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[Kid Kamikaze10]

I think you're putting words in his mouth there. Might want to scale the defense back a tad.

I agreed.

I'm proud of my alma mater too, but if some racist shit came out from a professor or higher up, I wouldn't be surprised either. Frankly, I've dealt with it first hand more than enough times.

And my college is way more liberal than Duke.

 

[TheSpoiler]

“I am a professor at Duke University,” he admitted.

Not anymore.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

I think you're putting words in his mouth there. Might want to scale the defense back a tad.

What does "not surprised" serve in a rhetorical sense? Would NC State somehow be more surprising? What about Pomona?

 

[deadlast]

What does "not surprised" serve in a rhetorical sense? Would NC State somehow be more surprising? What about Pomona?

Woah, Woah, Woah... You leave NC State out of this. Their Science depart is doing God's work, trying to modify the flavor of beer while sticking to the Reinheitsgebot.

Also, this guy is pretty old and this is not his first offense. Behold, the power of tenure. http://www.dukechronicle.com/articl...arations-ad-lacks-political-tact#.VVn4WBdnU4t

 

[Infinite]

Based on the full paper linked by Cagey,

it seems that it is different from just seeking other kids in similar circumstances; it's rather that kids who do well are punished socially in their peer groups for performing well in school.

This seems like the crabs in the barrel argument hiding behind academia tbqh

 

[andycapps]

Not anymore.

He's been at Duke forever, I'm sure he's tenured. I doubt he'll get fired, slap on the wrist maybe.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

How can you be a professor of history and have this:

Hough added that blacks made the problem worse by refusing to date white people

Come out of your mouth?

Yeah, you could date white people, but then 15 young men with rifles and dogs were at your doorstep. Black integration was fought every step of the way in this country.

 

[Two Words]

Immigrating Asians paint a skewed image of Asians. You're not going to work hard to leave your native country and go to America just to get lazy and do nothing. Working hard enough to be able to make it here already says a lot about you. So if you're going to compare the hard working people of a minority to an entire minority's, ofcourse you see a difference. The same can be seen with African immigrants. There's plenty of lazy Asians and Africans that simply end up living their lives in their native country.

Humanity is a bell curve and in America we are seeing the father end of that bell curve with immigrants. It's stupid to try and tell the entire African American bell curve to be just like the best of another bell curve.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

He's been at Duke forever, I'm sure he's tenured. I doubt he'll get fired, slap on the wrist maybe.

They'll push him out for sure. Ask him to take a leave or whatnot, cut his class sizes, the works.

How can you be a professor of history and have this:

Come out of your mouth?

Yeah, you could date white people, but then 15 young men with rifles and dogs were at your doorstep. Black integration was fought every step of the way in this country.

He's a polisci professor focused on foreigh policy. not an authority by any means.

 

[EdibleKnife]

How can you be a professor of history and have this:

Come out of your mouth?

Yeah, you could date white people, but then 15 young men with rifles and dogs were at your doorstep. Black integration was fought every step of the way in this country.

His disdain for the race beats out the facts that he had to have come across in his however many years learning history.

 

[TalonJH]

“[T]he blacks get symbolic recognition in an utterly incompetent mayor who handled this so badly from beginning to end that her resignation would be demanded if she were white,” he wrote. “The blacks get awful editorials like this that tell them to feel sorry for themselves."

The unique name thing didn't start til the 70's.

Hough added that blacks made the problem worse by refusing to date white people.

...What.

 

[akira28]

I hope he wasn't a history professor.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

why can't you negroes by more like the asians

they brought their bootstraps with them when they sailed over

why did u leave your bootstraps in africa

or right u didn't wear shoes

 

[helloresolven]

Unfortunately we're still missing some part of the equation for that :/

education+good upbringing+decency+??? = no racism

Where are decent racists?

 

[Zekes!]

Damn that isn't even Diet Racism, but full blown, cold, Original, Classic Racism

 

[Figboy79]

I'm just going to name my kid "Hummis". White people love hummis.

This guy is a racist. Not much real discussion to be had here on my part. There are literally millions of educated people in this country that think just like him. His mind is made up and there's no changing it.

Black people aren't given the same consideration for their rights as others. It is known. At this point, I'm sick of having this conversation.

I should be a ballerina, considering how pro ball I am at walking on eggshells so non blacks will feel comfortable. I'm pretty much out of fucks to give at this point.

Being married to my white wife certainly hasn't made a difference in jack shit. Having a last name like Terry hasn't stopped me from being discriminated against by some people. And it certainly didn't stop people from calling me nigger.

This guy should have been more than suspended, but we knew that wasn't going to happen. I just wish parents of students would threaten to pull their kids out if the university as long as that professor is still employed there. But that would take a dedicated effort to send a message that were are unified, black, white, etc, etc, and racism will not be tolerated in any form any longer.

 

[Future]

The names thing felt like the worst part. Black people should get white names to show their desire to integrate. Wtf. Even if you were to consider this seriously for a second (which nobody should), comparing asian families trying to move to the U.S. To black people brought over through slavery and forced to live In a country while enduring systematic racism for generations..... What???

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

Yeah, that shit was dumb and racist Future. That's the same mentality from the oppressors who came to this country centuries ago.

 

[kess]

Damn that isn't even Diet Racism, but full blown, cold, Original, Classic Racism

Ahhhh, so refreshingly brazen!

 

[EdibleKnife]

The names thing felt like the worst part. Black people should get white names to show their desire to integrate. Wtf.

The names thing makes zero sense. Literally every race in the US has names plucked from varied cultures. White, black, Hispanic, Native American, and Asian people all have individuals with distinctly foreign names from German to Vietnamese to Portugese and beyond. Acting like a girl named Lakeisha is the fucking weirdest thing in the universe and the center of the racial divide is imbecilic. Harvard should take back their degrees just for that shit.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Ahhhh, so refreshingly brazen!

it's quite refreshing, tbh. veiled racism is so fatiguing because it requires an academic exercise to help people see it and why it's a problem. this? this requires no effort at all to help people understand.

 

[KidGalactus]

Integrate into what exactly? Some of our families have been here since before this was a country.

 

[Sch1sm]

Integrate into what exactly? Store of our families have been here since before this was a country.

Good question.

I think this professor is confused. He doesn't want integration - people can integrate despite having different names and cultural upbringing. What he's looking for is assimilation. For everyone to act, sound, and do the same; share those similarities so things run without a hitch.

 

[ChrisD]

But "Black names" are cool. Same with "Russian names," "Asian names," and "Mexican names." They're more unique in America just on the basis of people not using them often. They're an actual NAME. My name is the same as millions of people around me. And I like it, but it's definitely no unique word to set me apart with.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Also, Duke has a pretty good write-up. http://www.dukechronicle.com/articl...comment-new-york-times-editorial#.VVnxtxdnU4s

Holy crap the comments on that article are as bad as the professor's

 

[ryutaro's mama]

The paternalizing of Black people in America continues...

:|

 

[soleil]

Ought to lose his job and no I don't care about him and his family he should have thought about that before he said it.

Thanks for getting this out of the way before some people come in with the idea that having kids/family is a get-out-of-jail-free card that people with no kids/family don't get to have.

 

[zeemumu]

WTF is that professor on?

Hey, when your head is that far up your own ass, you don't get the oxygen necessary for your brain to function properly and make sane decisions.

 

[djplaeskool]

How does GAF feel about this reddit post?

http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike..._how_did_adding_le_or_de_to_the_beginning_of/

As someone who has recently done some genealogical research for a family reunion, both me and my pops found out that the 'slavery wall' is quite real. Somewhere around the end of the first quarter of the 19th century, records for my family vanish. That being said, my folks were always steadfastly attached to our family name.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Good question.

I think this professor is confused. He doesn't want integration - people can integrate despite having different names and cultural upbringing. What he's looking for is assimilation. For everyone to act, sound, and do the same; share those similarities so things run without a hitch.

The "melting pot" ideal is very popular. Particularly among white folk, for whom being a monolithic group provided advantages over being identified by country of origin, as some Euro immigrants were looked down upon and treated harshly depending on country of origin but could blend with enough effort. "Melting pot" was never and will never be an option for most people of color, and now the concept is used to erase the cultural heritage of people of color.

No, GAF, I don't want to be in a "melting pot". I don't want to shed my cultural heritage or forget my people's history. It's saying you don't want to see me. I will accept a "salad bowl" where all of our individual experiences and cultures come together to make something that tastes delicious when put in the same bowl. I don't want to go to traditional SEA cultural shows and see hip-hop. I don't want to go to an Irish cultural show and hear music played on a Japanese Koto. Don't lose your historical identity. I want to be able to experience everyone and everything in its proper context (unless I'm at a Fusion event). It's better, more authentic and more valuable that way.

 

[LiK]

ROFLMAO.

He was only suspended? Why would you want someone who is willing to express this thought process in public to teach at your school?

probably the whole freedom of speech crap. same thing happened recently with a black female professor at BU. she was only suspended and not fired for tweeting racist tweets against white people.

 

[excelsiorlef]

probably the whole freedom of speech crap. same thing happened recently with a black female professor at BU. she was only suspended and not fired for tweeting racist tweets against white people.

Have you read her tweets?

You can't even begin to put them on the same level as what this guy said holy crap.

 

[Africanus]

How does GAF feel about this reddit post?

A very interesting and informative post!
It also made me realize that the last slaves did die only a few decades ago (1940-1970) I never thought about that. And yet people brush it off as if the experience is half a millennia away.

 

[Garlador]

Why should black people integrate with old-fashioned white people names?

Why shouldn't more white people integrate with black people names?


Like Tobias Onyango Fünke!

 

[Tamanon]

The good news is that this professor will help black college students avoid wasting their time pursuing a PoliSci degree and steer them towards something more useful.

 

[Buzzati]

The good news is that this professor will help black college students avoid wasting their time pursuing a PoliSci degree and steer them towards something more useful.

If you go to Duke, you're fine with a political science degree.

 

[Degen]

Hough noted that “the Asians” faced discrimination throughout U.S. history: “They didn’t feel sorry for themselves, but worked doubly hard.”

on plantations, or...?

“I am a professor at Duke University,” he admitted. “Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration.”

"American" being synonymous with "white Christian," or...?

Hough added that blacks made the problem worse by refusing to date white people.

because it's not basically the end of the world when a racist sees a white girl with a black guy, or...?

 

[archangelmorph]

The not dating white girls thing is actually dumb-f***ing hilarious...

You only have to look at recent polls to understand that even today, most white girls in the US wouldn't even want to date a black guy, I suspect radically moreso in the early 1900s...

 

[YoungHav]

His post is amazing for all the wrong reasons.

 

[t26]

They'll push him out for sure. Ask him to take a leave or whatnot, cut his class sizes, the works.



He's a polisci professor focused on foreigh policy. not an authority by any means.

Not if he is tenured. We seem professor said worst things such as denying 911 and not forced out

 

[andycapps]

Good question.

I think this professor is confused. He doesn't want integration - people can integrate despite having different names and cultural upbringing. What he's looking for is assimilation. For everyone to act, sound, and do the same; share those similarities so things run without a hitch.

Seems like it. Basically, start behaving more like the majority, is what I get out of it.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Not if he is tenured. We seem professor said worst things such as denying 911 and not forced out

He was already on leave this year and he said he's going to stop teaching in 2016.

He'll still collect a paycheck from Duke, but he won't be teaching students for long.

 

[Sober]

He's a polisci professor focused on foreigh policy. not an authority by any means.

Thank goodness he isn't a history professor. That would be super embarrassing if so. That being said I've never heard of history professors saying absolutely stupid shit of this level, but I try not to keep track of these things.

 

[Goliath]

I think one fact people might not realize when they compare Asian immigrants to Hispanic immigrants or African Americans, is that many times when Asians immigrate, they come to the U.S. with MONEY and EDUCATION.

They may come here and finish up college or grad school but they come here with a SIGNIFICANT advantage over many of the laboring Hispanic immigrants and African Americans. We already know that if you come from a family with successful, well educated parents with resources you have a way better chance of success yourself then if you come from a poor family with no resources.

All the American names and assimilating in the world can't make up for growing up in a crappy environment, with no money and more immediate concerns that pull kids away from studying and finishing school.

 

[guek]

I think one fact people might not realize when they compare Asian immigrants to Hispanic immigrants or African Americans, is that many times when Asians immigrate, they come to the U.S. with MONEY and EDUCATION.

They may come here and finish up college or grad school but they come here with a SIGNIFICANT advantage over many of the laboring Hispanic immigrants and African Americans. We already know that if you come from a family with successful, well educated parents with resources you have a way better chance of success yourself then if you come from a poor family with no resources.

All the American names and assimilating in the world can't make up for growing up in a crappy environment, with no money and more immediate concerns that pull kids away from studying and finishing school.

I hate this kind of talk for perpetuating the notion that Asians somehow have it easy.

I'm Asian.
Parents are immigrants.
Grew up in a family of 5 with an annual income of about 25k.
Moved around constantly due to my dad's work.
All 3 kids went to college.
Faced regular discrimination throughout my life.
I'm a doctor.
Life was hard for a long fuckin time.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

How does GAF feel about this reddit post?

http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike..._how_did_adding_le_or_de_to_the_beginning_of/

it's a fine offering for the discussion.

 

[Peltz]

The "melting pot" ideal is very popular. Particularly among white folk, for whom being a monolithic group provided advantages over being identified by country of origin, as some Euro immigrants were looked down upon and treated harshly depending on country of origin but could blend with enough effort. "Melting pot" was never and will never be an option for most people of color, and now the concept is used to erase the cultural heritage of people of color.

No, GAF, I don't want to be in a "melting pot". I don't want to shed my cultural heritage or forget my people's history. It's saying you don't want to see me. I will accept a "salad bowl" where all of our individual experiences and cultures come together to make something that tastes delicious when put in the same bowl. I don't want to go to traditional SEA cultural shows and see hip-hop. I don't want to go to an Irish cultural show and hear music played on a Japanese Koto. Don't lose your historical identity. I want to be able to experience everyone and everything in its proper context (unless I'm at a Fusion event). It's better, more authentic and more valuable that way.

I have a genuine question about this post.

Does "melting pot" as an expression always entail an implied desire for the erasure of cultural heritage? If so, then I've been using the expression incorrectly and for that I apologize.

I always assumed "melting pots" are like the way you describe the salad bowl: true representation of different cultures in one place... and for me personally, a true desire to be among those with a different culture and lifestyle than myself. As a white person who has used the expression in a fond sense, that has always been what I intended it to mean and now I worry that I've inadvertently offended many people by using the words in that sense.

So, should I avoid using that expression?

 

[Buzzati]

I have a genuine question about this post.

Does "melting pot" as an expression always entail an implied desire for the erasure of cultural heritage? If so, then I've been using the expression incorrectly and for that I apologize.

I always assumed "melting pots" are like the way you describe the salad bowl: true representation of different cultures in one place... and for me personally, a true desire to be among those with a different culture and lifestyle than myself. As a white person who has used the expression in a fond sense, that has always been what I intended it to mean.

Should I avoid using that expression?

"Melting pot" is a colloquial term, not a textual one. It generally connotes what you have assumed it to mean.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Does "melting pot" as an expression always entail an implied desire for the erasure of cultural heritage? If so, then I've been using the expression incorrectly and for that I apologize.

it usually does.

"melting pot" generally refers to individual groups leaving behind parts (sometimes large parts) of their cultural heritage to embrace and conform to some common culture's standards and practices, usually embraced by the majority. a given group is expected to add a few things to said pot, but the overarching goal is to blend in.

that said, if you specify you mean something else, people will roll with it. it shouldn't be an issue as long as you provide context to what you're saying when you say it.

 

[CharlieDigital]

I hate this kind of talk for perpetuating the notion that Asians somehow have it easy.

I'm Asian.
Parents are immigrants.
Grew up in a family of 5 with an annual income of about 25k.
Moved around constantly due to my dad's work.
All 3 kids went to college.
Faced regular discrimination throughout my life.
I'm a doctor.
Life was hard for a long fuckin time.

I have a similar background.

Immigrated with my mother when I was 4.
Grew up in family of 3 (Mom, sister) with an annual income of 25K
Moved around constantly due to my mom's work (MA->IL->Taipei->NY->NJ->NJ).
Both my sister and I went to college (sister went to UPenn + Wharton MBA)
Life was hard for a long fuckin' time (maybe more so because my Mom was a single Mom).

But let's be real: "Faced regular discrimination" is not something I would say Asians could compare to what black Americans go through. Sure, there were some names thrown my way when I was growing up, but I don't think I'd call that "discrimination".

In a sense, there is a positive Asian stereotype that works in our favor that simply isn't present for black Americans. Good at math, studies hard, nerd, quiet, well behaved, etc.

In the big picture of things, Asians do have it relatively "easy" compared to Hispanics or blacks. I don't think you can even compare the levels of actual, systemic discrimination faced by blacks with what is faced by Asians partially because of the positive stereotypes associated with Asians.