SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).
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I always assumed it was under Big Boss' leadership, but I'm not sure any more. He trained Solid Snake, didn't he?
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Xpike
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i think kojima just wanted a big twist at the end, even if it made no sense. I'll just ignore Venom Snake ever existed, which is easy because he has 1 scene in the rest of the series and it's in 8-bit sprites so who cares about that loser.
Dick Justice
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How d'you know he's not referring to continuing to play his role after the events of TPP?
Also, regarding the hospital scene, is the original version meant to be an unreliable recollection of what's happening from the mind of a guy who's just come out of a coma, while the second version is what actually happened? Because if so, what if Venom realised right away that he wasn't actually Big Boss?
crazyrabbits
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Basically, people think it's evidence of further story DLC/extra content.
Which was a dumb question in the first place. During the credits of the first game, you get a call from the real Big Boss saying that he survived, and that he would face Snake again.
Not even back then anyone assumed Big Boss was dead. He could've escaped through a secret emergency exit or something. I mean, it was his base, and he was a legendary soldier...
Yeah, me neither.
If he was working under Big Boss then I guess he was just pretending to be on good terms with the real one, in order to be able to stab him in the back at some point. Maybe it was the only way he could get close to David, so he had to swallow his pride and put up a nice face to his old Boss...
I'm gonna stick with the interpretation that real big boss was never really evil. Outer heaven operation was ordered by BB to trick Venom into thinking he could get rid of Boss' inferior clone, when really BB knew that Solid would kill Venom, thus making everyone believe big boss is dead, tricking the patriots into thinking that too.
But then in Zanzibar, Kaz wants revenge on real boss so works with Solid and Campbell to take him out. Boss doesn't expect this and "dies". Then after that the rest is history.
But then in Zanzibar, Kaz wants revenge on real boss so works with Solid and Campbell to take him out. Boss doesn't expect this and "dies". Then after that the rest is history.
Ether_Snake
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Too long to explain, google ingsoc mgs.
It was created originally on march 3rd, a few days before Kojima/Kojipro supposedly were "fired/shut" by Kojima, it's linked to a twitter account called #kojimalives, it has been posting all sorts of "ARG"-like stuff related to Metal Gear and PT, had its title say "A ##### ###### Game", etc.
edit: And INGSOC is from Orwell's 1984, which there is a LOT of in MGSV, especially regarding Miller.
Interficium
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Dick Justice
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Saddest thing is that we'll likely never see this in playable form. Would've been pretty awesome.
I don't know. A man who starts wars, fuels their flames, produces orphans from those wars and then sends those orphans to fight in a new war to keep the cycle going seems pretty evil to me. And that was all from the real Big Boss, not Venom.
I can't stop seeing Big Boss' "Aawww c'mon David, stop that" face on that picture.
Veggy
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Could easily replace those with water pistols lol
A nice father and son fieldtrip in Africa.
TheLostBigBoss
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There is actually a major clue to this in the mission screen.
The hospital sequence is titled "FLASHBACK", as in this is what Venom remembers.
TRUTH is the version that actually happens and isn't a memory.
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Xpike
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im still pissed the Truth mission just kind of shows up, if you knew that Mission 51 was going to get cut why not make a proper segue into the real ending
Death Metalist
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Sometimes I just don't get why people can't have fun haha. Stuff like this has always been a part of MGS games after 2 and I find them fun. Who knows, with Kojima's insanity they could also turn out
true.
Hands of Stone
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This gif always slays me lol.
Friday is right around the corner, color me shocked if Kojima somehow ropes 9/11 into this mess of a story.
BreezyLimbo
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That'd be a good comparison, actually.
Yeah, it's obvious from the mined monologue, the cut scene, that Kojima wanted more for the game.
Just got to the tape of Huey talking about Dr. Clark, love the tip-toeing around it. Especially Snake saying 'It'd make a good movie'.
But that's the thing. Phantom Pain gives no indication as to why Big Boss would ever do those things. By the end of the game, we really don't know anymore about Big Boss than we do at the end of Ground Zeroes. Like, why did Big Boss ever even agree to having a fake Boss out there doing his work. What's his master plan and what would eventually make him do the things you mentioned above?
TheLostBigBoss
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...didn't that cut chapter end with a shot of the twin towers?
I saw a couple of mentions of that in one of the OT threads.
Seems appropriate. But you know, in Xenogears at least the plot keeps going. Yes, mostly on text, but in MGSV it basically ends.
And that's one of the reasons people are so disappointed in the plot of this game.
Razgriz-Specter
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Well, it was a shot of the NY skyline, which included the towers and the Statue Of Liberty.
I HIGHLY doubt Kojima will do more. He's supposed to leave Konami soon, right?
Seems about right!
Veggy
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CassidyIzABeast
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Kojima is washed and Konami getting him up out the paint was for the better. There's no telling what he would have retconned and explained when nobody asked him to in MGS6.
Veggy
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Ether_Snake
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You have no proof of that, yet!
edit: To be honest, if the Black Hound site is anything, it's probably related to MPO or FOB. Maybe a new game announced too, cause MGS TPW and Rising were announced together after a long counter.
As a HUGE Metal Gear fan, I just want the series to die already. With, or without Kojima. No more, please.
onepiecefan
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I keep re-thinking how I feel about the story overall. There were great elements, I enjoyed the tapes, especially the truth tapes with Zero, although in those tapes Zero kinda downplays the whole parasite stuff making it feel a bit unimportant. Idk I wish there was more about the big boss's story. And how I wish we got to see solid snake.
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Xpike
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Why even have Chapter 2 at all if it amounted to nothing, should've combined both of them and cut the stupid twist.
Hands of Stone
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People keep saying in December but I'm not sure how accurate that is.
Death Metalist
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Yes, with Eli saying it's not over yet. Like wtf at the randomness lol.
Just can't believe it went out like this.
Fake, glass eye?
And I never saw Ishmael dying a single time during the hospital prologue.
I REALLY wanted a Zone of the Enders 3.
That's what all the rumours stated when the whole fiasco broke. Said he was under contract until the end of the year.
Tbh, I wouldn't be shocked at all if the cut content returns as DLC...paid DLC so Konami can recoup even more money
I think it's clear that Part 2 was supposed to take place on Eli's Island.
When he's in the front of the group and everyone gets lit up
I would take another Rising. I'm sure Platinum could talk to Kojima on the sly.
Otherwise let it die. MGSV wasn't really a necessary game.
That was somebody else. If you check the shot you see very quickly that there's two people with bandaged faces.
Loved him. Wish he had a more active role in the plot (cut content) and they nailed his design, voice and petulant attitude.
Man what was Kojima planning with that? lmao. Maybe it's a good thing Konami stepped in, if they did that is.
TheLostBigBoss
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na, you can see him go into the room on the right if you pause the cutscene.
It's fast, but you can see it.
Agreed. MGS4 was a perfect bookend to the timeline and Peace Walker was a great portable game with a fine story that satisfyingly filled part of the gap between Snake Eater and MG1.
This game did not get evil. "Acid does more to the container" quote, where did that ever apply? Do we apply it to Kaz and not BB? I was on the edge of my seat when he fired into the cell of the child soldiers, jaw down. Oh wait, it's nothing.
I'm looking forward to December where kojima can open up and spill the beans.
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