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This is not necessarily a dating question, but does anyone have suggestions for talking to someone you find attractive but don't have any real reason to speak to? I'm so busy at work that the office is where most of my socializing is done. There's one girl there in particular who is very cute, but I just don't have a good reason to go over and talk to her.

I know work relationships aren't always advised, but there are several healthy ones at my office. And honestly I'm not really worried about that step, just trying to get better at being more outgoing.
 
I think the overarching point that you miss when you push back every time on GAF advice is that you're still very much a part of this world that is so hurtful to you. Whether it is friends that know both of you or not having her blocked on various things, you always seem to be getting this news. If you can't handle hearing it, then you really need to cut it all off.

To be fair this 'friend' wasn't mutual between us. I don't talk to anyone that was a mutual friend. She took it upon herself to talk to my ex via her social media and, for some reason, my ex gave this girl her number some time ago. I should note that this female 'friend' of mine is very pretty. My ex, when we were together, was a bit insecure about her. I lost touch with this friend once my ex and I began dating. Not sure if that has to do with anything.

Regardless, you're right. Some part of me can't let go & that's probably why I haven't blocked her on IG/Twitter. Does it matter at this point, though. I am blocked by her on both those fronts and going to her page to block her means I have to see her stupid picture which my scumbag brain will not like. If it's deemed necessary that I do so, I'll give my logon info to someone in here (via PM) to get it done.

This is not necessarily a dating question, but does anyone have suggestions for talking to someone you find attractive but don't have any real reason to speak to? I'm so busy at work that the office is where most of my socializing is done. There's one girl there in particular who is very cute, but I just don't have a good reason to go over and talk to her.

I know work relationships aren't always advised, but there are several healthy ones at my office. And honestly I'm not really worried about that step, just trying to get better at being more outgoing.

Considering you both work at the same place there must be something you two have in common. During lunch or passing by you can always walk up to her and say something like, "hey, I'm [name]. I don't think we've met before, but I see you around the office all the time." and go from there. Dunno, might work.
 
To be fair this 'friend' wasn't mutual between us. I don't talk to anyone that was a mutual friend. She took it upon herself to talk to my ex via her social media and, for some reason, my ex gave this girl her number some time ago. I should note that this female 'friend' of mine is very pretty. My ex, when we were together, was a bit insecure about her. I lost touch with this friend once my ex and I began dating. Not sure if that has to do with anything.

Regardless, you're right. Some part of me can't let go & that's probably why I haven't blocked her on IG/Twitter. Does it matter at this point, though. I am blocked by her on both those fronts and going to her page to block her means I have to see her stupid picture which my scumbag brain will not like. If it's deemed necessary that I do so, I'll give my logon info to someone in here (via PM) to get it done.



Considering you both work at the same place there must be something you two have in common. During lunch or passing by you can always walk up to her and say something like, "hey, I'm [name]. I don't think we've met before, but I see you around the office all the time." and go from there. Dunno, might work.
No, no one here should login to block her for you. You need to get the banks to click two damn buttons and block her. Stop constantly making excuses.
 
Regardless, you're right. Some part of me can't let go & that's probably why I haven't blocked her on IG/Twitter. Does it matter at this point, though. I am blocked by her on both those fronts and going to her page to block her means I have to see her stupid picture which my scumbag brain will not like. If it's deemed necessary that I do so, I'll give my logon info to someone in here (via PM) to get it done.

You're seeing a therapist, right? This is something you should be talking to them about. Might even make for a helpful exercise - you blocking your ex while in their office, while your therapist takes note of your reactions.
 
No, no one here should login to block her for you. You need to get the banks to click two damn buttons and block her. Stop constantly making excuses.

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Lol wow, it ain't that serious. Fucking block her and move on with your life. Jesus.

It's pretty crazy that people have things that trigger depression, such as seeing a picture of their ex. Crazy, huh? Jesus.

You're seeing a therapist, right? This is something you should be talking to them about. Might even make for a helpful exercise - you blocking your ex while in their office, while your therapist takes note of your reactions.

Yes. Therapist said it doesn't matter whether I block her or not. It means nothing. What means something is whether or not I actively go to my ex's profiles, because blocking her or not I could still go look.
 
If seeing a picture of her makes you depressed, that is all the more reason to block her.

And if you can't help but go on her profile, delete the app.
 
If seeing a picture of her makes you depressed, that is all the more reason to block her.

And if you can't help but go on her profile, delete the app.

That's the thing, I've been great about that lately. I've not even felt the slightest desire to go on her profiles. And seeing her picture won't matter one way or the other if I block her or not. I don't follow her (and she has me blocked afaik) so I'd never see anything on my feed or notifications regarding anything about her.

Edit: I just went to her instagram profile & blocked her. As I thought, seeing her mini bio thing and seeing her face raised my damn heart rate and my mood suddenly dropped a notch. But I did it. Blocked. Thankfully she has me blocked so I didn't see even more crap I don't want to see.
 
That's the thing, I've been great about that lately. I've not even felt the slightest desire to go on her profiles. And seeing her picture won't matter one way or the other if I block her or not. I don't follow her (and she has me blocked afaik) so I'd never see anything on my feed or notifications regarding anything about her.

Edit: I just went to her instagram profile & blocked her. As I thought, seeing her mini bio thing and seeing her face raised my damn heart rate and my mood suddenly dropped a notch. But I did it. Blocked. Thankfully she has me blocked so I didn't see even more crap I don't want to see.

If you're logged and can see her profile it means she hasn't blocked you. When you block someone on facebook the friendship is undone and you both can not see each other. Blocking her on instagram and not following her on facebook is good enough if you have the strength to not go to her profile. I did exactly that with the last girl that made me depressed.
 
If you're logged and can see her profile it means she hasn't blocked you. When you block someone on facebook the friendship is undone and you both can not see each other. Blocking her on instagram and not following her on facebook is good enough if you have the strength to not go to her profile. I did exactly that with the last girl that made me depressed.

She blocked me on her 2nd FB profile (the one she has her new bf on). Her 1st profile, the one where she's friends with my family, she has deleted me from & she has also disabled that one.
 
This is not necessarily a dating question, but does anyone have suggestions for talking to someone you find attractive but don't have any real reason to speak to? I'm so busy at work that the office is where most of my socializing is done. There's one girl there in particular who is very cute, but I just don't have a good reason to go over and talk to her.

I know work relationships aren't always advised, but there are several healthy ones at my office. And honestly I'm not really worried about that step, just trying to get better at being more outgoing.
Have you two been introduced yet? If not, just go over to her and say something along the lines of, "I don't think we've met, I'm (name)." and take the conversation from there.

If you've already been acquainted, and know her by name, I don't see why you can't just go over to her and ask her how her weekend was? It doesn't have to be that hard.

Just because she's attractive doesn't mean you have to approach her any differently than you would anyone else.
 
Real talk. How come you have such a gift for saying what I'm thinking much better than I do myself?

I have a lot of free time on my hands ;D

You're so out there on this. I'm not sure how you can construe her actions as being an innocent mistake and she was that oblivious to hire shitty she was acting after she made even the friend uncomfortable as hell and still pressed the matter. Sometimes people deserve second chances, there no way in hell this person does this time.

I was going to jump in on that debate, but you summed my thoughts up on that wonderfully.

\Now you're assuming. I didn't look. I was told. In fact I was told by a girl who has been wanting to get with me for months, but since I refused she must have taken to it quite negatively. She decided to tell my ex a ton of lies about me (that I want to hurt her, stalk her, that I call her phone everyday via a blocked number, etc) which prompted my ex to say some even meaner shit towards me (if I'm to believe my 'friend' who relayed the messages) including that "she is legally married" (wtf other kind of married is there, illegally married?). That's how I heard about it. Again, hearsay - probably bullshit for many reasons, but whatever. I blocked this 'friend', too.

Well, I certainly assumed wrong there. Wow, what a shitty friend :/

This is not necessarily a dating question, but does anyone have suggestions for talking to someone you find attractive but don't have any real reason to speak to? I'm so busy at work that the office is where most of my socializing is done. There's one girl there in particular who is very cute, but I just don't have a good reason to go over and talk to her.

I know work relationships aren't always advised, but there are several healthy ones at my office. And honestly I'm not really worried about that step, just trying to get better at being more outgoing.

Well, what department does she work in? Do you know anything at all about her? Most people in my office that aren't good friends mainly bond about the stories in the paper (lol). Is there anything like that you can do?
 
So a girl messaged me on pof, didn't have a picture. Still I messaged back, after a couple I asked for a picture. My issue is that I want to get out there and meet women as I have little experience, but I'm not very attracted to her. She isn't ugly or anything but there isn't an immediate attraction for me.

Should I continue or stop?
 
So a girl messaged me on pof, didn't have a picture. Still I messaged back, after a couple I asked for a picture. My issue is that I want to get out there and meet women as I have little experience, but I'm not very attracted to her. She isn't ugly or anything but there isn't an immediate attraction for me.

Should I continue or stop?

Contrary to what certain people on gaf will tell you, physical attraction matters. Now, seeing as though you're simply doing it for experience, I'd say meet her. No expectations, make sure she understands that or else it'll be like you're leading her on.
 
What the fuck? In terms of me or spmh?
It was directed at SPMH. As for you, you should ignore this one thing that your therapist has said regarding blocking your ex not being relevant. It is. Why? Its a proactive action. You take a real step towards eliminating her out of your life. If it wasn't that significant then we wouldn't even be having this discussion, would we? Suppressing your emotions by avoiding her profile forever is not the same as taking a stand and removing her from your life.

Its easy to block people. The fact that you can't do it and have instead flooded two threads with posts only illustrates how deep this issue is for you. Look, the best way to truly not care about your ex is to find a new girlfriend who's better than her. This is blunt and cold, yes, but not any less true. You won't meet new girls with a negative mindset and a clingy behavior towards an ex who has been disrespectful towards you.

Its your life, man.

torontoml said:
Should I continue or stop?
This is the kind of decision that you shouldn't ask us about. In order to be successful at dating you need a good mindset, and part of that is being able to decide for yourself based on what your mind tells you. Its one thing to ask for help regarding a complex dating matter, its another to ask regarding a basic question such as this.

Its literally very simple. Do you care enough about personality over attraction? If yes, go date. If no, stay home. I'm not saying this to discourage you from asking for advice--you definitely should, of course--I'm just trying to outline the importance of decision making and being confident enough to trust your own gut.
 
Thanks. I've delete the profiles. Btw, I've a far different tone in person when it comes to this.

I don't really believe this and it's the same thing that every negative poster says in this thread. I realise sometimes people can appear quite different on a forum like this than real life (I certainly fit that group). However the fact that you do consistently post this negative stuff and bring up your ex so often I just can't believe this attitude doesn't seep into your real life as well.
 
It was directed at SPMH. As for you, you should ignore this one thing that your therapist has said regarding blocking your ex not being relevant. It is. Why? Its a proactive action. You take a real step towards eliminating her out of your life. If it wasn't that significant then we wouldn't even be having this discussion, would we? Suppressing your emotions by avoiding her profile forever is not the same as taking a stand and removing her from your life.

GAF: go see a therapist
GAF: your therapist is wrong

Anyway, I blocked her on IG today.

stn said:
Its easy to block people. The fact that you can't do it and have instead flooded two threads with posts only illustrates how deep this issue is for you. Look, the best way to truly not care about your ex is to find a new girlfriend who's better than her. This is blunt and cold, yes, but not any less true. You won't meet new girls with a negative mindset and a clingy behavior towards an ex who has been disrespectful towards you.

Its your life, man.

How's that cold? Hell, I could've told you that'd be an effective means to not caring about her anymore.

I don't really believe this and it's the same thing that every negative poster says in this thread. I realise sometimes people can appear quite different on a forum like this than real life (I certainly fit that group). However the fact that you do consistently post this negative stuff and bring up your ex so often I just can't believe this attitude doesn't seep into your real life as well.

You don't have to believe me. There's no way I can prove it to you.
 
GAF: go see a therapist
GAF: your therapist is wrong

Anyway, I blocked her on IG today.

Yes, your therapist is wrong about one thing, in some of our opinions. That doesn't negate the need to see a therapist. Jesus Christ, the parade of argumentative negativity continues.


But I'm sure you're an absolute ray of sunshine IRL.
 
Yes, your therapist is wrong about one thing, in some of our opinions. That doesn't negate the need to see a therapist. Jesus Christ, the parade of argumentative negativity continues.


But I'm sure you're an absolute ray of sunshine IRL.

Jesus fuck, & you wonder why I'm negative. I do shit gaf tells me to do, and then suddenly gaf says that it's wrong. Oh, but no I should be always bubbly, shouldn't I? Come on.
 
Jesus fuck, & you wonder why I'm negative. I do shit gaf tells me to do, and then suddenly gaf says that it's wrong. Oh, but no I should be always bubbly, shouldn't I? Come on.

You're NEVER bubbly. Every one of your posts in any of these threads is decidedly negative and brings up the same issues time and again. For over a year.

And again, you're conflating us disagreeing with ONE THING your therapist said with us going back on the recommendation that you see a therapist.

You're acting like a child. Grow the fuck up.
 
You're NEVER bubbly. Every one of your posts in any of these threads is decidedly negative and brings up the same issues time and again. For over a year.

And again, you're conflating us disagreeing with ONE THING your therapist said with us going back on the recommendation that you see a therapist.

You're acting like a child. Grow the fuck up.

Over a year? That alone tells me you've paid little to no attention. Well done.
 
Jesus fuck, & you wonder why I'm negative. I do shit gaf tells me to do, and then suddenly gaf says that it's wrong. Oh, but no I should be always bubbly, shouldn't I? Come on.

I believe you. I'm negative and sad and lonely as fuck on my own. I sure as hell don't tell my friends that shit or let it be apparent. My friends think I'm fucking amazing. They hold me on such a high regard. If I was negative and self-pitying and sad as fuck around others then my friends wouldn't think this stuff of me. It's not even just my friends. Coworkers think I'm outrageous and my hot milf manager loves to tease me now even though she hated me at first. I was just being me. I didn't fake anything, I didn't force myself to be happy, though I did suppress my darker feelings. That's why I think it's bullshit when people say girls can see that you're desperate or miserable or just not happy with your life. That's just simply not the case unless you're literally a miserable sulking sack everywhere you go.
 
I believe you. I'm negative and sad and lonely as fuck on my own. I sure as hell don't tell my friends that shit or let it be apparent. My friends think I'm fucking amazing. They hold me on such a high regard. If I was negative and self-pitying and sad as fuck around others then my friends wouldn't think this stuff of me. It's not even just my friends. Coworkers think I'm outrageous and my hot milf manager loves to tease me now even though she hated me at first. I was just being me. I didn't fake anything, I didn't force myself to be happy, though I did suppress my darker feelings. That's why I think it's bullshit when people say girls can see that you're desperate or miserable or just not happy with your life. That's just simply not the case unless you're literally a miserable sulking sack everywhere you go.

Seriously. People in these threads assume that because I air how I feel in here, I must do this in real life as well. Because I'm negative, lonely, & depressed now I must also be like this in person. No, not the case. I put on a different face when I'm out with friends. No way would I let them know this is how it is. There is no point. There is no fixing this by letting them know.
 
Over a year? That alone tells me you've paid little to no attention. Well done.

Right, I've paid little to no attention because I don't know the exact date when you started this. I profusely apologize.

The only data point we have about you is your constant negative posts on here and your recent depressing rant on Twitter. Why would we think anything different when you give us no reason to?

I'm going to stop responding now. I wish you the best. I hope you find happiness.
 
Seriously. People in these threads assume that because I air how I feel in here, I must do this in real life as well. Because I'm negative, lonely, & depressed now I must also be like this in person. No, not the case. I put on a different face when I'm out with friends. No way would I let them know this is how it is. There is no point. There is no fixing this by letting them know.

I believe you.

I've been going through a difficult period professionally, where I'm begrudgingly happy where I am, yet want to move somewhere else -- I've been looking for a permanent job for over a year, and I've stressed over financial matters. None of that affects dating, at least not overtly. Do I "suffer" versus the guy who's 100% passionate about being a nurse, helping sick children? Or the guy who's grinding it out playing music in divey bars? Yeah, undoubtedly.

It's a slight handicap, but it's not an overwhelming one. Like 99% of professional Americans, I can legitimately say that I'm OK where I am, but I'm trying to do better for myself. The same goes with friends: it's not their job to receive my mind-dumps. I have one friend who's completely invested in my romantic life, so I go to her with questions; I've got several others who care about whether I've had job interviews. I try to balance things so that I don't overwhelm any single person.

Anyway, I guess my conclusion is this: it's totally possible to conceal being lonely, depressed, and negative. But your "ceiling" is going to be lower than someone who's actually content, happy, and positive. Doesn't mean we can't improve, though.
 
So a girl messaged me on pof, didn't have a picture. Still I messaged back, after a couple I asked for a picture. My issue is that I want to get out there and meet women as I have little experience, but I'm not very attracted to her. She isn't ugly or anything but there isn't an immediate attraction for me.

Should I continue or stop?
Stop. Attraction is important. It's not superficial, rude, or immature. It's just life. If you're not attracted to her, a relationship will never work because you'll always want more.

Don't waste your time.
 
Right, I've paid little to no attention because I don't know the exact date when you started this. I profusely apologize.

The only data point we have about you is your constant negative posts on here and your recent depressing rant on Twitter. Why would we think anything different when you give us no reason to?

I'm going to stop responding now. I wish you the best. I hope you find happiness.

What?

I believe you.

I've been going through a difficult period professionally, where I'm begrudgingly happy where I am, yet want to move somewhere else -- I've been looking for a permanent job for over a year, and I've stressed over financial matters. None of that affects dating, at least not overtly. Do I "suffer" versus the guy who's 100% passionate about being a nurse, helping sick children? Or the guy who's grinding it out playing music in divey bars? Yeah, undoubtedly.

It's a slight handicap, but it's not an overwhelming one. Like 99% of professional Americans, I can legitimately say that I'm OK where I am, but I'm trying to do better for myself. The same goes with friends: it's not their job to receive my mind-dumps. I have one friend who's completely invested in my romantic life, so I go to her with questions; I've got several others who care about whether I've had job interviews. I try to balance things so that I don't overwhelm any single person.

Anyway, I guess my conclusion is this: it's totally possible to conceal being lonely, depressed, and negative. But your "ceiling" is going to be lower than someone who's actually content, happy, and positive. Doesn't mean we can't improve, though.

Yeah, agreed. Always room for improvement. Eyes slowly opening on that one. Aint easy with this state of mind.
 
Yes. Therapist said it doesn't matter whether I block her or not. It means nothing. What means something is whether or not I actively go to my ex's profiles, because blocking her or not I could still go look.
It's true that it technically 'doesn't matter' for someone who's moved on, but you're clinging on this one thing your therapist said as a excuse to keep her on as a 'friend'. If having her as a 'friend' or not really meant nothing, you should have no qualms about deleting her, and there wouldn't be this internal struggle over the course of months.

It sounds like you might be treating this 'friendship' as a safety blanket, as a last connection to her. Even if you didn't regularly check it out.

Symbolic gestures matter. Delete her. Make it a point of no return.
 
This might make him desperate for finding a new girlfriend though.

This is unfortunately me right now. Talking to a new girl really helps me. Even though I'm extremely busy right now with school and work, it's still not distracting enough at all. However, texting some girl I met online or something or a girl who's number I happened to get really helps me forget about my ex. What sucks is when those texts go nowhere and they stop responding. Then I start thinking about my ex again.
 
It's true that it technically 'doesn't matter' for someone who's moved on, but you're clinging on this one thing your therapist said as a excuse to keep her on as a 'friend'. If having her as a 'friend' or not really meant nothing, you should have no qualms about deleting her, and there wouldn't be this internal struggle over the course of months.

It sounds like you might be treating this 'friendship' as a safety blanket, as a last connection to her. Even if you didn't regularly check it out.

Symbolic gestures matter. Delete her. Make it a point of no return.

She hasn't been on my friends list on anything since December. Her old FB account, she deleted me on it a month ago and then deleted that account. Nothing is being clung to. I blocked her on IG last night too.

This is unfortunately me right now. Talking to a new girl really helps me. Even though I'm extremely busy right now with school and work, it's still not distracting enough at all. However, texting some girl I met online or something or a girl who's number I happened to get really helps me forget about my ex. What sucks is when those texts go nowhere and they stop responding. Then I start thinking about my ex again.

This is my exact position. Work, school, etc do little to nothing for distraction. When talking to a girl I'm interested in, however, totally distracts me.
 
So after talking to her about it. She really wanted to keep reassuring me that it really was nothing more than a mean spirited joke, even showed me the texts between him and her where she told him it was a joke before she told me. Not that he could really think it was funny either, and that she would never seriously try to hurt me like that since I'm always there for her. Still don't really know how I feel about that at all, but whatever. She really REALLY wants us to forget that it ever happened and keep on going as usual. Which I think is disrespectful to my feelings on the matter personally.

I pretty much told her that, sure, if she wants to pretend like it didn't happen, fine, but it's not something I'll ever forget, and that she's heartless if she ever thinks I will. We're going to go on as usual, but she shouldn't expect me to treat her the same at all after that, and that I still can't really say I've forgiven her. Seems like she understood though.
 
More Med-gaf than dating gaf but I found out too late the 12 hour anti-congestant I took yesterday can cause problems with restricting blood flow (especially if it interacts with my anti-depressant) which can affect.... yeah. I have a date tonight with a rediculously cute girl and I'm worried it isn't gonna be fixed by then, how can I stop myself from being anxious about this.
 
More Med-gaf than dating gaf but I found out too late the 12 hour anti-congestant I took yesterday can cause problems with restricting blood flow (especially if it interacts with my anti-depressant) which can affect.... yeah. I have a date tonight with a rediculously cute girl and I'm worried it isn't gonna be fixed by then, how can I stop myself from being anxious about this.

Whilst i'm not an expert on all medications i really doubt the one you have taken will really have much impact on your ability to have an erection. Especially if you took it yesterday. I'd say there is nothing to really be worried about. If anything your anxiety about it is much more likely to be an issue. Relax and just enjoy yourself, don't work yourself up about what may or may not happen.
 
That's not what this situation boils down to - at all. While that's part of it, the bigger part is that she's a manipulative bitch as demonstrated by the actions described. It's a continued series of humiliating events with his feelings at stake. There's much more than a lapse in judgement. At the very best, she's lame, unfunny and an oblivious dumbass for even thinking this would be funny. The reason he shouldn't associate with her outside of necessary interactions at simple: All interactions with her are invariably going to bring back dem feels. Both constant feelings of unrequited desire - which sucks ass - and bitterness of her "funny prank lolz". Nothing good can come of that.

Your opinion on this is clearly an outlier. Just because some people deserve second chances, doesn't mean she does in this situation. Accusing someone of projecting their bitterness on this not only contributes nothing, but it's pretty much a meaningless justification on your bizarre view of this scenario. I would never forget it if someone did something like this to me. It would be downright humiliating and if he has any spine whatsoever he'll ditch her as a friend.

You're making so many assertions about who she is and her character based on like a 600 word post about an hours worth of time and something she immediately apologised for. But no, she's obviously a manipulative bitch with no sense of humour?

Like seriously, she did a manipulative, bitchy thing one time, that does not necessarily make someone a manipulative bitch. Being forgiving doesn't make you spineless.

I wouldn't hold it against him if he cut all contact with her after something like that, I think that's a reasonable response too if he was that hurt and thought the friendship was too damaged to carry it on. I just think the people telling him "Stop being friends right now or she's just going to walk all over you forever" are way off.
 
Mostly coming here because i need to vent and because sadly I'm only a junior member and can't make my own thread but perhaps this pitty problem I'm having isn't deserving of its own thread anyway. and fyi sorry this is not a problem about me and my SO. its actually about me and my mother and idk i just need advice and I'm not sure where to turn.

so ill try to be as brief as possible. Throughout my life, I've always been pretty close to my mother. When i moved to France for 5months i always called my parents to see how their day was and to say goodnight. While my SO warned me this may become a problem (talking to my parents each day), it never really bothered me because like i said i have/had a good relationship with them. Fast forward a year and a half now I'm living on my own doing my grad studies. I still don't mind calling each night just to say goodnight because like i said i have a good relationship with my parents. HOWEVER the problem comes when, god forbid i don't call and she hasn't heard from me all day (sometimes I'm fucking busy with classes and homework). My mother freaks out and assumes the worst. When i tell her I'm an adult and its not mandatory that i "check in" and that i want her to respect that i have my own life, she goes on pretty much saying you're not gonna be an adult to me until i die.

Next problem i have, when i spent labor day weekend home, i used my mothers phone to check my email for school because she has a smart phone i do not. I couldn't figure out how to log out . OOPS my mistake--i asked her to log me out and she never did. Since then, she has been going through my emails and even forwarded one of my PERSONAL emails to herself which had NOTHING to do with her, COMPLETELY BREACHING MY PERSONAL PRIVACY. When i confronted her about it over the phone reminding her that i trusted her to log out and most importantly i am an adult and i am entitled to my own personally privacy she said and i quote "blah.blah.blah you're not an adult to me until i die so talk to the wall" LIKE SERIOUSLY WTF IM 22 GOD DAMN YEARS OLD. I will not stand for this and i need advice: i want to continue to keep a good relationship with my mom (and dad by extension) but how can this be possible when she doesn't respect the fact that i am an adult and am entitled to my privacy? Do i cut her out of my life? Do i stop talking to her? do i only text her? I do not want to continue on as normal I NEED TO SEND THE MESSAGE THAT THIS NEEDS TO FUCKING STOP. What do i do? Maybe i can talk to her explaining that id like to keep a good relationship with her but cannot unless she starts to respect that I'm an adult and need my privacy. But that sounds like an ultimatum but maybe thats what she needs? idk... :( just so fucking mad over this!!!

tldr: im 22 god damn years old and my mother doesn't respect the fact that i am an adult and am entitled to my own privacy. also i don't fucking live at home either so this shouldn't even be a problem anymore. What do i do?
 
GAF: go see a therapist
GAF: your therapist is wrong

Anyway, I blocked her on IG today.

Therapists are human beings. Just like you, they're fallible people that can make mistakes. It's wrong to think of a therapist and their advice as some type of holy gospel--that isn't the point of a therapist. Therapists are essentially people with degrees in being able to dig into your emotions and try to help you face them. If your therapist is saying "If you don't do what I say in the way I'm saying it, then you'll never get better", then she is a bad therapist and you should get another one. Their purpose is to help you, not direct your life, and to decide if there is further professional help that you need (whether it be another type of therapist, or some sort of medication for depression/mental illness). If you are taking everything they say as "if I don't do this, then I'll never get better", then that's not the right mindset to have.

As for the subject at hand, your therarpist is somewhat right--as long as you don't look at the page, then effectively it shouldn't matter. But stn is also right. Not going to her page, but not blocking her, is a passive choice, more like you're just going with the flow and if you get over her, you get over her. Going to her page and blocking her is an active choice, in that you are taking the effort to go onto these sites and removing her from your life. The active choice is also the more painful one, as you saw, because it makes you really face your feelings and take that first, deliberate step towards moving on, consciously.

Whether you want to live life passively or actively is ultimately your choice.

Seriously. People in these threads assume that because I air how I feel in here, I must do this in real life as well. Because I'm negative, lonely, & depressed now I must also be like this in person. No, not the case. I put on a different face when I'm out with friends. No way would I let them know this is how it is. There is no point. There is no fixing this by letting them know.

Honestly, it's good to open up to your friends, if they're true friends. They can help you through rough emotional patches. And while I fully believe that "fake it till you make it" works, it's always nice to have someone to open up to that's not a therapist. Support groups and all that.

Also, Infinity, please stop arguing the exact definitions of some of the things we say. You know full well what Llyanor meant by having her as a 'friend', and if you truly don't, then you have to take everything that is said so literally.

I also say that to you, Diaboli. It's good to have a friend you can talk to personal matters about. It helps to get through the stress/frustration a lot.

This is unfortunately me right now. Talking to a new girl really helps me. Even though I'm extremely busy right now with school and work, it's still not distracting enough at all. However, texting some girl I met online or something or a girl who's number I happened to get really helps me forget about my ex. What sucks is when those texts go nowhere and they stop responding. Then I start thinking about my ex again.

I understand that's what you're doing, but that's not a healthy mindset to have in terms of looking for a new girlfriend. Great for hook-ups and one night stands, but for a tangible relationship you may come away disappointed.

So after talking to her about it. She really wanted to keep reassuring me that it really was nothing more than a mean spirited joke, even showed me the texts between him and her where she told him it was a joke before she told me. Not that he could really think it was funny either, and that she would never seriously try to hurt me like that since I'm always there for her. Still don't really know how I feel about that at all, but whatever. She really REALLY wants us to forget that it ever happened and keep on going as usual. Which I think is disrespectful to my feelings on the matter personally.

I pretty much told her that, sure, if she wants to pretend like it didn't happen, fine, but it's not something I'll ever forget, and that she's heartless if she ever thinks I will. We're going to go on as usual, but she shouldn't expect me to treat her the same at all after that, and that I still can't really say I've forgiven her. Seems like she understood though.

So you don't forgive her, think lowly of her, but still want to be friends? One of these things doesn't fit in correctly. Please, just cut her from her life. If she legitimately thought that would be a funny joke in the least, she clearly has no regard for your feelings at all, apologies or no.

You're making so many assertions about who she is and her character based on like a 600 word post about an hours worth of time and something she immediately apologised for. But no, she's obviously a manipulative bitch with no sense of humour?

Like seriously, she did a manipulative, bitchy thing one time, that does not necessarily make someone a manipulative bitch. Being forgiving doesn't make you spineless.

I wouldn't hold it against him if he cut all contact with her after something like that, I think that's a reasonable response too if he was that hurt and thought the friendship was too damaged to carry it on. I just think the people telling him "Stop being friends right now or she's just going to walk all over you forever" are way off.

I don't really agree with people calling him a doormat (I don't think he was, and just had trouble reacting to the situation), but she did not immediately apologize, and the fact that she *kept the joke going* after it should have been immensely obvious that she was making both him and the friend uncomfortable, and his silence afterwards when they were in the car together. To be blunt, I highly, highly doubt she lacks that amount of social nuance to fail to notice how malicious that joke was for that amount of time, unless she has a social mental disorder like Aspburger's.
 
its actually about me and my mother and idk i just need advice and I'm not sure where to turn.
I just had to smile at this part since this is the dating thread :P

Serious answer: I don't think cutting your mom out of your life is the answer, it's a bit excessive. However, the status quo is going to drive you insane. You already have a great advantage in not living at home right now, so she can't really effectively control you unless you let her.

Re: the email thing, but that is completely inappropriate, but I'm not surprised a controlling parent would do that. Just take steps so that it never happens again.

In terms of calling, just stop calling her everyday. If she calls back, just say you're busy and that you'll call back tomorrow or in a couple of days, or just don't pick up. Making her go cold turkey will be difficult, but wean her off by calling every few days instead. If she complains about it, just explain that you're an adult and need your space/priority. And she can't do anything about.

She can react in two main ways:
- She can eventually (this may take time) realize that she're an adult and that you can and will dictate the terms of the relationship with her, and will give you more space if she doesn't want to damage the relationship
- she will freak out and escalate things and harass your phone/etc. Either she eventually realizes it doesn't work, or if things still don't get better, THAT's when you might have to start thinking about an ultimatum

It's not all on you. She has her part to play as well in terms of making this a non-toxic relationship.

She really REALLY wants us to forget that it ever happened and keep on going as usual. Which I think is disrespectful to my feelings on the matter personally.

I pretty much told her that, sure, if she wants to pretend like it didn't happen, fine, but it's not something I'll ever forget, and that she's heartless if she ever thinks I will. We're going to go on as usual, but she shouldn't expect me to treat her the same at all after that, and that I still can't really say I've forgiven her. Seems like she understood though.
That's the thing, though, isn't it? Even if things are swell from now on, there'll always be that part of your brain that'll remember that she was capable of doing this to you.

And her lack of empathy during and after the event is pretty telling.

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Honestly, it's good to open up to your friends, if they're true friends. They can help you through rough emotional patches. And while I fully believe that "fake it till you make it" works, it's always nice to have someone to open up to that's not a therapist. Support groups and all that
that.
My friends were a tremendous help for me when I was going through a bad break-up. That support was extremely helpful and appreciated. It's when times are tough that you realize who your great friends are.
 
Got a girl's number yesterday. She seems cool, but she's deaf, and doesn't seem to read lips well, and I can't sign. Could be a disaster waiting to happen, but I may as well give it a shot...
 
tldr: im 22 god damn years old and my mother doesn't respect the fact that i am an adult and am entitled to my own privacy. also i don't fucking live at home either so this shouldn't even be a problem anymore. What do i do?

Why haven't you changed your email password? Have you talked to your dad about this? The two of you may be on the same page, you'll have someone to calm her down when you're not there.
 
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