting, dancing around, not actually engaging each other etc.
Well, I started by saying I'm a filthy casual, so that's my perspective
It's you people being overly defensive the ones who put words on our mouths. Suddenly I think Mayweather "is not one of the greatests" or that boxing is supposed to be only one way because I think Mayweather's matches are not very fun.DanteGhost
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He beat Pacquio 5 years too late. Pacquio was never the same fighter after JMM knocked him out 3 years ago. Any boxing fan knew that. In the last 5 years he has fought against fighters out of their prime or b-tier. Unless you consider Maidana an all time great. Laughable.
Subpar Spatula
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You can compare Mayweather to a mongoose fighting a cobra but a mongoose goes in for the kill eventually, it doesn't wait around for 12 rounds until nature declares him the winner by points. He may weave like a mongoose but he doesn't attack like one.
_illmatic_
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SMH anybody can run around and not get hit, but nobody does it. Clearly you don't follow boxing. Sorry for wasting your time. Mayweather defeated hall time greats when they were undefeated. Hell he KO'd undefeated champions when he was coming up. Dude didn't just magically appear at the top of the game because of show boating and ducking fighters lmao.
And Mayweather wins by making it look EASY. Lots of boxers at this moment have undefeated records *GASP!* Lots of boxers at this moment have an undefeated record with more fights and KOs than Mayweather *DOUBLE GASP!!*
However they haven't beaten champions and elite fighters. Mayweather has been fighting pro since 96. Dude climbed the ranks and defeated the BEST that's how he got here. You might not care for his "boring" style of fighting and that's fair, but to say he's not a all-time great is disrespectful to De La Hoya, and Pacquiao. So you saying Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao, De La Hoya, Mosely, Marquez all got OUTCLASSED, OUTBOXED and made to look like amateurs by somebody not even considered the best? Get real.
And I'm sure even that was a tactical decision by Mayweather. I don't think Mayweather wanted to risk fighting Manny at his prime.
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That's like asking for comments from other east conference teams about Boston winning the cup.
Tyson believes Mayweather stands alone at the forefront of boxing: "He controlled the fight, he has great endurance, he did a really good job.
"It's his era, his time. He is in invincible mode now - no-one can stand with him at this particular moment."
Former world cruiserweight champion Johnny Nelson was surprised by the margin of Mayweather's victory. He said: "He shocked me and shocked everybody because he stepped up another three, four, five levels and shut him out. It was a complete masterclass.
"The whole thing of boxing is hit and not be hit. That's what he did."
Former world featherweight champion Barry McGuigan was not surprised by the manner of Mayweather's victory. "Mayweather was much too smart and quick for Manny. Just as I predicted - boringly one-sided," he tweeted.
source: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/boxing/32573246
I really hate to defend a domestic abuser, but some of you are just losing your minds. If you don't at least appreciate Mayweather's "style", then you're not a boxing fan, you just like to watch people fight. You're in it purely for the spectacle and violence, not the actual skill on display. Nothing wrong with that by the way, we're only a couple thousand years removed from forcing slaves to kill each for our amusement in a giant public forum. Evolution doesn't happen that quickly, so there's nothing wrong with admitting a thirst for bloodsport. Just don't pretend you actually care about boxing.
But it's not like we haven't seen Mayweather go in for the kill before. How many KOs does the man have?
You can't blame him for not doing that here when he clearly didn't have to. Manny was outclassed from the jump. If anybody's to blame for not bringing the excitement to the ring, it's on Manny for not being at all prepared for Mayweather's game.
It's not even "casual" fans, it's people who expect every fight to be two dudes wailing on each other until they collapse and can't appreciate different styles. UFC and boxing both have hardcore fans who are just as ignorant as people some would consider to be casual.
Phat Michael
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Hey. Phillipe "the male nurse" Nover is a top class mixed martial artist.
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