That's not the same car...
Forza Motorsport 6 Demo Frame-Rate Test (Digital Foundry)
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That's not the same car...
I see it now. I always thought tears happen across the entire screen. That indy car race is so fast though. I wouldn't doubt it happens more often because everything is so speed up.
Caayn
Member
Here's a small, comparison between two track on Forza 5 and Forza 6.
The tracks are the same, but the cars are different. I couldn't find any track/car combination in the Forza 6 demo that matched with anything possible in Forza 5. This was the closest I could do.
Forza 5 top, Forza 6 bottom.
The tracks are the same, but the cars are different. I couldn't find any track/car combination in the Forza 6 demo that matched with anything possible in Forza 5. This was the closest I could do.
Forza 5 top, Forza 6 bottom.
backbreaker65
Banned
I was thinking the same, great that it's 60fps, but it looks like, I'll stop right there.
thelastword
Banned
Are you implying that these are forza 6 gameplay shots running at 60fps?.....Looks like they put a lot of work into the tracks. The track-side, the textures, and the surface itself looks better in 6.
Love all these F6 threads, lol...
...they all need screenshots.
I guess it depends on how they've been taken, if they've been taken with the screenshot function on the console then that is how they look, if there is a photo mode then I'd expect that maxes out AF , AA textures etc.
The same as any other game with a photo mode.
The graphics may also vary across modes, GT changed in resolution, frame rate and detail across different modes and what the performance requirements of that mode were.
A time trial with no extra geometry from cars and no AI required is going to perform much worse than a race with 24 cars in, so it's possible that they use up that spare overhead with improved graphic.
Is that what I typed? No
Talking about the tracks...obviously. They don't change in screenshots. The shots are from the free camera before you take a shot in photo-mode. I prefer that to the actual saved photo-mode stuff. (no branding/logo)
Fortinbras
Member
It's not. Have you played the demo? Like every Forza game FM6 doesn't tear frames.
There is a Forza game with the best IQ on consoles. It is called Forza Horizon 2.
Forza 5 tears.
AgentOtaku
Member
Absolutely glorious performance
Yeah, I see that too.
Edit: Updated with a better image.
Comment from DF:
Detractors out with the magnifying glass are disappoint.
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
I love how half of this thread is dwelling on a false tear. Well done. It took me about 10 rewatches of that "AGRESSIVE" LOD gif to even notice anything.
Here's a small, comparison between two track on Forza 5 and Forza 6.
The tracks are the same, but the cars are different. I couldn't find any track/car combination in the Forza 6 demo that matched with anything possible in Forza 5. This was the closest I could do.
Forza 5 top, Forza 6 bottom.
Crowdgate?
Dictator93
Member
Phantom Pain's LOD on console is pretty great.
Well... I think that is debatable
it is better than last gen, but far from being ideal (mother base lights, shadow distance, etc.)
GAF is slipping, we are yet to see the Forza 5 crowd pic.
Nice to know. Amazing that it maintain that performance during the rain. PC framerate was all over the place when the rain started on XB1.
This isn't a DC thread. Stop.
Turn 10 realised we at GAF are too good to be fooled by there shenanigans and that we know 1080p@60fps is a mere forgery!
True, but those lights and shadows are further away and dynamic. With the baked lighting and shadows in F6 I assume they would have more leeway for some better LOD transitions elsewhere considering it happens only a couple of cars away, but it's hard to pinpoint exactly what trade-off had to be made outside of the 60fps. The car detail pop isn't really all that noticeable in the race to me anyway, but it is just a youtube video.
Chobel
Member
You need to chill dude, not everyone here wants to troll and attack the game. This is a technical thread and discussing things like that tear are bound to happen.
And yes you can have the game not budging from 60fps or 16.6ms and still have tearing, that happens when the game can't render the entire frame (1920x1080) in 16.6ms.
thelastword
Banned
Grass near the inner track looks ok, but the detail everywhere else is really bad, that wanton aliasing is a serious blemish too.He's implying that the tracks look better. Something I agree with.
Crowds look terrible and so does the 2d trees and basic looking textures in parts, the tarmac looks more detailed though, looks overly sharpened in some instances. In any case, the shots below are not too pleasing......
Everything is so flat and basic, car models don't look impressive, lighting is flat. But this is what they had to do to get this to run at 60fps.
BuffetChamp
Banned
Quit trying to stir shit up in here. He never said it, never implied it. Take your godamn baiting elsewhere.
Caayn
Member
Sneaky edit.
thelastword
Banned
What I said before the edit still stands though, but for racing threads I figure it would be more appropriate in the versus thread.
Bright, high exposure, middle of the day shots look flat in almost every racing game. Especially lighting conditions like in the shots you quoted.
The night shot doesn't look flat at all. In fact my takeaway from that shot is that the headlights are casting a shadow off the car in front of the player.
Game looks great, especially in motion.
Turn 10 appears to have backed the 3D tree count off too, but that's a good thing in the case of adding a much larger field of cars and more racing "conditions" at a LOCKED 60 frame-rate on console hardware.
Not another single current-gen car racer can claim the bolded above.
They're simulated as 3D. The game simulates depth, resistance, tire reaction..etc. People have a hard time separating visual from simulation.
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
Wait, are some of you telling me there is going to be graphical sacrifices to get a game to run at 1080p and a LOCKED 60fps resolution!?!? No. Way.
For a 1080p 60fps game, what we are getting is great. I just don't understand why people dwell on the graphics on titles that aim to lock at 60fps, damn well knowing the demands and sacrifices that 60fps bring. I see the same stuff in halo 5 threads. We know these 60fps games (that aim to lock at 60fps) won't compete graphically with their 30fps bretheren , but that was never their intent.
For a 1080p 60fps game, what we are getting is great. I just don't understand why people dwell on the graphics on titles that aim to lock at 60fps, damn well knowing the demands and sacrifices that 60fps bring. I see the same stuff in halo 5 threads. We know these 60fps games (that aim to lock at 60fps) won't compete graphically with their 30fps bretheren , but that was never their intent.
Uh, the puddles aren't 3D. I drove my car slowly through a puddle and it was just a flat reflective texture that didn't move. My tires just sat on top like it wasn't a puddle at all. More like ice.
It's that T10 are still failing at realistic lighting. And jaggies look just as bad as FM5's. Shading could use some work as well.
It's that T10 are still failing at realistic lighting. And jaggies look just as bad as FM5's. Shading could use some work as well.
soundscream
Member
Using a wheel driving through puddles definitely give a realistic hydroplaning feeling. It might not be visually represented but its represented in the physics engine.
GHG
Member
Yeh the puddles are just textures but they are "3d" in the sense of the physics simulation going on under the hood and how the car reacts to them.
What I'd like to see (real physically based 3D puddles that splash/disperse/move realistically to cars going over them might well be a stretch this gen on these consoles. It would add a lot more to the game if that were the case vs what we have now anyway. What I mean is something like this:
http://youtu.be/KAta2_CRAns
There is also a distinct lack of water spray that comes off the cars in the wet weather races in this game. With the amount of standing water on the track there should be a ton of spray being kicked up.
2D textures simulating 3D. Saying the puddles are "not flat 2D textures and are rendered as a full 3D entity" is not true.
thelastword
Banned
I just watched this pic again at full screen, no doubt the background and crowds look very low detail, but are these buildings 2d bitmaps? Somethng looks off about them and how they are stretched. Please click the screen so you see it at max resolution.
Accurate modelling of freefalling Indycar crowd numbers
GHG
Member
I just watched this pic again at full screen, no doubt the background and crowds look very low detail, but are these buildings 2d bitmaps? Somethng looks off about them and how they are stretched. Please click the screen so you see it at max resolution.
They look fine while racing past them. Why are you even making this an issue?
The game is 60fps, corners had to be cut somewhere. Everyone knew this would be the case given the hardware they have to work with.
I fail to see how this is different to how certain other racing games are going it then, or how it could be referred to as 3D as a result. Surely the only difference here is that the 2D texture in question covers a larger surface area, depicting a bigger collection of water, with physics assigned that simply issue more aggressive penalties for driving over them?
If you was interested in technicals and had the ability to go over games with such a degree, you'd know the basics.
Er, no? If that was the case, then half of the screen would be black. That wouldn't ever happen anyway, you'd just see a frame drop. Tearing happens when the frame time isn't aligned with the TV's refresh rate, hence overlapping images.
Well, Digital Foundry said in that video puddles are "rendered as a full 3d entity, as opposed to a 2D texture overlay" which sounds to me they're supposed to be visually 3D rendered. If we're talking physics simulation why say "as opposed to a 2D texture overlay"?
Half the screen retains the last image which causes the visible shift in that frame. Project Cars holds a relatively stable 60 fps, but has terrible screentearing because the game can't deliver the full image in the time necessary, so it delivers the partial image.
Forza 6 doesn't tear frames as it consistently draws/delivers the full frame in the time required. The example in this thread is a video editing error from DF.
I just watched this pic again at full screen, no doubt the background and crowds look very low detail, but are these buildings 2d bitmaps? Somethng looks off about them and how they are stretched. Please click the screen so you see it at max resolution.
So you haven't actually played it?
Makes sense with you commenting based of of other people's shots.
Watch a 1080p stream or play the demo. There aren't 2D buildings, lol.
I'll have to look at it myself if they say that. I don't expect them to be fully rendered in 3D...that would be pretty incredible tech wise. I would have thought it's only the physics side that simulates the depth change from the edge of the puddle to the center.