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He's acting like he didn't go 18-1 the year after Spygate just to show people what was up.
Tom Brady's Suspension Appeal News
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TheLostBigBoss
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Yea, they are funny as hell, that's why I listen to them.
But fuck sports talk.
CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOUR LOVE TOOOOONIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
I think the last time I listened to them is when they hung up on Bill Walton during an interview, and proceeded to shit all over him.
They are the equivalent of public access Opie and Anthony.
Acerac
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Seriously, why would he cheat when it didn't even matter? It makes absolutely no sense that anyone would even accuse him of this. I'm pretty confident Goodell is just jealous of all of Brady's Superbowls and hot wife. =/
I very rarely listen to Boston sports radio anymore (mostly because I don't have a car) and I'm much better off for it, I think. I did tune in a bit this morning though.
Why would Mortensen refuse to go on the show only to give up his source off-air? I don't get how that makes any sense.
Why would Mortensen refuse to go on the show only to give up his source off-air? I don't get how that makes any sense.
TheLostBigBoss
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Because
1) A reporter going on air and on record giving up a source is career destroying
2) Backing out after being outed makes it so you didn't announce the source, saving face.
My guess is Mortensen gave them the name off record and said he wouldn't say his sources name on air, only that it was a high ranking official who fed him bad info.
Yeah - I call BS on the Tensil stuff. No way Mort would ever tell some random DJ his source but then refuse to go on air. WEEI is full blown homer; and they're pretty full of it (I think Deadspin has a specific tag for them at this point) on a regular basis.
They also routinely act as their local sports team conduit to smear people on the way out (Red Sox) or who they don't like (Patriots) - so this is most probably someone from the Patriots going after Tensil and WEEI claiming it was Mort.
D&C aren't homers. They are probably the most partial to the sports industry on the network.
That is misinformed. They don't usually do this. Smearing in the Herald/Globe, absolutely.
TheLostBigBoss
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Mortensen didn't deny it, which is something someone in his position would instantly do.
CitizenCope
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Haha I like that. =D
https://twitter.com/JimTrotter_NFL/status/627151731944615936
There has been a discussion around Goodell's standing with owners with many feeling that as long as the league is making money that Goodell is safe, though if the NFL lose this case i do wonder how much longer Goodell will be around for.
Didn't they smear-hit AJ Pierz on the way out? Also - I vaguely remember Simmons unloading on WEEI for WEEI taking shots at Simmons for not doing an interview with them - so WEEI might be known for going after (dishonestly if the Simmons interview is any indication) folks who don't do interviews with them. I mean; hell, Mort even pointed out that they had advertised he was going to talk about who his source was without even telling Mort. From PFT / Deadspin
Wondering if he feels by denying it he would open himself up to being asked about it over and over again. (Also, no one's asked him directly if Kensil was his source).
TheLostBigBoss
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Or if he denies it, then eventually comes out that it's true and he turns into a liar! Best course of action for him is to neither deny or confirm.
It's funny how he doesn't want to be the counterpeice when his reporting was so fucking wrong and created the shit storm to begin with.
The shit-storm wasn't really about Mort's tweets. The emphatic denial and then the Wells report is what created the shitstorm (also, its July and there's nothing else really going on in sports as well). Pats fans are trying to blame Mort because its one of the things that is known to be objectively wrong, thus trying to say "well this wrong thing was part of it, so we're going to attribute it entirely to that one wrong thing and then claim that it should all go away".
The NFL and Brady are going to end up coming to a compromise primarily because the judge in the case basically told them to do so.
TheLostBigBoss
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Which was because the initial reports were so fucking insane and turned out to be false. The Patriots based everything off the initial report given to them, if you want to play the game and restart it with the actual info and real readings, I'm absolutely positive the Pats would have simply admitted some guilt and moved on.
They were fed bullshit and forced to go on the extreme defense, they were played.
Judges always tell people to try and settle the issue amongst themselves. It likely won't happen in this case, and rumors about NFL officials feeding the media false info will help ensure that.
WEEI is largely an outlet for the sports writers. So, they give the venue (as they should) and the story breaks a bit quicker. The Pierzynski smearing was a bit odd, as he really hadn't done much, or was notable to the team. Based on his history, probably some accuracy there.
Historically, Boston smearing is for loved icons on their way out the door. Mostly Red Sox.
Except they had the option post Ted Wells report of accepting some guilt and moving on. I think Brady tripling down or whatever has a) pissed off the NFL immensely and b) plays up to this new "prima donna" narrative that he has somehow cultivated in the last few years.
This is true - but the wording the judge used in this specific case was waay, waay more blunt and brutal than judges normally use (sports law twitter was enjoying the judge's comments immensely)
One of my co-workers is from Boston and his quote was "rational people don't trust WEEI". Plus; considering this entire thing has been a giant "quick, everyone rush to conclusions!!!" cluster; maybe we should stop rushing to conclusions? Also, what the heck is with the entire "smear people on the way out" thing that you all have going on?? Someone explain that to me?
TheLostBigBoss
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Oh, after Brady has been thrown to the sharks and his legacy has put through the mud?
Face it, whoever leaked that initial report knew exactly what was going to happen, it would force an automatic defense that creates a point of no return, no matter how innocent or guilty.
Or they could have said "our bad, we were keeping the balls at the lower end because that's the way we like them, and it dropped a little too low a couple of times. Tom asked the ball guys to keep it at the low end and they do that; but due to imprecise instrumentation a couple went too low".
The end.
Yeah right, people would go ape shit if they said that.
Your co-worker is probably a casual fan from the sound of it. Nothing wrong with that, sports radio is all flapping heads anyway, but there is a clear difference. The other network would be probably a closer comparison to a FOX News style network in terms of sensationalist content.
The smear thing is just something that happens. Some fans latch on to whatever, and creates some relief publicly for the franchises, gives some fuel for sports reporters. Examples would be Tito Francona being a drug addict and the Beer and Chicken-Gate for the Red Sox a few years ago.
It's an HBO show. It only moves to NFL Network after the current football season is over.
So one of them is Kraft. Who is the other owner?
Does that mean that 30 owners are not-unhappy with the situation?
I don't think one of them is Kraft, otherwise he would have said "Kraft + another owner" - Kraft's unhappiness has been made quiet clear. I would guess it is Kraft and 2 other owners.
EDIT: I am sure their are owners who are loving the situation as it improves their chances in the AFC and others who just don't like the Patriots. I also wouldn't be surprised that none of them actually have the Well's report or Patriot rebuttal and are just trusting in what Goodell is saying.
Just a few thoughts, the Patriots were not aware of the exact numbers until march, the only numbers they knew, were the numbers everyone else had which were from mort. I don't know how the Patriots could explain an "imprecise instrumentation" when the footballs were reportedly 2 PSI under the minimum. The Patriots were in a bad situation. Everyone were convinced that the Patriots had deliberately tampered with the footballs.
Brady did state that he like's his football's at 12.5 from the press conference the day after mort's explosive tweet.
No doubt the Patriots could have handled this better, but the league is not innocent at all in this either, i would even go further and say the league holds more blame.
The Albatross
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I can't even listen to The Sports Hub, it's intollerable. They went from just trying to drum up callers to seemingly simply trolling everyone. I still have EEI so I won't go back to it.
The best football coverage is by NFL Around the League on the three-times-a-week podcast.. And FYI, they all think the league is crazy (but still like to torment the lone Patriot's fan on the show). They've all been shocked at every development in this story, and Chris Wesseling -- an NFL agnostic fan -- has gone on absolute tears about the whole thing every other show. It's been a joy to listen to as a Patriot's fan. Felger and Mazz are so far to the extreme they're beyond every other national program... Like they're more extreme than the guys in New York and Indy.
Sounds like both sides are looking to make a deal now without the judge's involvement.
The NFL got what they wanted with the case being in NY, but they got a judge appointed by Bill Clinton. They have incentive to deal now.
The NFL got what they wanted with the case being in NY, but they got a judge appointed by Bill Clinton. They have incentive to deal now.
I've been listening for over twenty years or so, it's just a force of habit at this point even though it's worse than ever. You always need to take it with a grain of salt. Feel like the people who listen and take everything verbatim miss the point, and Sports Hub just requires a mountain of salt. Still not as bad as the NY stations. My god that was a tough year.
I do need to start getting into some podcasts though.
What does a "no suspension and a four-game fine" even mean in this context?
Perhaps they will dock Brady's salary but still let him play - it's not like he plays for money now.
TheLostBigBoss
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Brady plays all four games without pay
I am no legal scholar by any stretch of the imagination but the Judge may sense the NFLPA has a good case and is strong arming the NFL to comprise. Perhaps someone with a better understanding of inner-legal-wrangling could explain.
Brady and his wife have $500m between them. Four games without pay basically a zero punishment.
lol as if AJ needs help being smeared, I've now seen it all.
TheLostBigBoss
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punishments don't scale based on what your spouse makes or what you make outside of the NFL, that would be ridiculous.
I think the Judge thinks this entire thing is asinine and should stop being played out in public. Most legal folks tend to think that the NFL has a pretty strong legal hand here because of the CBA (whether they're overreacting is a different story entirely); I suspect the judge is more bemused by the whole spectacle and thinks they try ACTUALLY negotiating with each other rather than doing it in public.
I think now that we're getting closer to games starting, the NFL and NFLPA knows that it is in everyone's best interest to compromise (2 games is what I imagine will end up being); and getting on with the games.
Listen to Toucher and Rich - they're the only down to earth show in the market and actively mock the HOT TAKES rather than indulge in them. Best radio show in Boston by a significant margin.
Well, they seem to believe the Judge will rule You can take no suspension and a four-game fine, or youll get no suspension and no fine. "
Appropriate in a situation where: (1) no legitimate evidence of wrongdoing exists and (2) even if it did, in the past such situations resulted in no investigation or punishment of the player using the equipment.
Unless you are Finland.
It's PFT - I would not trust their judgment on such things. For being a lawyer, Florio tends to screw the pooch on legal opinions when it comes to lawsuits and the NFL (see PFT coverage of concussion lawsuits for a recent example).
I don't know that people still believe the NFL has a good case after the NFLPA filed suit. Here's a good summary:
http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-questions/
For those interested: http://wellsreportcontext.com/league-failure-to-correct-misinformation/
The Patriots are basically begging the NFL to refute the leaks and are met with silence.
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