Weirdest shot for me was this:
Ugh, that shot looks terrible.
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Comic-Con Trailer
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Ugh, that shot looks terrible.
EdibleKnife
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Well Supes is not exactly a stranger to getting pounded by robots or people in suits (Metallo, Suited-up Luthor, etc.). Juke around him, fake him out, have some surprises (all things Bats is capable of if anyone) and you can pretty much go toe to toe with him in a metal suit.
unholyrevenger72
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under the helmet
Regardless of the metal the sudden acceleration of Supes punching him would liquefy his brains
BlackGhost
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Yeah. There are plenty of things to complain about in Man of Steel, but I didn't feel like the visuals were one of them when I was in the theatre, even if those GIFs look super cartoony now.
Anton Sugar
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I almost forgot how great Godzilla's CG is.
That's the thing--it was hard for me to see the bad CG/imperfections because the screen was so big, much of that fight felt like a crazy blur. It's easier to pick it out in the smaller shot. I feel like the opposite is true for some movies.
Sibersk Esto
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The trick is that the monster is barely in it
GringoSuave89
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I want it to be Nth metal, but I don't think Snyder/Terrio are going to throw that out there.
Battersea Power Station
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Juking around someone faster than a bullet is so corny. I'm not complaining -- like I know you have to make some compromises when a human (in a mech suit or otherwise) fights Superman, but in "reality" no normal human should be able to fake out a Kryptonian.
God I want Hawkgirl in these films
SCULLIBUNDO
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How does a metal suit make Batman even remotely fast enough to land a hit on Supes. The idea of them in a fistfight is beyond dumb.
DangerMouse
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That trailer and those gifs in the OP, can't wait.
Their fight was so good.
Faora had impact.
Their fight was so good.
The complaining about them fighting (in regards to this movie) is what's really beyond dumb. I don't think I saw Supes land or even attempt to punch Batman even once so far. Who is to say that Supes is fighting back? Maybe he's just letting batman hit him while Superman talks to him. Or, he's on that kryptonite.
As Snyder said, the suit is not an offensive tool.
EdibleKnife
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Lol I didn't write the guy but that's how it seems to happen with villains that Supes fictionally should be able to rip to pieces in seconds. He gets taken off guard, then pummeled, then he realizes suddenly that he can lift all of Main Street and uses it to smack down his enemy and boom a win for Superman.
I do remember that Snyder said he wanted to emulate the floaty and over the top look found in Anime. Particularly, Birdy The Mighty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQQmQaqxlmE
Personally, I think the fights work very well. It was a wise move to make it look like that, because it gives it sort of an otherworldly feel, if that makes sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQQmQaqxlmE
Personally, I think the fights work very well. It was a wise move to make it look like that, because it gives it sort of an otherworldly feel, if that makes sense.
I googled that shit man. Originally I typed "Faora and the big dude."
this gif does no favors for the film either. it's like a next (next) gen MK vs DC game clip or something.
stiff CG puppets hitting each other. that stop superman does when he gets hit in the neck lol. zod vs supe fight sucked. it displayed superman's power convincingly but it still turned into a cartoon at it's expense.
fuck it, go back to the basics brehs:
that power...that impact...
lol, back to mannequins you mean?
A balance has to be struck here. On the whole it does feel like digital doubles get abused these days. Personally, on MoS, I thought they looked just fine until Zod gets his flight upgrade, then they just become rubber people. Technically the CG is obviously better than Matrix Revolutions, but effectively I'm left with the same I'm watching a cartoon feeling.
It's all the metals.
It's not that dumb, you can even see it in these MoS gifs, Snyderman only moves at super speeds when he is in flight, he doesn't punch at lightspeed or anything.
Also, the movie is called Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice for frick's sake, it's going to be ridiculous no matter. People have to move on from petty complaints of this sort and accept the craziness.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Erm, does Superman not launch his sky-scraper-carving heat vision at Batman in the trailer? Either he forgot he can be where Batman is before Batman jumps out of the way, making the heat vision pointless in that scenario, or he's doing it to fuck with Batman and torching more city blocks because he's once again too dumb to realise the collateral damage his stupid ass causes.
Supes knows both Metallo and Lex have kryptonite so it can be seen that he's more cautious around them since they can whip that out at any time. Not to mention both are extremely intelligent and Lex always has something new to deal with Supes so just going in guns blazing will get him wrecked. There seems to be this misconception that Superman can just "strength" his way out of any situation when he actually needs to think in a lot of his fights.
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Editing. May not be Supes firing the heat vision at all. In the initial teaser trailer we got a drone or the Batwing or whatever the hell it was firing at some parked army trucks and then a cut to an explosion happening around the Batmobile implying that the drone was firing on the Batmobile but the street layouts are completely different.
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No, he cannot. TDKR demonstrated nothing of the sort. It had a Superman that tried to talk to Batman and calm him down without ever really trying to fight while Batman desperately threw punches in his direction until green arrow fired a kryponite arrow.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I don't think it is a petty complaint though. I think it seriously undermines the characters and their intelligence (especially Batman) to put them in a fist-fight against one another. Batman should never, ever be dumb enough to have that be his solution. I would prefer Batman using his intelligence to manoeuvre against Superman as opposed to a slugfest.
We all know the only reason we're getting this is because Snyder fucking loves referencing fan-favourite cum material and part of that catalogue includes Frank Miller's incredibly dumb TDKR encounter.
The only way I'm thinking this works is that Batman is merely trying to antagonize Superman into getting angry enough to really harm or kill him. Bats witnessed what Superman can do, there's no way he believes a little armor is gonna allow him to go toe to toe with Supes.
When they said they were drawing from TDKR I just shook my head.
I don't think it matters. This is a stupid-looking movie, it's probably gonna be stupid. I'm just looking for entertainment here. And hey, maybe there's actually a reason for this confrontation, and maybe why it goes to punching and whatnot,I wouldn't assume they're doing it just becuz.
From the brief glimpse in the trailer it looks like Superman does bother to get out of the way before Batman drives him through a roof. He could be letting Batman get his shots in knowing they won't have any impact on him or he could be weakened somehow.
We have no clue what the suit allows Batman to do or what it is equipped with. If he has found a way to weaken Superman to the point where the suit does do some damage.
That is not superman using the heat vision on batman. That is editing. You really think Superman would use the heat vision against Batman and try to kill him?
pixel monkey
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And no one knows more than Bruce Wayne that he hasn't a chance if he stands toe to toe with Superman. While the Dark Knight Detective is obviously not strong enough to win that fight... he is more than smart enough. Keep in mind that this is a man who not only can, but HAS beaten the Big Blue Boy Scout.
Shamrock7r
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Might need to make a new discussion section on NeoGaf for the frame by frame critique of final product that that this film will incur.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yeah I know it's gonna be dumb. But it's just kind of disappointing - especially given that Snyder has adapted and is thus aware of the higher road option of how to deal with an invulnerable god aka Watchmen.
SCULLIBUNDO
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This is the same Superman from Man of Steel. Yes, I believe Snyder's Superman would absolutely be that dumb/careless.
Yeah K, throwing him in the hair and volleyball-ing him is for fun. Breaking his ribs, shooting him with lasers, all fun and chit chat.
Superman was fighting. The only thing in his favor is that he wasn't at full power. Which is all I will concede.
Batman wasn't trying anything against Clark.
1) he had the timed heart attack to wait for
2) he conceived the kryptonite powder, he said it took years and lots of money to make, but that he had both, fortunately. He also said "Don't worry Clark, this dose won't kill you, it will run out of your body eventually". It is shown that this kryptonite powder lasts for days .
Now granted, Batman can't possibly incapacitate Superman to use such a dangerous arrow/explosive kryptonite ........
Wait, yes, yes he can, he did it twice.
With ultrasounds, impairing his super hearing, which led to Superman bleeding until he destroyed it, and by harvesting the electricity of the whole city.
Oliver was completely irrelevant in the scenario, he asked Bruce to let him deliver the shot because Superman ripped off his arm. Bruce didn't need him.
Never, ever, EVER has he beaten Superman in canon except the INCREDIBLY DUMB Batman: Endgame. So we're talking roughly 1-9 as Superman has beaten Bruce close to a dozen times including, but not limited to, when Bruce had Superpowers himself and when he was infected by the Kryptonite Man and was GLOWING with Kryptonite.
unholyrevenger72
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What if he's just trying to buy time like in BTBTB
There is a difference between being careless due to not being a fighter and fighting a bad guy intent on wiping everyone of earth vs fighting Batman. Superman will never ever use the heat vision on Batman and actively try to kill him.
This. Superman always allows himself to be beaten.
pixel monkey
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He didn't fire lasers or vol;eyball him, he broke three of his ribs to show Bruce how pointless everything he was doing is.
He charged in, blocked a punch, and broke three of his ribs. Bruce early on in that fight talks about Clark trying to talk to him but he can't hear it, and that he should keep talking as Batman attempts to fry his brain.
Bats was absolutely trying, he started the fight by throwing several missiles at Supes along with sonic guns, acid, a tank, allies, and kryptonite.
1. Yes he did, but he took that fight seriously to get his point across to Clark.
2. He also had another plan that he worked on for years for Supes in The Dark Knight Strikes Again. Anyway, doesn't this speak against your point in that Bats spent years to construct a way to defeat Supes but "wasn't really trying anything"?
Again, doesn't this speak against your point? But no, he absolutely needed outside help because, even with all the incapacitation, Superman still caught that kryptonite arrow. Any attempt in front of his face by Bruce he would've seen.
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Hush? You mean the story in which Superman had a car that he was ready to throw on Batman until Catwoman put Lois in mortal danger snapping Clark out of Ivy's control? How did he beat him there?
Those were Bruce's plans twisted to the extreme by a man that has an infinite amount more resources compared to Bruce. Ra's said that comparing the two was like a tear drop in the ocean or something along those lines. Regardless, that was a third party and not Batman. Again, how is that Batman defeating Superman?
Sibersk Esto
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Umm, in Hush he was mostly distracting Superman until Catwoman pushed Lois off a building and they didn't fight in tower of babel. Superman was just exposed to red Kryptonite for awhile until it wore off.
pixel monkey
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But who put the Lois card in play? And who was it that developed the red kryptonite that turned the Boy Scout clear?
It's okay... you can say it.
It's okay... you can say it.
Besides, we've seen Superman's heat vision. It's much more controlled and focused than the big ass Kamehameha that nearly killed Batman.
But who put the Lois card in play? And who was it that developed the red kryptonite that turned the Boy Scout clear?
It's okay... you can say it.
What reductive reasoning. If you want to go down that route then Superman beat himself in Tower of Babel since he gave Bruce a lot of information on Kryptonian biology. As for the Lois card if Batman not dying is seen as him beating Superman then you can say he won.
pixel monkey
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Non-canon.
And he had help from Green Arrow. And a nuke. And it ends with him "dying" and Superman just being mildly annoyed.
This is the reason I fucking hate comics. Nothing is canon.
pixel monkey
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It still counts. That boot to the face will always be there, just like the others. Be it pre-Flashpoint Superman canon, or not. Just as Bruce has stolen his girl (repeatedly)... he owns him in every conceivable way.
Better comics, better animated series, better films. Batman is, and will always be... better than Superman.
TheKaeptain
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Did you just call the Endgame dumb? that shit was genius.
Still counts in what? I said he never beat him in canon so how does a non-canon thing count in this argument?
All subjective. I'm not arguing which is better, just that Bruce has only beaten Clark once in canon and it was the most ass-pullery way I've seen as he defeated the entire Justice League. Just terrible. Every other time, and there have been many including a time where Superman nearly killed Batman, it's been Superman on top. But it's clear that you're not hear to do a point/counter-point so there's no reason to continue debating with you.
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The Justice League fight was moronic, even if you enjoy the story. He just
builds a robotsuit that he uses to take out all the Justice League? Kryptonite laced gum? Come on now.
pixel monkey
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And no, that's incorrect... Oliver asked to fire the shot because Supersellout took his arm. Bruce didn't need the Arrow to finish him off, he gave his friend the honor.
You need not make an argument that Batman can defeat Superman to say Batman is the better super hero. I think Batman is the best super hero of all time and yet can concede that Batman does not stand a chance against superman and can only survive if Superman wants it.
End game was awesome but that Superman fight was pretty meh.
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