TheChewyWaffles
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I can't read the whole thread - any PS4 vs Xbone IQ and frame rate comparisons?
Fallout 4 - Reviews thread
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Why do you assume the people that are negative have no interest in it? I've largely been a negative voice against Bethesda for a while, but it's not because I have no interest in their games. Their games could be way up there in the upper echelon of my favorites if they didn't half ass a completely trash story and characters every fucking time. That and the bugs always have me worried, because I'm not a gamer that can just tolerate going back a save or two to try and fix it. I'd just give up the game.
I want to like Bethesda's games. I want to wander around the wasteland. The setting and style are way up my alley. So perhaps people like me want the scores to reflect the games I seem to actually get in order to force Bethesda to actually change some things.
Bethesda knows their games are going to make bank, so why is it so hard to ask that they actually fix some of these things? They're going to make it back in the end.
It's pretty sad that so many people can enjoy a game despite some flaws.
GlamFM
Banned
Pre-cancel ordered.
Admiral Woofington
Member
IQ is the same for both. Apparently rumors were swirling around that the xbone would run better since so many previews were PS4 and it had frame rate issues at points. But apparently the game as a whole seems to run better on PS4.
I mean a 2.0 for a major AAA game like Mass Effect 3 tells you that something went wrong. It doesn't mean that the game is a 2/10, it means that the developer screwed up with the fans and that there is some kind of controversy creating a wave of hate. It could be always online, on disc DLC, DRM, broken performance, or green, red, blue ending. I don't treat them as actual reviews but look at them to get a sense of the atmosphere around the game.
CecilRousso
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I am software developer also, but I don't really get that post, since I've seen very little signs of this being a piece of shit product.
The framerate issue on consoles looks bad, but that seems to be the case with a lot of console versions of multiplatform games.
randomengine
Banned
So this morning, I presented my wife with two videos, reviews of sequels to games where she loved the previous one:
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Fallout 4
(She 100%ed Tomb Raider and played Fallout 3 for 100s of hours)
To be fair, we used the same review house to watch videos from: Gamespot
Both games game the exact same score: 9
We watched Rise of the Tomb Raider first. She liked it quite a lot.
We then watched Fallout 4. I saw her cringe. She was like, "They didn't change anything. It looks exactly the same."
She was very interested in playing Rise of the Tomb Raider. She had little interest in Fallout 4.
Just some anecdotal, non-gaf, out-in-the-wild, first impression from someone who doesn't read much about games online.
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Fallout 4
(She 100%ed Tomb Raider and played Fallout 3 for 100s of hours)
To be fair, we used the same review house to watch videos from: Gamespot
Both games game the exact same score: 9
We watched Rise of the Tomb Raider first. She liked it quite a lot.
We then watched Fallout 4. I saw her cringe. She was like, "They didn't change anything. It looks exactly the same."
She was very interested in playing Rise of the Tomb Raider. She had little interest in Fallout 4.
Just some anecdotal, non-gaf, out-in-the-wild, first impression from someone who doesn't read much about games online.
Hey at least that guy is honest about it. So many in here were obviously hoping this game would review bad they just won't admit it.
Mister Megative
Banned
I'm confused. Are you saying Bioshock Infinite is a piece of shit?
Have you possibly considered that some of us WANT to like Fallout?
Imp the Dimp
Member
Bethesda has not the same goals in mind when developing games so I don't think similar review scores tell the entire story. NV was fundamentally different to F3.
If someone went into an OT trying to shit all over a game, valid complaints or not, I'd probably tell them to shut up as well. Because that's obviously a gathering of people who like and are trying to play the game, and rather not be bothered by people constantly bombarding them with reasons why the thing they like sucks. That's fair.
But here, in the review thread, where we're discussing the general criticial consensus of the game and the content of the reviews for it? Some people are too quick to jump into Defence Force mode and deflect any and all criticism of the thing they have already pre-determined they are going to love.
Both sides are terrible for it.
Mister Megative
Banned
It's the attitude that pisses me off. Spitefully hoping a game reviews poorly is ridiculous and childish.
RedAssedApe
Banned
There's a separate digital foundry thread. Or just go check out their article.
Well looky here, a Press Sneak Fuck telling the Community Sneak Fucks how to run their own show, eh? Why, I ought-ta.
J/k I 100% agree. 'Lazy devs' is such a heinous thing to say.
Can someone explain to me what 'ayy' means?
No, it's development was just troubled. I heard they made a crapload of assets that they just threw out.
OTs are for anyone who has played the game or who has questions. It is not a bastion of rahrah, although as time goes on, the ratio shifts.
LyleLanley
Banned
HITLER IS MENTIONED
I don't want to sound hyperbolic but the fact that Bethesda is allowed to put out buggy games is the closest thing gaming will have to the holocaust.
BouncyFrag
Member
In the Digital Foundry face off the ps4 offers a smoother framerate throughout with the X1 being noticeably worse.
randomengine
Banned
Personally, I thought it was. It was responsible for destroying the studio that made it. Good games usually don't do that.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
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la flama blanca
Banned
I don't see that many of these posts.
stupid Reddit meme
Admiral Woofington
Member
Bioshock Infinite had plenty of shit scrapped out. At one point we had a whole variety of cool enemies. Some of them were transformed to boss battles.
As long as it's a completely different game than what it is currently so you'll like it where many of the people that currently like what the game is would no longer like it.
That's not to say these games don't need some improvements in areas but the loudest detractors of these Fallout games want to change so many elements it wouldn't even be the same kind of game.
Punished_Snake
Member
I don't think so. It's obvious that critics loved MGS V, The Witcher 3 and Bloodborne more than Fallout 4.
GlamFM
Banned
There was a lot of things I loved about New Vegas that I hate about Fallout 4.
Yeah I know, they won't admit it, hence you won't see these posts.
Didn't you just came back from a few days ban? you need to calm down. Go outside and smell a flower or something.
Take Fallout 4.
Leave everything exactly the same except:
Replace the Dialogue system with the 3/NV one.
Holy fuck, not even the same game anymore, jesus I can't tell, am I playing Fallout or reading a novel holy wow.
I'm not talking about general criticism, especially of the technical variety. Frame drops suck, and hopefully they get fixed on PC (since that's where I will be playing). Similarly, I am hoping that this game doesn't constantly crash-to-desktop, a worry with open world RPGs on PC (even from Bioware in DAI when their previous games were pretty good from a bug perspective). I would rather all of that get fixed. It doesn't keep me from playing these games, but I can see how it turns some off, and I am definitely not going to pretend it isn't an issue.
I am talking about criticism that boils down to game design philosophy. There are posters (and you could probably name them if you have been on GAF long enough) that have been hate-playing these games for almost a decade and use pretty much any tangentially related thread to tell you how bad things are.
You know what you are getting from a Bethesda game. Acting like people are going to shake their head in shock when they hit the 20 hour mark and realize everything is shallow, soulless shit is silly. This is the fourth Bethesda Softworks game since Oblivion. All of them have been fairly similar from a design perspective, and all of them have sold better than pretty much anything else in the WRPG genre. It's not just blind hype from naive, uninformed buyers pushing these games past the 10M mark globally. People generally like what they are playing or they wouldn't keep playing it. Most of the people buying Fallout 4 will have played Fallout 3 or Skyrim. Series that disappoint the majority of their customers don't continue selling a decade later.
Fallout is not going to go back to being a isometric turn-based RPG. Obsidian is not going to be made the lead team on mainline Fallout. Elder Scrolls is not going to go back to the depth of mechanics in Morrowind. Bethesda is probably not going to make combat their main design focus. Bethesda will probably continue to value sandbox gameplay over focused story telling or meaningful choices. If those are major beefs, you would be better off giving up on the developer and go play something more to your liking.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
I don't think not wanting shitty writing, bugs that could possibly destroy your game save, and graphics/animations that are at least close to what we're getting in other games would really change what kind of game it is.
Lord of Castamere
Member
That's fair. People like different things. I don't really understand it so much because I think NV and Fallout 3 were far more alike than they were different and Fallout 4 looks to be pretty much the same. But I suppose if the only things you enjoy about NV are the things that you think NV did better, you would feel this way.
randomengine
Banned
For this thread, the title "Fallout" is a double entendre.
Ghostmaster
Member
No it wasn't, that is to say not because it was a shit game. What kind of bullshit is this. It both reviewed well and sold well.
The reason why Irrational closed down is because the studio spent a huge amount of time and budget on making assets that ended up not being used and 2K felt that having a big Ken Levine run studio wasn't worth it.
Also, what does anything of this have to do with fallout, we have almost zero indication that Fallout 4 had a trouble development cycle.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Heh. It's brilliant to watch.
Some people have to work through thimgs via discussions. Gaf is all about discussion-ing. Telling people to shut up helps no one, unless you can spot a real troll that is.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
The Witcher 3 is probably the biggest mess this year, in terms of console performance and glitches/bugs. Seems like every update fixes one thing and breaks three things. I say that as a huge fan of the Witcher series.
I won't disagree that Bethesda has made some questionable decisions but to call them lazy is disingenuous and wrong. FO4 is a game with 100+ hours of content and I'm sure they were aware of most of the bugs that came out, they just didn't have time to fix them between a deadline spread across three platforms. Yes, I wish the game had less bugs, but that isn't due to laziness.
Please, don't do this.
Congrats, you're not one of those people I was describing. Though I do have a hard time understanding why that one elements would turn you away from the game if you enjoyed all the rest of the previous games.
Really awesome review and thanks for putting in bloodbug gameplay they are just as terrifying as I thought.