I feel like this could be turned into a right wing facebook comment with a totally unrelated second phrase and artifacts.
Reddit finally bans "Coontown", "WatchN*****sDie", & animated child porn forums
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I feel like this could be turned into a right wing facebook comment with a totally unrelated second phrase and artifacts.
Necromanti
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Either way, what the American constitution has to say about "Freedom of Speech"--or how people choose to interpret those laws in the USA--has little bearing on the legal framework in France.
massivekettle
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Jurisdiction is irrelevant in this case. I was trying to compare the vile stuff Charlie Hebdo is publishing to Reddit's less appropriate (to say the least) subreddits... Where do you draw the line regarding what's acceptable and what's not.
Also, one of the concept upon which Reddit was founded is freedom of speech - banning the subreddits is a major departure from that principle
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
It's about time.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Reddit is a business, not a government or outlet for truth. It wasn't founded on free speech, it was founded on lack of inhibitions and has decided that stance is no longer as profitable, so they're changing their tune. There's nothing inherently noble or worthy of protection about protecting a bottom line, and using a for profit business as a measure of integrity is a flawed premise. Even if we do entertain it momentarily, CH's caricatures, no matter how occasionally disgusting, at least had some kind of message behind them whereas a subreddit devoted to watching black people die has no inherent value.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Reddit is big money now. Their principles matter less to them than the ability to monetize the good parts, which the vile shit impeded. I support a company attempting to operate in line with free speech ideals, myself, but the impracticability of that is just reality and is, in truth, unavoidable.
Necromanti
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Fair enough. Where the line is drawn will always be a subjective matter decided by the administrators (or what have you) running the private forum, though. It would probably be easier to just find another outlet that is willing to host your views. I think there are different complications depending on whether we are involving the government, the press, or private parties in our discussion.
massivekettle
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Not so sure about that. They relied on shock value and controversy to make money.
Reddit may be big money now, but that's only because of unpaid user-created content. If you manage to piss off the most influential and vocal users, then viewership may drop, which in turn will affect future financial performance. It's a very fine line, again. Reddit can afford to be less tolerant, but it will, at some point, start to hurt its bottom line.
freeofgreed
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I don't think the racists were their most influential users. And clearly supporting them has hurt their bottom line which is why they're changing shit up.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The racists aren't bringing in the big money. In all likelihood, Reddit's senior management is acting on some kind of statistical info or corporate hunch that the libertarian ideals were not as profitable as people's contempt for the racist subreddits was unprofitable. I thought the quarantine was a decent compromise, though I was given pause by those who pointed out that it essentially turned everyone else into a subsidizer of those reprehensible places, but ultimately, it seems Reddit's plan is to phase out the heinous shit while maintaining some kind of phony veneer of sticking to their principles by doing it piecemeal. Which is what any corporation would do, really, so it's hard to be particularly upset by it.
I think it's fair to say that this change wasn't due to them realizing that they were harboring some vile shit on the internet and wanting to do the right thing:
That said, any libertarian ideals they expressed were because that was what they felt the community wanted to hear. And people bought that hook line and sinker.
They have the numbers now so now they're working on getting the advertisers invested and they are finding that their anarchistic policies were hindering them. They're ideal is "what can we do next to increase the worth of our corporation". That was their primary concern then and it is their primary concern now.
That said, any libertarian ideals they expressed were because that was what they felt the community wanted to hear. And people bought that hook line and sinker.
They have the numbers now so now they're working on getting the advertisers invested and they are finding that their anarchistic policies were hindering them. They're ideal is "what can we do next to increase the worth of our corporation". That was their primary concern then and it is their primary concern now.
superseohyun
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And? My opinion is that Reddit should and have every rights to ban lolicon section. What that guy said about calling lolicon stuff "animated child porn" does has a point.
freeofgreed
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I'm not exactly sure what Lolicon entails, but if it is sexual in nature then by the very definition he himself posted it would be classified as CP.
SanguineShark
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Good, nothing of value was lost.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The distinction he's trying to draw is that animated characters are not really minors, which is who the law covers and exists to protect, they are fictive representations of minors and not illegal under U.S. law, which is reddit's traditional line of demarcation for what is and is not allowed.
DonasaurusRex
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it is but they were on Reddit and signed a user agreement ....
freeofgreed
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I get that but if it is sexual in nature than under his very own defintion..
Lolicon would count.
Mr_Antimatter
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I get that but if it is sexual in nature than under his very own defintion..
Lolicon would count.
So would the vast majority of hentai period. A lot is based on characters who are jr high or highschoolers, and thus well under 18.
I think the difference is that drawings are not considered "minors". The part you have bolded is talking about videos/pictures/whatever of actual minors. That being said, it might not be the case anyway. Most companies get around it by aging up the people depicted. This is where someone inserts a 1000 year old dragon who looks 10. But I'm not a lawyer and all that good stuff, just don't look at the stuff and you'll be good.
freeofgreed
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No it says any, language is important when you talk about legal definitions. Also yes they aren't real human beings but I think even fictional characters with ages would still be considered minors under this def.
No, "minors" is also defined in the quoted image, and part of that definition is "persons".
NoblesseOblige
Banned
So what's next?
Reddit isnt complete trash, it has some great, small, focused sub-reddit communities that I enjoy for discussion and news, but any of the larger subreddits without strict moderation are unanimously awful.
It's great that they're finally taking a position against some of the fringe elements and hope it continues to happen. I wouldn't mind seeing all the meta communities gone, also.
It's great that they're finally taking a position against some of the fringe elements and hope it continues to happen. I wouldn't mind seeing all the meta communities gone, also.
I'm not about to click on all of these to double-check, but this is apparently the list of banned and quarantined subs.
Banned:
Quarantined:
RIP free speech.
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name subscribers
/r/CoonTown 20888
/r/Lolicons 12339
/r/Pomf 7360
/r/LoliShota 3169
/r/WatchNiggersDie 590
/r/TacticalLolis 516
/r/LoliFeet 279
/r/TrueLoli 237
/r/Rule34NoCensorship 135
/r/TheLoliLocker 84
/r/bestofcoontown 53
/r/lolipee 32
/r/18datingwomenforsex 29
/r/FreePSNCodesGenerator 21
/r/jart 10
/r/badgirl 9
/r/letter 8
/r/ufc190rouvscour 7
/r/SWBFSWBFSWBFSWBF 7
/r/RapingEllenPao 7
/r/Xforce 7
/r/itachi_circlejerk 7
/r/FakeMadeReal 6
/r/MI5 6
/r/impostors 5
/r/BeatingEllenPao 5
/r/indymedia 5
/r/Sakura 5
/r/reactiongiffles 4
/r/Low 4
/r/bluemonkeys 4
/r/Obito 4
Code:
quarantined
name subscribers
/r/SHHHHHEEEEEEEEIIIITT 16552
/r/BlackFathers 9770
/r/GreatApes 4755
/r/TrayvonMartin 1340
/r/BlackCrime 1257
/r/WhitesWinFights 889
/r/ferguson 799
/r/KikeTown 744
/r/N1GGERS 641
/r/USBlackCulture 308
/r/NiggerDrama 331
/r/NiggerFacts 307
/r/niggersstories 284
/r/niggervideos 271
/r/niggerspics 268
/r/funnyniggers 213
/r/didntdonuffins 201
/r/NiggersNews 199
/r/WorldStarHP 167
/r/JustBlackGirlThings 160
/r/NiggerCartoons 157
/r/NiggerMythology 153
/r/gibsmedat 152
/r/teenapers 146
/r/WTFniggers 141
/r/NiggersTIL 138
/r/TheRacistRedPill 137
/r/Detoilet 129
/r/RacistNiggers 122
/r/NiggersGIFs 117
/r/apewrangling 108
/r/Apefrica 108
/r/muhdick 106
/r/DrawPeople 96
/r/NiggerDocumentaries 83
/r/chimpmusic 81
/r/NegroFree 77
/r/ChimpinAintEasy 73
/r/niggerhistorymonth 65
/r/ChimpireMETA 64
/r/ChimpireOfftopic 58
/r/BlackHusbands 50
/r/RacoonsAreNiggers 45
/r/NiggerSafari 16
/r/TIL_4_Niggers 13
/r/whitesarecriminals 12
/r/FreddieGray 12
/r/transrace 8
/r/LedariusWilliams 5
/r/Jason_Harrison 4
/r/IsmaaiylBrinsley 3
/r/VonderritMyers 1
/r/WilliamChapman 1RIP free speech.
entremet
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Reddit is an amazing resource.
The issue is that they wanted to wash their hands from criticism from the problematic subreddits.
The found out you really can't do that. And unlike Usenet, the most apt analog of Reddit, Reddit wants to make money.
Once you try to position yourself as a mass market product, you're going to open yourself to those criticism.
They could technically still stick to their ideological guns, but they want to make money.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
FPH was actively harassing and/or doxxing people which was more of an immediate financial threat. Reddit ops don't actually care about the content so much as the content's effect on the coffers.
I'm assuming that was a ban evasion sub? lol
I'm wondering this too! It kind of jumps out at you, doesn't it?
I'm also wondering what the hell pomf and jart are meant to mean (abbreviations?), but possibly I don't want to know.
On eurogamer when you got banned you were actually just put on general ignore, could still post but nobody would see it. Is that pretty much shadow banning?
entremet
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Yep.
I want to look so bad......
On one of my old boards, when they banned someone they just couldn't post except for one forum where only them and mods could see. Once in a while the mods would make it viewable to show the fuckery.
entremet
Member
Again, under more strict moderation protocols, sure.
Reddit didn't care as long as it wasn't illegal.
They're only covering their asses now because it's hurting their bottom line and losing top talent to other startups does hurt their bottom line.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Damn. They say nigger sooo much..must think it keeps their teeth white.
"pomf" is a hentai manga thing, it's the onomatopoeia for the sound someone makes when they kind of drop onto a bed. "jart"'s news to me.
freenudemacusers
Member
wait, there were subs dedicated to cartoon child porn? what?
can they purge https://www.reddit.com/r/controversialiama/ while they're at it too? half of it is pretty blatant fantasizing.
can they purge https://www.reddit.com/r/controversialiama/ while they're at it too? half of it is pretty blatant fantasizing.
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