MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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Well at least they are being upfront about it. However, I wish they would release an equally transparent statement about their current plan with Now. There are a few games like Demons Souls, Dragons dogma, Nier, etc... that I really want to play and so I'm thinking of just buying a used PS3.
The BC for XBONE sounds awesome, but from what I remember of the 360 it won't end up well. Though I only paid attention to it for the first year or so.
The BC for XBONE sounds awesome, but from what I remember of the 360 it won't end up well. Though I only paid attention to it for the first year or so.
KillerSloth
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LOL at thinking making 360 games run on x1 which share very similar architecutue is near the same as cell, people struggled with cell for years and it took a unique approach to coding on ps3, not even close to the same.
Uh... That's not how percentages work.
Triggerhappytel
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It's a nice feature to have but it's not a megaton any more whereas it would have been a big boon had it been there right out of the gate. However, I would completely understand if Sony's don't bother doing it (spoiler:
) as it's a feature which will probably only be used by a tiny subset of consumers and is really more of a list warz bullet point than anything.
they won't
nelsonroyale
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I think it is a good feature, but I am not to fussed to be honest. It would be good for the younger gen who haven't played the games from last gen though.
The thing is they have a 360 x86 emulator, maybe they can start selling these on Windows 10 if they felt like tinot every game has a PC version and these all would unique to their own store with compatibility with 360 players. Every PC is a 360... never happening but something to think about.
Edram.
RedAssedApe
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at the very least they should look at the pricing structure for PS Now.
Xaero Gravity
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Lol even with BC, a few people still try and find a way to spin it into a negative. That's some dedication.
Granted it was only like two or three people.
Granted it was only like two or three people.
Oh you mean during that era before gamers had an extensive library of digital games on their PSN accounts? Surely you see that there is a difference when talking about last gen to this gen now eh?
Z_Y
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I found this quote particularly hilarious coming from a Sony rep.
I'd be happy if Sony could hire a software engineer that figures out that just because my notifications tab is full of messages saying "Can't upload save XXXX" (because their online save storage is woefully inadequate) ...that shouldn't give me a seemingly unrelated error preventing me from uploading a video/screenshot.
ChronotriggerJM
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Well you also need to consider that the best multi-plat experiences of last gen were on the 360. BC on the PS3 would let me play old games that frankly ran kind of shitty. Would I want my PS4 to be able to play the PS3 version of bayonetta? Not really.
I think it's nice that BC is getting a push by MS, I just hope, moving forward, that better hardware will enable better experiences, like they do on the PC.
That said, I think PSNow is an amazing service, and would love to see it continually added onto. I don't use it on my PS4 to play PS3 games, I use it on my Vita to play PS3 games lol. Huge difference, and literally impossible otherwise. I understand peoples apprehension towards it though, and understand that it's not for everyone.
coughlanio
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lol
TerryWogan
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If they have to remaster/stream PS3 games, fine, but I see no reason from a technical point of view why we can't have emulation for PS1 and PS2. That's all I want.
And not blocking used games doesn't appease "poor people"?
Actually multi-disc games still pose an issue for X1 emulation according to Phil (Day1 E3 Bombcast). Hence why Lost Oddyssey and Blue Dragon have not made it on the list yet.
People are really over valuing backwards compatibility. Is it a nice feature? hell yeah! Having only 20 backwards compatible titles is retarded and shows how much they really care about this (not much). Hopefully they prove me wrong, i just dont see this as a feature that will make people go out and buy one. of course My opinion and all that jazz.
I know local BC on PS4 of PS3 games may be basically impossible, but I just wish Playstation would take a page from Microsoft and at least say "The digital PS3 games you own that are available through PSNow are yours for free."
They should do the same for disc based games I own that are on PSNow, but I'm not a greedy man, I'll be good with my digitally purchased games.
They should do the same for disc based games I own that are on PSNow, but I'm not a greedy man, I'll be good with my digitally purchased games.
TerryWogan
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Exactly. It's bullshit justification. We can only guess at their genuine motives. They shouldn't be telling people what they want and don't want. There's another reason and I imagine it has a little something to do with making money.
Meh, I am sure if Sony invested in it, they could have gave us the BC, since especially they know the coding of their own system. You should watch the Giantbomb interview since they talked about the emulating process, and it sounded fairly complex!
I wish companies took BC seriously, because there are a lot of last gen games I wanted to buy and I am not hooking up another console to do so!
As it stands we don't know what percentage of Xbox 360 games will be eventually supported on Xbox one - right now the list is very small, and we don't know how much that list will grow in the next year or more.
The argument that this is a great move by Microsoft will be weak if only a small percentage of games are covered, though if Microsoft can cover the vast majority of Xbox 360 games in the next year, then i would deem it a fantastic move.
Sony's response is a valid one, they don't see the value in providing that service, and as we saw with the PS3, the demand for BC very quickly faded, not to mention the significant resources it would take to emulate the PS3.
The argument that this is a great move by Microsoft will be weak if only a small percentage of games are covered, though if Microsoft can cover the vast majority of Xbox 360 games in the next year, then i would deem it a fantastic move.
Sony's response is a valid one, they don't see the value in providing that service, and as we saw with the PS3, the demand for BC very quickly faded, not to mention the significant resources it would take to emulate the PS3.
It's a really nice feature to have but yeah the pratical importance is limited, people want to play new games, occasionally it's nice to replay something old but it's a limited thing.
Remasters are the best way to play old games although obviously it has a cost and they are only made for the most successful titles.
Still Sony has a lot of work to do to make PSNow a truly appealing service and they're not really justified not to have emulators ready for Psone and PS2 digital games available on the store, also considering that Vita is dead they could also add PSP compatibilty to PS4.
But yeah I see that they add really little value to them and they might think it's better to develop other PS4 features although even there they have been too slow.
Remasters are the best way to play old games although obviously it has a cost and they are only made for the most successful titles.
Still Sony has a lot of work to do to make PSNow a truly appealing service and they're not really justified not to have emulators ready for Psone and PS2 digital games available on the store, also considering that Vita is dead they could also add PSP compatibilty to PS4.
But yeah I see that they add really little value to them and they might think it's better to develop other PS4 features although even there they have been too slow.
lol, really? Wouldn't focusing on new IP and current gen games make more sense for everyone?
DarthWalden
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This is a poor response. Especially given the stuff they are pushing are things PSnow and Playshare. This is Sony saying ignoring what it's fan base wants and opting for what it wants to implement.
With the advent of digital titles and the minimal jump in IQ from previou generations to this generation compared to before means that BC is much more relevant and useful then in the past. These digital flash sales with 360 games now mEan some thing xb1 owners. Its a great addition to my xb1 to have a good chunk of my titles that I purchased digitally available to me with a few button presses.
With the advent of digital titles and the minimal jump in IQ from previou generations to this generation compared to before means that BC is much more relevant and useful then in the past. These digital flash sales with 360 games now mEan some thing xb1 owners. Its a great addition to my xb1 to have a good chunk of my titles that I purchased digitally available to me with a few button presses.
Ninja Scooter
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It's not a huge feature, especially not 2 years in when a lot of people that care about this sort of thing have made their console purchasing decisions, but it's a good bullet point for something like E3 and gives them some good will and a nice pop. Ultimately it also lets people play their old games which, for the people that are into that sort of thing, is cool.
LegalEagleMike
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over 100 titles will be available when it is officially launched. All first party titles that are not kinect only games will make their way to BC.
GusZamboni
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well, i was very sad about uninstall my 360 of my room, cuz some of my friends still play it on live, and now i can play with them some of the games i still love on 360 like gears 3 or borderlands 1 and SF4 ( soon as they are avaliable) ... this is a great news for me
I'm not trying to say they'd have avoided the entire DRM fiasco; in fact, I'm sure things would remain the same in that regard. I'm purely speaking about him being receptive to fans feedback and suggestions. If BC was such a highly requested feature, I'm sure he'd have more of a say to include it if he was head during the days of development.
It's definitely a great thing to have, but it comes at a cost and with the og PS3 experience Sony has (so far) determined that it wasn't worth the investment (particularly when the PS3 Cell architecture was so painful to get into, needed so many tricks and detours with SPEs to use for rendering, and now would be hell to emulate).
IF it becomes a hot point of contention for hardware/ service sales, Sony could always implement a "disc - check" and "library check" to unlock access to PSNow titles that you would already own (but unlike a true emulation it would both require constant high bandwidth connection and incur server costs for them and no income).
I doubt it will (become a hot point of contention) though...
In any case, no two ways around it, it's a definite plus for the XB1 (just probably won't be a "big" plus for most people).
IF it becomes a hot point of contention for hardware/ service sales, Sony could always implement a "disc - check" and "library check" to unlock access to PSNow titles that you would already own (but unlike a true emulation it would both require constant high bandwidth connection and incur server costs for them and no income).
I doubt it will (become a hot point of contention) though...
In any case, no two ways around it, it's a definite plus for the XB1 (just probably won't be a "big" plus for most people).
Beer Monkey
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Says people don't want to play old games.
Sells PS2 classics.
Sells PS2 classics.
Where are they telling you what you want?
Lots of people seemed to misread what he said. They're also simultaneously wrong in thinking that PS Now is intended as backwards compatibility. It isn't, and while that's an interesting side effect, it never was billed as that by Sony.
But the worst part is that people here seemed to have clearly misunderstood what he was saying. The subject here was the approach taken to encourage gamers in the ecosystem to upgrade. Backwards compatibility, as he says, is a legitimate option. So is focusing on the gaming experience and software on the new platform. He then touts those features to highlight that this is also a beneficial path.
But the worst part is that people here seemed to have clearly misunderstood what he was saying. The subject here was the approach taken to encourage gamers in the ecosystem to upgrade. Backwards compatibility, as he says, is a legitimate option. So is focusing on the gaming experience and software on the new platform. He then touts those features to highlight that this is also a beneficial path.
DarthWalden
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The guys who make games and the guys who make the system software are a entirely different group with a different budget.
Thr question should be (based on the response of the interviewee) Would you rather Sony focus on adding features like PSNOW and Playshare or incorporating local BC of PS3, PS2, PS1 titles.
TerryWogan
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"People don't use it."
RedAssedApe
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kind of agree that its not a megaton...but its not a bad thing. those saying it is are just being silly console fanboys.
we are in the age of trade-ins/used games though...many people don't hoard games or keep their old consoles anymore outside of the hardcore. they are one and dones who trade in their games once they beat them to fund the purchase of other games. at most they'll keep a game for a year and trade it in when the next yearly edition comes out (madden, fifa, cod, etc.)
if this was available at launch instead of two years in...maybe a different story.
we are in the age of trade-ins/used games though...many people don't hoard games or keep their old consoles anymore outside of the hardcore. they are one and dones who trade in their games once they beat them to fund the purchase of other games. at most they'll keep a game for a year and trade it in when the next yearly edition comes out (madden, fifa, cod, etc.)
if this was available at launch instead of two years in...maybe a different story.
PS Now is a lot different than BC.
RichiRamjag
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Christ, it's been said multiple times now. PSnow isn't meant to replace backwards compatibility, it is essentially a way to make money on non Sony devices via streaming. I really don't see what excuses the guy made. He basically said they consider it a fairly underused feature and they'd rather spend resources elsewhere. It was actually pretty blunt.
HighResTomato
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Holy shit at people trying to justify Sony's stance on this, so similar to the EA Access announcement thread.
ZeroMaverick
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I respect Sony for sticking with their initial message. Yes, BC would be great because I have this huge stack of unplayed PS3 games sitting here, and I don't want to hook my PS3 back up. But I bought their console based on their promises in February 2013. They've stuck the course, and I respect that. No 180s here lol.
I just wish I would have kept my 360 games because my X1 would have way more value now. Oh well, I'll just play my MCC and be happy with it.
I just wish I would have kept my 360 games because my X1 would have way more value now. Oh well, I'll just play my MCC and be happy with it.
I agree its not a huge feature, but its still nice to have.
Ok. Thats still like only 1% of the total library, but thats progress.
I think having them as an option to purchase digitally is also cool. If I feel like playing RDR one day and I don't have my physical copy or 360 around, I can just buy it off the store without a hassle.
Ninja Scooter
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Nobody is justifying anything. People are being realistic about it. He is saying that Sony doesn't see it as a need and is choosing to put resources elsewhere. Not everything is black/white, good/evil.
What about the Xbox solution is messy, uneven or less than ideal?
All I did was boot my console up yesterday and I had 6 games in my library ready to download and install at the press of a button.
The games show up and are treated as any other game on my Xbox One, and the games play exactly as they do on the 360 (since it is a full Xbox 360 emulation). Sure, I've only played for a few minutes so far, but the games I tried played perfectly.
VolticArchangel
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I'm really happy that there's a thread regarding this and not swept under the rug with the FFVII and Shenmue bomshells that were dropped. This is just fabulous stuff by MSFT, and consumer centric. So we've got the Xbox One and the Wii U with native backward compatibility and just the PS4 waiting to join the party (if it can).
i really wish they would at least try to emulate the cell on the jaguar chip, than just force PS Now as "their solution" to this. If their engineers tried and it was unsuccessful (as we all assume it to be), we've got no way but to embrace it, but please do try it SONY. Can totally see PS1 & PS2 BC happening though.
Also, does GAF think that we need to show our support for BC through a #PS4BACKWARDCOMPATIBILITY twitter campaign ?
i really wish they would at least try to emulate the cell on the jaguar chip, than just force PS Now as "their solution" to this. If their engineers tried and it was unsuccessful (as we all assume it to be), we've got no way but to embrace it, but please do try it SONY. Can totally see PS1 & PS2 BC happening though.
Also, does GAF think that we need to show our support for BC through a #PS4BACKWARDCOMPATIBILITY twitter campaign ?