Destiny - Weapon Tuning 2.0
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Mixolydian
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I have most of the exotics mentioned, and while I'm salty about the Gjallahorn, the one that really gets me is the Ice Breaker. What on earth man? Bungie being Bungie.
geordiemp
Member
The shotguns needed a nerf badly.
The problem is pulse rifles and autos are too easy to use, there needs to be a trade off. I will reserve judgement until I ahve played.
Thorn stacking 5 x poison sounds good for PVE.
ah i see, to be honest i wouldn't have noticed anything had it not been spelled out by eurogamer for me.... hell i haven't even reached level 30 yet.... i should put some decent effort into the game ha
CollectedDust
Member
For me, the Black Hammer nerf hurts the most (and yes, I have a GHorn, 2 actually).
The real issue is that it has needed to be nerfed since Atheon. It is pretty damning that it took this long.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The way the game works, you can easily catch up at any time if you just slowly grind out the rep for your factions and buy the armor pieces. So there's never any real rush unless you are playing with friends, for what that's worth.
Was that really necessary? Why try to turn people off from using the gun by making them sit around doing nothing for longer?
Aztechnology
Member
A weapon that increases the time it takes for someone to recover essentially removing them from combat for an extended duration on top of great stability, range and damage didn't need to be nerfed?
I really dont understand why people are so keen to see more diversity in the game. these questions is not aimed at you specifically so dont take offence. why do some player care what guns are being used in PVP? what benefit is it to you if there is a big difference in weapons being used? I just dont get it.
I play with the last word cause i find it to be a good gun and its fun to play with and it looks cool when shooting. I would never playing with an autorifle, scout,pulse, fusion as I dont find them to be fun to use.
No one gives a fuck if everyone runs around with a single weapon. In most pvp games that is the case anyway. What people are bitching about and what you see in the graph is that the Thorn is so much better than anything in the arsenal which is why the next most used weapon comes in at less than half.
The damage output is insane. 84 to the head and 6 DoT ticks for 7 clocking in another 42 damage.
You missed the /s.
geordiemp
Member
It also kicks like a bitch and why its so polarising, some people can play well with it, some cannot.
Landing 2 headshots sounds easy buy with the kick taking time to stabilise more than say a hawkmoon or TLW...
I prefer Hawkmoon anyway, the Thorn ROF rights against its kick.
I understand why they nerfed Ice Breaker. It basically ruined the Templar fight in VoG, all any group wanted to do was sit up on the cliff with icebreakers. Much more fun, and fairly easy, to do it legit. The nerf is pretty boring though. Has a high chance of not discouraging use of it, but just making use of it more dull.
It's used a lot more than most other weapons, that indicates that it's not that hard to use.
Absolutely. I hope the fire rate nerf helps, doing headshots with pulse rifles is too easy with certain guns, especially at ranges in which scout/sniper rifles are specialized in.
The shotguns need a big nerf, they should act like the Invective imo (in regards to impact and range)
Something which would be nice is to decrease the user's agility when equipping a shotgun and to lower its equip speed.
I played Control for the first time since the Iron Banner and it's just full of jumping and blinking shotgun Warlocks and Hunters, I felt bad for the titans but then I remembered they're mostly rocking the Shoulder Charge/shotgun combination.
I can't believe I'm saying this but Clash is even more balanced than the clusterfuck that is Control right now.
Hehe it was sarcasm, hence the /s.
What the fuck am I reading. Thorn and bitch to use? Lololol
toastyToast
Member
The recharge time on icebreaker is absurd now. Closing in on a minute for all 6 bullets. The only effect it'll have is making cheesing more tedious rather than curbing the behaviour.
Yeah. Hawkmoon is the one with the kick. Thorn especially with the stability and even with send it is easy as fuck to use.
Yeah. Hawkmoon is the one with the kick. Thorn especially with the stability and even with send it is easy as fuck to use.
geordiemp
Member
Thorn was not that much better than red death or hawkmoon, now it will just be red death and hawkmoon and Suros....and one will shine but who knows.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Glad I'm sticking with Warframe.
Aztechnology
Member
It totally missed that /s I thought it was meaning nerf/s.
geordiemp
Member
Thats crap and you know it. They buffed Autos and short / mid range fusion rifles.
Also Thorn is a rebalance, 5 DOT stacks is pretty handy.
Still think PVE will become scout rifle land.
I really dont understand why people are so keen to see more diversity in the game. these questions is not aimed at you specifically so dont take offence
I play with the last word cause i find it to be a good gun and its fun to play with and it looks cool when shooting. I would never playing with an autorifle, scout,pulse, fusion as I dont find them to be fun to use.
The short version is that its just not interesting when everyone uses the same gun. More weapons means more diversity and with that diversity more interesting encounters.
There is always be a meta, so I expect the void will be filled by a new weapon we collectively hate. I would just prefer there be a variety of "bests" instead of one so suited to the task.
This is how I feel. Gjallarhorn doesn't bother me.
Night Angel
Member
Yep. RIP, all my favorite weapons.
geordiemp
Member
Icebreaker needed a nerf LOL, its not even that good (strokes extended mag Elfreet with firefly and 26 bullet mag)....Its only good for the heavy ammo glitch.
Thorn is used allot, but not well by many who I see struggle to maintain accuracy and a decent rate of fire with the massive viewkick in your face.
Reckless Onion
Member
i know this is not the subject but did they say anything about loot drops? i sometimes come back to destiny and put in a few hours but mostly i get nothing out of it so i just quit and dont touch it for months.
geordiemp
Member
Dont have a Gally, never dropped for me, never needed it with a 365 Hunger...will not need it now thats for sure.
Lol please. A double tap is a guaranteed kill in .4s. That's a full 50% faster than Red Death or Hawkmoon (tied if Hawkmoon gets a lucky bullet though).
Thorn being the best isn't a problem. Thorn being 50%+ better that its alternatives is. If you play Crucible in any regular capacity, no matter what you use, the Exotic HCs need a nerf and it's insane to suggest otherwise. And I'm saying this as someone who uses HCs exclusively in both PvP and PvE.
We already discussed the Thorn so I'm not going to play the "yes it is/no it isn't" game again.
The Hawkmoon is also getting nerfed, we don't know how significant the auto rifle buff is so we can only speculate. Again, certain pulse rifles also need a nerf in compensation with what's gonna happen with the rest of the guns.
so instead of nerfing Thorn and TLW, which kill ~50%+ more quickly than everything else you'd rather see the entire Arsenal of hundreds of weapons buffed to that silly level?
You end up with a CoD style crap fest, no thanks. When you have outliers, you fix the outliers. You don't drag the entire population to the point where were all dying in .5s with no time to react.
I always love when people say the next Destiny DLC will bring new exotics that will replace the old weapons. What game have you people been playing?
The Dark Below:
Necrochasm - Absolutely a joke of a weapon
Dragon's Breath - Worthless rocket launcher that shoots flame grenades
No Land Beyond - Worthless sniper rifle people use to troll in PvP
House of Wolves:
Lord of Wolves - Rapid fire shotgun with no range. Junk
Dreg's Promise - Very first exotic sidearm. Absolutely worthless
Queensbreakers' Bow - Honestly the only exotic you can actually use
As far as I'm concered Bungie has not shown the ability to create new and useful exotic weapons through any DLC yet, so don't hold your breath for The Taken King to knock your socks off. Please stop drinking the kool aid and open a window for some fresh air. Also thanks for nerfing hawkmoon before xbox players even got to use the gun. Exotic weapons should've been best in class and great for a specific purpose due to the ability to only equip 1. When the amount of useful weapons in the game is so limited and when legendary weapons outclass a high number of the exotics it creates lots of these issues. Bungie didn't know they were making a loot game until too late. Now they are fighting to try and balance the few items in the game that work.
The Dark Below:
Necrochasm - Absolutely a joke of a weapon
Dragon's Breath - Worthless rocket launcher that shoots flame grenades
No Land Beyond - Worthless sniper rifle people use to troll in PvP
House of Wolves:
Lord of Wolves - Rapid fire shotgun with no range. Junk
Dreg's Promise - Very first exotic sidearm. Absolutely worthless
Queensbreakers' Bow - Honestly the only exotic you can actually use
As far as I'm concered Bungie has not shown the ability to create new and useful exotic weapons through any DLC yet, so don't hold your breath for The Taken King to knock your socks off. Please stop drinking the kool aid and open a window for some fresh air. Also thanks for nerfing hawkmoon before xbox players even got to use the gun. Exotic weapons should've been best in class and great for a specific purpose due to the ability to only equip 1. When the amount of useful weapons in the game is so limited and when legendary weapons outclass a high number of the exotics it creates lots of these issues. Bungie didn't know they were making a loot game until too late. Now they are fighting to try and balance the few items in the game that work.
Not to offend, but Destiny is no WoW. WoW has millions of monthly subscribers and has been around for a decade. I suppose you could consider the overpriced Destiny as a subscription, but that's beside the point.
I don't even play WoW.
GlamFM
Banned
Eh, stuff gets nerfed and adjusted in Warframe all the time.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I mean, all this means is that everyone will use Red Death or some other high impact pulse rifle now. People will still use the exact same snipers and shotguns as before, so for PvP, it's still exactly the same.
The only people who say a hunger is fine if you don't have a Gjallahorn....never had a Gjallahorn.
As you said. Also, as was said, thorn is easy to shoot. Hawkmoon is harder.
Average TTK across all weapons in PvP is being edged down which is the most important thing.
Mixolydian
Member
So tell me, PS4 players, how much should us Xbox players look forward to the hawk moon now that it's being nerfed?
GlamFM
Banned
Thought it was overrated before. The fact that it was exclusive made people talk it up.
Good gun, but nothing to write home about.
It's not crap when it's the guns you use that are nerfed.
But it's all right. Each gun tells a story.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Oh yeah, that's true.
But if their aim was to also flatten the distribution of weapon use, then they've probably failed. Why would anyone stop using Matador with rangefinder/shotpackage/reinforced barrel even with the nerfs. Or more relevantly, why wouldn't anyone still want to roll a shotgun with those perks? There's still going to be the same few viable weapon "builds" that everyone is funneled into. It's just that Thorn was the most widely used for good reason.
InsaneTiger
Member
That petition is just pathetic.
seems it sad they are nerfing shotguns for pve. seems pointless, they do their job fine.
ah well, haven't bothered with this game in weeks and have no desire to buy the taken king given their price plan.
it is cheaper to buy the taken king destiny game new than just the DLC in the UK, so sad.
ah well, haven't bothered with this game in weeks and have no desire to buy the taken king given their price plan.
it is cheaper to buy the taken king destiny game new than just the DLC in the UK, so sad.
To be clear I was referring more to PvE, thus the reference to enemies.
The number of changes probably positively impact an outlier in pvp (thorn), but in reality it hugely impacts negatively the enjoyment of pve.