Right in your world only "slight nerfs" are ok.
Destiny - Weapon Tuning 2.0
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Right in your world only "slight nerfs" are ok.
wkureservedp2
Member
I hate to hear this, the Thorn is my wrecking ball in the Crucible.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess that's true. As someone who likes Scout Rifles though, there's absolutely no reason to use one in PvP, so when I used to play it, I just adjusted to whatever everyone else was using. I assume there will still be a few default primaries that you are expected to pair with Matador/Her Benevolence anyway.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Get off your fucking high horse dude. Nerfs are nerfs - slight or not.
They stated that they are buffing Auto Riffles - so they get that buffs are also necessary in some cases.
Yup. The tweaks and their reasons are terrible.
Hey guys we know you all make a sandwich while waiting for the icebreaker to reload. Now make 2 sandwiches!!!!!!
They're exotics for a reason. Might as well let us equip multiples if they're going to neuter everything.
benicillin
Banned
Does anyone know when this patch actually hits?
September. Very close to TKK launch, if not the exact same day (15th of September 2015).
DrROBschiz
Member
Yeah its still ok
I never dominated with it in PVP and now it might be a worse option than other primaries. Hard to say until I use it in the new update.
'Just buff everything' is an awful solution.
10% crit reduction
10% damage reduction
After receiving a 100% damage boost. Shotguns in PvE are silly. Boosting them by 100% when the next balance change was 6+ months away is one of the dumbest things they've ever done.
I like almost all of the changes. Icebreaker change is crap. That seems like a PvP nerf hurting PvE. The only reason I ever use it in PvE lately is to heavy ammo glitch. All of the other changes are pretty good. My only problem with them as that they take so long. This game shouldn't be rotting away for 6 months waiting for obvious changes. I called quite a few of these updates at the same exact time the last balance updates hit. Final Round change is the single best example of what a balance update should be. Really great job on that one and I just wish it didn't take so freaking long. There was no need for playtesting on that one. As soon as someone had the idea to 'proc on crit' it should have been in the game.
They aren't being shoved back down.
10% crit reduction
10% damage reduction
After receiving a 100% damage boost. Shotguns in PvE are silly. Boosting them by 100% when the next balance change was 6+ months away is one of the dumbest things they've ever done.
I like almost all of the changes. Icebreaker change is crap. That seems like a PvP nerf hurting PvE. The only reason I ever use it in PvE lately is to heavy ammo glitch. All of the other changes are pretty good. My only problem with them as that they take so long. This game shouldn't be rotting away for 6 months waiting for obvious changes. I called quite a few of these updates at the same exact time the last balance updates hit. Final Round change is the single best example of what a balance update should be. Really great job on that one and I just wish it didn't take so freaking long. There was no need for playtesting on that one. As soon as someone had the idea to 'proc on crit' it should have been in the game.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Definitely does. Good thing you don't make the moderating team's decisions.
I'm excited to see how the playerbase responds to the changes. I really hope auto and pulse rifles are really viable in PvP again.
DomsPlaying
Member
Honestly never thought I'd see a Gally nerf, at least not in the first year.
Otherwise, based on the stats and charts provided, it seems like a handful of weapons are used by a large portion of the player base i.e. Thorn in Crucible matches. We can argue about whether this focus is a good or bad thing for the game, but if Bungie's idea is to make all weapons and types viable to use in both PvE and PvP scenarios, then their continuous tweaking of weapons is warranted in my opinion.
Otherwise, based on the stats and charts provided, it seems like a handful of weapons are used by a large portion of the player base i.e. Thorn in Crucible matches. We can argue about whether this focus is a good or bad thing for the game, but if Bungie's idea is to make all weapons and types viable to use in both PvE and PvP scenarios, then their continuous tweaking of weapons is warranted in my opinion.
Koutsoubas
Member
Fatebringer and Gjallarhorn. My fav guns.
Please dont ruin my fun
Please dont ruin my fun
There's no need to be upset
I was just responding to your reasoning that this deserves it's own thread because WoW has similar threads. It's your right to make a thread on whatever you want and its my right to respond to points made in the thread. Just because I said destiny isn't WoW doesn't mean I don't like destiny.
It is fun.
I'm not, I'm clearly stating the fact your post history shows you've never played the game.
How can you even comment on weapon tuning? You can't. You've merely tried to thread derail vs my comment about WoW getting re-tunings deserving a thread.
But cool carry on. Also your snipe at the game clearly shows you're not a fan
What concerns me more than any of the weapon-specific changes (except Black Hammer - ludicrous decision) is something I've not seen a lot of discussion about, namely the adjustment of OG perks to offer less benefit than their HoW equivalents.
Given that old Exotics only roll with those original perks, this is pretty much a stealth nerf (albeit perhaps a minor one) for ALL pre-HoW weapons. Ouch.
Given that old Exotics only roll with those original perks, this is pretty much a stealth nerf (albeit perhaps a minor one) for ALL pre-HoW weapons. Ouch.
HalfBakedProphet
Member
Pulse Rifles are fine, I don't know why they're messing with them. Red Death usage is high almost as a direct result of Thorn usage. The decent range and health regen make it the only decent counter to Thorn's DoT
We don't know how much ghallahorn is being nerfed...I bet it will be slight and almost unnoticeable in regular usage. These changes are welcomed and all look to be good. It seems that they delayed doing this because they were changing the drop off models and their current systems weren't working correctly (see autorifles)
They don't know how to make the game more challenging
So they are like
"fuck it, give this boss more sponge, nerf this gun...... Release as hard mode"
It's really Bungies only option though because they need to avoid power creep.
It's because people were excluding people from LFG for not having it
Just give us matchmaking and leave the g-horn alone, spent a year defending Bungie... Can't do it no more
Muskieratboi
Member
Ah, There's the Bungie I know and love!
Mihos
Gold Member
I got the Gjallahorn way early on, so I probably didn't appreciate what it became before I stopped playing Destiny.
Making a game where progress is tied to loot, only then strive to make the loot not matter is just counter productive and ridiculous. Might was well just make everything available at character creation at this point
Making a game where progress is tied to loot, only then strive to make the loot not matter is just counter productive and ridiculous. Might was well just make everything available at character creation at this point
It's too good versus any other weapon. Burning Skolas was probably the nail in the coffin.
Do you think it is balanced now?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Don't really like nerfs, but Gjallarhorn being the obvious top choice for the exotic slot is boring. Would be nice to mix it up without feeling like I'm massively handicapping myself.
If the bosses are going to continue to be not much more than bullet sponges this will just make end game content more tedious though.
If the bosses are going to continue to be not much more than bullet sponges this will just make end game content more tedious though.
For PvP? Hell no. PvE was fine with the exception of auto rifels being useless
Blackhammer nerf is actually dumb though
HalfBakedProphet
Member
Don't worry. We'll get a new patch 5 months from now that "fixes" these issues while breaking the game in new ways!
How are they doing this? Hand Cannons is the only thing I can see and it's still bullshit even in PvE that they have infinite range.
The Icebreaker, Gjallarhorn, and Black Hammer nerfs are because of PvE.
Has Destiny ever been balanced? Something else will take Thorn's place. That something else will be nerfed six months from now. Then something else will replace that something else. Etc etc.
I hope people keep voicing out their complaints even if some people don't like the "incessant whining" or they feel those complaining are being "intentionally obtuse or dowright dumb."
If people don't like some of the changes Bungie are making, let them voice out their complaints. Sheesh. I could see why some folks don't like a few over at the OT.
If people don't like some of the changes Bungie are making, let them voice out their complaints. Sheesh. I could see why some folks don't like a few over at the OT.
Won't go live till the 15th of September.
JerryEveryday
Neo Member
TLW seems the worst of the bunch. The only thing that needed to be addressed was the 111 bug.
Everything else from what I've read seems fine.
Just got to wait and see now.
Everything else from what I've read seems fine.
Just got to wait and see now.
Nydius
Member
That's been their M.O. since the beginning. Any time weapons proved to be "too" useful in their mind, they'd nerf them. Even in the face of significant bugs, legitimate complaints about issues in the raids, it was more of a priority to them to nerf weapons. They basically turned auto rifles into the equivalent of rapid fire Nerf dart launchers based on a lot of knee-jerk reactions about SUROS and overall time to kill. They still haven't found a good place for Pulse Rifles as most (but not all) of them are stuck between being more useful than a AR but less powerful and accurate than a Scout Rifle.
The nerfs based on Thorn though are, in my opinion, justified. Since Iron Banner and Trials became a way to reach max light level, the overuse of Thorn has been heightened. I knew people who were playing solely because they wanted to get the Thorn bounty, all so they could use it in PVP. As others have said, if Thorn accounted for over 25% of the last Iron Banner and it's locked behind a grindy bounty chain, imagine how bad it would be if it were easily obtainable. It would easily become a "required" weapon.
The perception of one weapon being required is also why I (mostly) support the Ghorn nerf. A few months into TDB, my regular raiding group broke apart leaving myself and two friends searching for a new crew. Every time we'd hit up LFG, we'd get asked if we had Ghorn. The minute I said no, I was passed over for a spot. It became a crutch. I'm not sure how I feel about the Icebreaker nerf but I can say it, also, had become a crutch and I'm just as guilty as others of relying on it too much.. but 18 seconds? Holy hell.
That said, Bungie has pulled the nerf/buff/nerf thing more in the last 10 months than most MMOs do in the same time. It certainly is frustrating.
silver.tongue
Member
Exactly. I don't get the nerfs to Ice Breaker and specially Black Hammer.
They absolutelly killed the Black Hammer. And for absolutelly no reason.
Edit: Also, why would you nerf TLW? reduced range from 20 to 10? I might as well use my fist if that's the case.
GlamFM
Banned
Do you consider the game to be balanced right now?
Pretty glad with all the changes here, even as someone who primarily uses handcannons. A little nervous about how they'll be in PvE tho.
"Just buff the weaker weapons!!!!" Is not a cure-all panacea for every situation.
Yes, this seriously. People don't fucking know what a shit show it'd become if suddenly every gun had the same TTK (err, time to kill not the taken king) as the exotic hand cannons.
"Just buff the weaker weapons!!!!" Is not a cure-all panacea for every situation.
Goodacre0081
Member
a nerf to the Blink Jump ability is also coming. I foresee much more salt in the future
ultrazilla
Gold Member
100% agreed on new topic. This is HUGE news on the weapon balancing for Destiny and deserves its own thread.
Now, being I've got a gjhally, thorn, vex, hawkmoon, last word, etc...the changes will be a bit of a hit but I get what Bungie is trying to do here. The graphs posted really drive the point home.
However, I am of the opinion that something like gjhally should be OP because of its apparent rarity. I believe players NEED to be in the hunt or in possession of that "one" really powerful weapon. It's fun and exciting(unless on the receiving end of it!).
Obviously I wouldn't go dismantling/breaking down all those rare weapons right now. For the most part, I think Bungie has done a good job with buffs/nerfs to weapons and they deserve the benefit of the doubt from me.
I also feel that this *MAY* point to some pretty cool NEW weapons/exotics in Taken King that they want to stand out from the current pack of exotics/legendaries.
Lastly, Trials is open today. I've gone flawless and would like to get a couple really experienced players(full 365 thorns, quick revive equipment for teammates) to get at least 5 wins for my chest piece. Of course, a lighthouse run is most preferred. PS4 Kaijuseijin
Now, being I've got a gjhally, thorn, vex, hawkmoon, last word, etc...the changes will be a bit of a hit but I get what Bungie is trying to do here. The graphs posted really drive the point home.
However, I am of the opinion that something like gjhally should be OP because of its apparent rarity. I believe players NEED to be in the hunt or in possession of that "one" really powerful weapon. It's fun and exciting(unless on the receiving end of it!).
Obviously I wouldn't go dismantling/breaking down all those rare weapons right now. For the most part, I think Bungie has done a good job with buffs/nerfs to weapons and they deserve the benefit of the doubt from me.
I also feel that this *MAY* point to some pretty cool NEW weapons/exotics in Taken King that they want to stand out from the current pack of exotics/legendaries.
Lastly, Trials is open today. I've gone flawless and would like to get a couple really experienced players(full 365 thorns, quick revive equipment for teammates) to get at least 5 wins for my chest piece. Of course, a lighthouse run is most preferred. PS4 Kaijuseijin