SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).
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The Silver
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Did they go into detail why Skullface hates Zero and BB to the extent he does?
ViewtifulJC
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They share a very intimate moment when Miller throws the cane down and holds onto Snake as he blasts Skullface to pieces
Remember when The Boss broke your arm and threw you off a bridge?
Ahh, the good old days.
I think Skullface hated Zero as Zero was the type of person who took Skullface's 'fatherland away and was planning to do so to everyone.
As for Big Boss? Who knows.
Thanks, it's not much to go on tho. We could extrapolate literally anything from this.
I wonder if Quiet loved V.
At some point Miller says she's in love with the legend but I'm not sure if it means she's in love with the idea of Big Boss or if she's in love with Big Boss himself.
In my mind canon I'll say she fell in love with him and would've stayed with him for the rest of his life if it wasn't for the English parasite.
It's frustrating; he always has interesting story premises but then completely loses focus and bungles them with twists that undercut said premise. It's almost like he gets bored with being straightforward when straightforward is what's needed.
I love the bromance
or romance
He hates Zero because of his goal for creating a single world language and culture while Skullface lost his when he was young. He was jealous of Big Boss for being the star of FOX while he worked in the shadows but I think he went after him because of how much Zero respects him.
Everything feels weird and less satisfying once you know the truth.
Makes the game almost feel like a side story and not canon.
Banana Aeon
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I still want to know why Skullface picked up the stupid domino mask? It just looks so corny.
Like he's cosplaying as R. Kelly.
Like he's cosplaying as R. Kelly.
I think he says how in feels about Big Boss in the SkullFace and Paz tape. Forgot what he said exactly though.
MrChowderClams
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So I just finished mission 46 and am going through the truth tapes... What in the actual fuck is going on? Throughout the entire game, you're doing all this stuff to fight against cipher, but then it turns out that Cipher/Zero is the one who masterminded the whole body double thing anyway?? What? If Big Boss hates Cipher so much why doesn't he just give him the finger do what he wants instead of going along with the body double plan?
Yep, why would I let my GMP go into the red when the game specifically warns you that you'll lose soldiers permanently if you do? The only annoyingly scarce resource is fuel, and you end up having massive surpluses of everything else that can be converted into unlimited money. I ended up researching almost everything just for the sake of it, even though most of the equipment is useless, because of GMP being so much of a non-issue.
When my waiting room was full before I unlocked the FOB, I was constantly having in-fighting in the base that was sending soldiers to the medbay, and I was expecting to trigger a cutscene like that as a result, but nope.
Only get one of the more poignant cutscenes in the game if you run your PMC into the ground.
Zero isn't in control of Cipher anymore, he's in a vegetable state because of parasites Skull Face infected him with. Sigint and a bunch of AI are now running Cipher by the time of TPP.
keltickennedy
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Man, sucks I can't get Quiet back. It happened right after I unlocked the Sniper Wolf outfit for her too.
MrChowderClams
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He says he wishes big boss appreciated him a bit more for the work he did to support him, but that he doesn't hate big boss. He says big boss has to die because that's just the natural order of things, or some such
Razgriz-Specter
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At the very least once Quiet leaves if we spent the resources to make her hardly useable costumes can we just get those 2 costumes for DD females?
When you really think about it, it kinda is. Nothing that happens really has an impact on canon, and it even ruins things we thought were cool like the fallout between Miller and BB's. Like instead of it being this HUGE emotional moment between the two, its just Miller sitting in a room with ocelot learning that his friend tricked him.
keltickennedy
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I did my best to counteract that by firing all "Troublemaker" soldiers as soon as I got them. Still, pretty tiresome having to go through the full staff after so many missions grabbing soldiers and taking in volunteers.
Just finished up the game and I gotta say I am very happy I avoided spoiler threads. Although the trailers basically gave it all away but I never really thought much about it because there was so much going on in the beginning. It was a great mind fuck all around and the game is an amazing achievement by Kojipro. I wouldn't put it ahead of Snake Eater but its easily #2 for me. It may even change as time goes after so much of it sinks in. As far as gameplay and stealth goes its #1 without doubt.
If I were to rank them as a whole package it would be 3 > 5 > 1 > 2 > 4. The only real disappointment in V was lack of boss fights. The few in the game were really good but I was expecting much more. I also wished Kojima made a cutscene about Mantis and that whole plane story. I thought that was kind of a wasted opportunity. Then again it would have been a bit out of bounds when it comes to the way the story was presented. Also the way the whole Eli stuff ended was kind of weird. But I guess it explains why Mantis and Liquid are together in MGS1. Something real funny for me was that I started thinking Eli was Raiden after that tape revealed there was no genetic match. Plus that whole bit about the Eli's called the white mamba and Raiden called the White Devil when reflecting on his child soldier days in mgs2 iirc. So for a short minute there I thought it was another Kojima trick. But I quickly snapped out of it lol. I am sort of puzzled why Kojima gave away so much in the trailers. On the one hand the trailers were some of the most amazing and hype trailers this industry has ever seen. On the other he went on the extreme with it all. He should have at least hid the "What about him" part in the 1975 hospital bit with Kaz.
Anyways the highlight of this game was missions 28-31. I played them without pause and it was fucking incredible. I loved it and the car ride with Skull Face was very immersive. The Metal Gear fight was best in the series by far. Its actually very nice seeing Kojima finally be able to make the Metal Gear fight he always wanted. Just seeing how it all evolved from early Playstation days to now is quite something. I used Quiet as a buddy most of the game and it was fun. The buddy system puts this game up on a pedestal up and above all other action/stealth games. The feature is incredible.
One question I have tho. I may have misheard it or it slipped my ears but whose pin were Zero and Skull Face talking about in that secret recording tape? Someone that died in 41 but I have hard time remembering. Was it The Sorrow?
If I were to rank them as a whole package it would be 3 > 5 > 1 > 2 > 4. The only real disappointment in V was lack of boss fights. The few in the game were really good but I was expecting much more. I also wished Kojima made a cutscene about Mantis and that whole plane story. I thought that was kind of a wasted opportunity. Then again it would have been a bit out of bounds when it comes to the way the story was presented. Also the way the whole Eli stuff ended was kind of weird. But I guess it explains why Mantis and Liquid are together in MGS1. Something real funny for me was that I started thinking Eli was Raiden after that tape revealed there was no genetic match. Plus that whole bit about the Eli's called the white mamba and Raiden called the White Devil when reflecting on his child soldier days in mgs2 iirc. So for a short minute there I thought it was another Kojima trick. But I quickly snapped out of it lol. I am sort of puzzled why Kojima gave away so much in the trailers. On the one hand the trailers were some of the most amazing and hype trailers this industry has ever seen. On the other he went on the extreme with it all. He should have at least hid the "What about him" part in the 1975 hospital bit with Kaz.
Anyways the highlight of this game was missions 28-31. I played them without pause and it was fucking incredible. I loved it and the car ride with Skull Face was very immersive. The Metal Gear fight was best in the series by far. Its actually very nice seeing Kojima finally be able to make the Metal Gear fight he always wanted. Just seeing how it all evolved from early Playstation days to now is quite something. I used Quiet as a buddy most of the game and it was fun. The buddy system puts this game up on a pedestal up and above all other action/stealth games. The feature is incredible.
One question I have tho. I may have misheard it or it slipped my ears but whose pin were Zero and Skull Face talking about in that secret recording tape? Someone that died in 41 but I have hard time remembering. Was it The Sorrow?
Doctor_Thomas
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My GMP dropped into the red once, early on, while on a mission, so I sold a few resources to bring it back above zero. Late game, you have so much GMP, you'll never see it. An odd "punishment" for poor management.
I'm pretty sure the game was clearly shipping them, especially with that rain scene.
Also, it's not farfetched for them to gain some form of feelings for one another considering they do share a common trait of being "silenced" one way or another so they got something to relate to in that regard. It also makes Quiet's case all the more tragic considering her presumed death later on and the fact that she fell in love with the man she needed to kill.
lol I dunno about you guys but I never the bromance factor b/w them this time around, even before the Venom reveal. If anything, I felt like Snake was pissing Miller off more and more as I progressed.
Either way, nothing beats the glorious sauna fight tape in PW. Nothing.
Berserker976
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I thought it was terrible. It followed the same pattern as the actual game itself though. Take something interesting and then have a twist that makes it pointless.
Twist! Paz isn't dead. At the beginning of the game the doctor tells you you may not remember things that happened right before your coma accurately, and this opens up a whole host of questions about how much of GZ happened as you remember it happening.
Twist! lol never mind.
Exactly. That double Paz twist was so insulting to the players intellect.
Well yeah toward the end of V there was definitely tension, but you could tell that the 2 were very close, even when they were arguing.
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I think she liked him in general, because he was nice to not kill her and to cover her with is jacket. He was treating her with the respect that Kojima never gave her. She definitly was attracted to V and was willing to die for him. That's more than a lot of marriages have.
Maybe it's becauce of it. Miller knew he didn't get the OG, so he settled for an advanced dakimakura of his.
Wasn't it because he was never appreciated. I dont know what Skullface actually did as support, but he felt bad because Big Boss got all the glory and everyone worshipped him, while he was not even there in the minds. Also Zero seemed to be a shit boss if your name didn't include Boss. So he hates Zero and is very aware that Big Boss is a danger, by his name alone.
Fr0stbyte
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Same, let the girl just be dead and allow me to reminisce with my own PW photos.
OverdriveOtaku
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I tried getting an answer in the main thread to no avail, but how many total main missions are there? 50?
shit, I liked Skull Face's domino mask. The whole game I just laughed and was like "why the fuck is he wearing that"? It was great.
I feel like Skull Face was right on the cusp of being a truly great villain. Coming of GZ you're left wondering "WHO IS THIS MOTHERFUCKER" and it concludes in TPP with kind of a whimper because he doesn't get enough screen time and his motivations are kind of vague and confusing
I feel like Skull Face was right on the cusp of being a truly great villain. Coming of GZ you're left wondering "WHO IS THIS MOTHERFUCKER" and it concludes in TPP with kind of a whimper because he doesn't get enough screen time and his motivations are kind of vague and confusing
Yup 50.
OverdriveOtaku
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Awesome, thanks!
Sorcerer Supreme
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What a disappointing ending. I'm glad Kaz tells the Boss to go fuck himself and the same goes for Ocelot.
Miller was really annoying. Every cutscene was him getting mad at something.
Also, why the fuck wasn't Ocelot in more of the game as an active character rather than just a pretty chill dude who keeps things at Mother Base in check. I mean, the guys ends up becoming the main villain of the Solid Snake era and his true position is never truly known at any time. He's always a quadruple-supermacdouble agent who always has a plan. It was hard to see the Ocelot in this game as ever being the Ocelot from Snake Eater or becoming the Ocelot in MGS1, 2, or 3.
You know what would be really cool? And this going with Evilore's crazy V proposition from eariler.
Have Paz randomly appear at a distance randomly in different parts of Mother Base a la G-Man in Half Life 2, then disappear into a corner whenever the player approaches.
There, that's how you do ghost Paz right.
razzmahtazz
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Makes you wonder if Kojima was playing around with the idea of a choice system earlier along with an open world, maybe trying to go Infamous.
Which part of the legend of Big Boss do you want to bring to life? The ruthless megalomaniac or the misunderstood antagonist?
Maybe a bit too ambitious for Konami?
BreezyLimbo
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I just thought of something.
Major Zero, and Englishman, is serving with the US forces. And when he developes the Patriot system, it's for America first and foremost. Despite him being British.
How ridiculous.
Major Zero, and Englishman, is serving with the US forces. And when he developes the Patriot system, it's for America first and foremost. Despite him being British.
How ridiculous.
Fr0stbyte
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I wanted to know more about how he helped you out in Snake Eater too.
Well, if you want to rule the entire world you might as well start by rigging the biggest world superpower of that time, no?
Ehhhh, expats are a thing. Like I define myself as more Canadian and I barely give two shits about my original country even though I've only lived in Canada for about 8 years.
Still, Zero is a fucking weird expat because he's clearly a super-brit based on his behavior and tastes.
I'm gonna be honest, I still hate the twist, but Venom might be one of my favorite Metal Gear characters simply because he isn't an asshat. I hate him because he's not really BB, but I love him because he says really nice things to his friends like "you're all diamonds".
What a sweetheart.
What a sweetheart.
So does John Oliver.
I just pictured Skull Face and his team entering an area Snake was just leaving and cleaning up the bodies or taking out or soldiers prior to Snake arriving on the scene.
Something like in those MGS3 bonus comedy videos.
Yabberwocky
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Yeah, and the Skullface revenge cutscene managed to up the chemistry even more. I'm now convinced that Kojima used the Quiet fan-service as a continual distraction method for the amount of times Kaz and Venom nearly end up in an angry lip-lock. The cutscenes between them always seem to have a point where their faces end up in close proximity to each other. It's quite impressive.
"Breasts! Breasts! Look at the breasts! Now watch them nearly kiss! Look at the breasts in the helicopter! Look at the breasts in the rain! Now nearly kiss again! Breasts! Breasts!"
Come to think of it, the only character development I can think of is Otacon. His dad being a sociopathic monster helps explain why Otacon acted as defense attorney / lickspittle when it came to anything to do with Sniper Wolf. But he actually developed out of that and became a good person. Except for banging his stepmom. That's still not cool, dude.
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