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[spyder_ur]

Or he was calling himself the deflator because he deflates balls.. and was making a joking reference to how Tom Brady gives him shoes to do that.

Either way; if it's all easily explained.. why did the Patriots refuse to let them be interviewed about the texts?

The response actually covers that pretty in depth and has this excerpt of emails between Wells and Goldberg (Pats attorney).

Based on this understanding, the Patriots asked Mr. McNally, a game day only employee with whom the team had no ongoing employment relationship, to leave his full-time, out-of-state job in order to be available for an interview at the stadium. Prior to the interview, the Patriots prevailed upon Mr. McNally to allow his personal phone to be checked for any relevant information, all of which was provided to the Wells investigators before the interview. The investigators therefore had all of Mr. Jastremski’s texts (which were provided three weeks before Mr. McNally was interviewed) as well as Mr. McNally’s phone records. The Wells investigators brought four lawyers to the McNally interview. They spent the entire day with him. He gave over seven hours of testimony. He answered every question. Among other things, the Wells investigators inquired at length about texts with Mr. Jastremski. Having taken a day off work, he was willing to stay as long as it took to finish. The interview did not end until the investigation team exhausted every topic and question they had.

Thus, when subsequently asked for what would have been a fifth interview of Mr. McNally, Patriots counsel wanted to understand what unanticipated circumstances warranted this, including whether the interview would be limited to matters that were simply not available to the investigators during Mr. McNally’s prior interview. The Patriots advised the investigators of their reluctance to have Mr. McNally back yet again, particularly given the media harassment he and his family had suffered as a result of prior leaks of Mr. McNally’s name and hometown. The distress to him and his family caused by the ensuing media attention was described in detail to the investigators. With this background, there was a high hurdle before the Patriots would ask Mr. McNally to appear yet again for what would be his fifth interview, and a particular desire to be sure that the standard for another interview — unanticipated circumstances — was met.

While the report states that certain of Mr. Jastremski’s texts were not “discovered” until after this interview (pg. 75, footnote 47), there is no question that the investigators had all such texts in their possession and available for the questioning. They apparently just overlooked them, identifying them now as a matter they wanted to cover in yet another interview. (pg. 75) Although asked numerous times for the reason for their request for yet another interview with Mr. McNally, the Wells investigators never stated the reason that now appears evident from the Report: They had overlooked texts in their earlier interviews and wanted the opportunity to ask about them. This information would have confirmed what is now clear. The request was inconsistent with the interview protocol agreed to at the outset.

Although receiving no assurances that the requested additional Mr. McNally interview would satisfy the agreed-upon interview protocol, Patriots counsel nonetheless suggested that there might be ways other than another in-person interview to get whatever further information was sought. Patriots counsel offered to be of assistance in those respects. There was no follow-up from the investigators. It now appears that the Patriots are being severely punished because the Wells investigative team apparently overlooked materials they had in their possession long before their interview with Mr. McNally — scarcely an “unanticipated circumstance” calling for yet another interview — and refused to disclose their reason for an additional interview. There was no refusal to cooperate by the Patriots.

 

[OSHAN]

Did the NFL think the Pats were just going to roll over on this?

 

[Skellig Gra]

Did the NFL think the Pats were just going to roll over on this?

If they were smart they would.

 

[riotous]

The response actually covers that pretty in depth and has this excerpt of emails between Wells and Goldberg (Pats attorney).

Interesting, thanks.

edit: Still don't see how the texts that were shown suddenly shed some light on this weight loss theory.. the fact that they claim the fat guy told the skinny guy to "deflate" doesn't help matters.

 

[jWILL253]

If they were just talking about body weight... why did the Patriots suspend both employees without pay?

 

[entremet]

Did the NFL think the Pats were just going to roll over on this?

Of course not.

But the CBA is the huge kicker here. That's advantage NFL.

Besides if this goes to court, lawyers have access to more info through the process of discovery--so they could subpoena Brady's phone and emails.

 

[ampere]

If they were just talking about body weight... why did the Patriots suspend both employees without pay?

Immature and defamatory remarks about other employees?

I mean if my boss saw that I was messaging "Fuck Joe" and Joe was a co-worker, I'd be disciplined.

 

[Quotient]

If they were just talking about body weight... why did the Patriots suspend both employees without pay?

I read, could be wrong, that the league punishment was they could no longer be involved in football.

EDIT: Ciassu make a good point. Defamatory remarks towards Brady is going to have you out the door pretty quick.

 

[Gigglepoo]

If they were smart they would.

Even if they did nothing wrong? Remember, they didn't fight SpyGate.

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

I can't believe someone would call themselves the "deflator" in reference to losing weight.

Just such strange word choice, do we have a picture of these guys? Is one of them balloon?

 

[Skellig Gra]

Even if they did nothing wrong? Remember, they didn't fight SpyGate.

At the very least Brady didn't cooperate with the investigation. had he done that things would most likely be a lot different.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Even if they did nothing wrong? Remember, they didn't fight SpyGate.

:lol They put out that absolute mess of an explanation and you're still fighting that they're innocent? Dear god.

 

[spyder_ur]

I can't believe someone would call themselves the "deflator" in reference to losing weight.

Just such strange word choice, do we have a picture of these guys? Is one of them balloon?

There are pictures out there. He's a heavier guy. Like I said earlier, it would be one of the most unfortunate word choices ever.

 

[LyleLanley]

[omitted out of respect to Mrs. Jastremski]

 

[TheFatOne]

Of course not.

But the CBA is the huge kicker here. That's advantage NFL.

Besides if this goes to court, lawyers have access to more info through the process of discovery--so they could subpoena Brady's phone and emails.

It works both ways though, and the league wants no part of that.

 

[entremet]

It works both ways though, and the league wants no part of that.

But what does the league have to hide here? The investigation was independent.

 

[Tawpgun]

Have the two ball guys made any statements? They are seemingly nowhere to be seen despite being at the center of this

 

[Quotient]

At the very least Brady didn't cooperate with the investigation. had he done that things would most likely be a lot different.

He did cooperate in attending the interview and answering questions, but he refused to hand over electronic communication, his reasoning being any communication between himself and JJ/McNally would be on their phones and as such his phone wasn't required. It should also be noted that Gostkowski didn't hand over his phone either.

Have the two ball guys made any statements? They are seemingly nowhere to be seen despite being at the center of this

They are in hiding. I'm sure most of Boston is looking for them...

 

[Beefy]

At the very least Brady didn't cooperate with the investigation. had he done that things would most likely be a lot different.

But would you trust that your personal msgs, pics etc wouldn't be leaked? I wouldn't.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

He did cooperate in attending the interview and answering questions, but he refused to hand over electronic communication, his reasoning being any communication between himself and JJ/McNally would be on their phones and as such his phone wasn't required. It should also be noted that Gostkowski didn't hand over his phone either.

Seems reasonable to me.

 

[Gigglepoo]

:lol They put out that absolute mess of an explanation and you're still fighting that they're innocent? Dear god.

I didn't say that. If they think they're innocent, they should fight. Why let the NFL slander you if you think you did nothing wrong?

 

[Tawpgun]

Yeah I don't get why they needed Brady's phone if they could get their texts from McNally and jatremeski


I guess to see if he texted anyone else?

 

[Gigglepoo]

Yeah I don't get why they needed Brady's phone if they could get their texts from McNally and jatremeski

I mean, if given the chance, wouldn't you want Brady's phone?

 

[spyder_ur]

But what does the league have to hide here? The investigation was independent.

And included very little information on the conduct of the NFL during the investigation even after the patriots asked for it to be. The response by the Pats highlights it - I quoted it on a post last page (on mobile).

The Goodell testimony in the Rice appeal was disastrous. Honestly, I don't think either side wants this to go too far.

 

[sonycowboy]

I can't believe someone would call themselves the "deflator" in reference to losing weight.

Just such strange word choice, do we have a picture of these guys? Is one of them balloon?

Patriots are such garbage. Do they honestly expect people to believe that being the "deflator" is solely in reference to weight? I'm sure that between the two of them, they called McNally the deflator because of his deflating the damn balls. The fact that they may have extended the "nickname" to other areas is the only reasonable way to explain this.

What a fucking joke. I'd say fine them another $1M and first round pick. They're just being dicks now.

 

[entremet]

But would you trust that your personal msgs, pics etc wouldn't be leaked? I wouldn't.

They just wanted to see the phone with Brady there. There weren't going to take the phones away from Brady.

Wells even said he would take their word for it!

They completely stonewalled Wells.

 

[Spinluck]

I mean, if given the chance, wouldn't you want Brady's phone?

Sure.

If I could expose him as a fraud.

Before it is posted again, no we don't care about Gisele. She's not even the hottest NFL wife/gf, most famous though? Sure she is.

As you can see, some QBs have no issue handing over their phones.

 

[Beefy]

They just wanted to see the phone with Brady there. There weren't going to take the phones away from Brady.

Wells even said he would take their word for it!

They completely stonewalled Wells.

What if he had something bad on there? (Not about deflating balls). Like personal or something like that? I wouldn't trust any one with that info. I'm not defending Pats btw, if they cheated they cheated.

 

[LyleLanley]

Before it is posted again, no we don't care about Gisele. She's not even the hottest NFL wife/gf, most famous though? Sure she is.

I will fight you.

 

[Beefy]

Sure.

If I could expose him as a fraud.

Before it is posted again, no we don't care about Gisele. She's not even the hottest NFL wife/gf, most famous though? Sure she is.

As you can see, some QBs have no issue handing over their phones.

Only because it's a pile of shit.

 

[Spinluck]

I will fight you.

Reported.

Only because it's a pile of shit.

Kind of like his games against the Pats

 

[Quotient]

This is the best line of the Patriots response:

The report does not address whether one minute and 40 is consistent with the time that it takes a gentleman to enter a bathroom, relieve himself, wash his hands, and leave.

Alright GAF i think we can do our own little test here!

 

[Elwood Blues]

Can't wait for the actual season to start. Without Tom Brady obviously.

 

[jman2050]

So the lesson from this web site here is that the Patriots themselves are just as delusional as their fans.

 

[Beefy]

This is the best line of the Patriots response:



Alright GAF i think we can do our own little test here!

If the guy is on creatine it would be double that.

 

[Quotient]

So the lesson from this web site here is that the Patriots themselves are just as delusional as their fans.

Have you read it or the Well's report?

 

[hom3land]

He did cooperate in attending the interview and answering questions, but he refused to hand over electronic communication, his reasoning being any communication between himself and JJ/McNally would be on their phones and as such his phone wasn't required. It should also be noted that Gostkowski didn't hand over his phone either...

Evidence that no one cares about the kicker.. Even in multi-million dollar investigations.

 

[Crisco]

Hahahahahahha, I don't think the Patriots understand what "context" is, in regards to electronic communication. It doesn't mean "adjacent".

 

[Spinluck]

So the lesson from this web site here is that the Patriots themselves are just as delusional as their fans.

Pretty much.

Not sure how anyone can read that and say it's an objective perspective on the matter.

Loltriots.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

So apparently the Patriots have published a website detailed their side of the story: http://wellsreportcontext.com/

I'm not sure if this is really by the Patriots or just a fan with alot of time.

So many suits are getting paid bank to write so many words about balls

Dorito Dink.

LOL

are we really supposed to believe this is really what deflator meant?

 

[Quotient]

There was a second way that Mr. Jastremski and Mr. McNally used the term “deflation” or “deflator” which the report disregards. The Wells investigators had the May 9, 2014 “deflator”/espn text string in their possession several weeks before their full day, four lawyer-staffed interviews with each of Mr. McNally and Mr. Jastremski. They came to the interviews with laptops, documentation and had obviously prepared extensively for each interview. They never asked either of them about that May 9 “deflator”/espn text. .

This is interesting. Well's claims that they only found the "deflator" text after they interviewed McNally, the Patriots counsel states otherwise.

 

[VeryGooster]

LOL

are we really supposed to believe this is really what deflator meant?

#PatsFacts

 

[LyleLanley]

Beyond the deflator portion that site does bring up some fair points. It mostly makes the NFL look incompetent. Also:

 

[eissan]

I understand that we are all invested in our own teams but I really appreciate the subtle trolling here in this thread!

I think I will subscribe to the OT NFL thread this season if there is more of this there .

 

[Tawpgun]

What If they found evidence that proves pats are innocent and it gets goodell fired.

Would pats be the heroes of the NFL?

Would Tom Brady get an award from Obama?

 

[LyleLanley]

I understand that we are all invested in our own teams but I really appreciate the subtle trolling here in this thread!

I think I will subscribe to the OT NFL thread this season if there is more of this there .

NFL-GAF is many things, subtle isn't one of those.

 

[Stet]

What If they found evidence that proves pats are innocent and it gets goodell fired.

Would pats be the heroes of the NFL?

And what if Tom Brady ends up single-handedly defeating ISIS??

 

[Crisco]

.

 

[LyleLanley]

And what if Tom Brady ends up single-handedly defeating ISIS??

We'd probably have some great posts from Jabee telling us why ISIS was good.

 

[Tawpgun]

And what if Tom Brady ends up single-handedly defeating ISIS??

Tom Brady in January: this isn't ISIS

America: oh shit true

America stops worrying about balls and defeats Isis.

Thanks Tom