I have to ask, how is ISIS expected to be stopped if not with violence?
They do NOT want people to respond with violence, they want people to be afraid and change their lives and they way they live their day to day lives.
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I have to ask, how is ISIS expected to be stopped if not with violence?
They do NOT want people to respond with violence, they want people to be afraid and change their lives and they way they live their day to day lives.
Hahahaha.
Tesseract
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and they say is has everything to do with islam, right? limp talk, otherwise.
lol what. Weren't these attacks precisely because they're being bombed in Syria? Hello? You think we should play pattycake with them or send in a delegation of nice men to talk it out?
ISIS will stay around if no one does something about them. How is attacking ISIS strongholds a bad thing?
So? Suspects are not automatically guilty.
So what's your solution? Ask them to stop?
Go_Ly_Dow
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I just hope the intelligence is spot on with such reactive attacks to minimise the chances of killing innocent lives
call_kotaku
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because if nothing else the last 15 years has taught us that dropping bombs on people doesn't really solve the terrorism problem
Tesseract
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education don't work either, so what do you do
Saiyan-Rox
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I feel like every time something like this happens it's reported that the people were known to police
Organizations like ISIS will use any excuse to attack.
Doing nothing won't stop them, either.
Doing nothing won't stop them, either.
Initial intelligence has worked numerous times. Execution and follow through have failed numerous times.
And doing nothing at all will do a lot won't it? They will still target countries all over the world.
What is also simple is, that without evidence police cannot detain people indefinitely.
I don't know what happened in this case, but hopefully we will soon get the full story.
The West is screwed either way. It's not like if we ignore them they will go away. Doing nothing is basically saying that terrorism is something that we just have to live with.
BreezyLimbo
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Yup. The thing is, ISIS doesnt want to be left alone with their slice of land. No, theyll keep attacking and killing and recruiting. I understand the naivety in not wanting to fight back against them, but....theyre a virus fullstop. Too far lost. If you try to show them mercy, theyll cut off your head. If you ask them to stop the violence, they will bomb you where you stand.
They are the closest thing this whole world has that is a common threat. The good thing is, if as a world we stand together and say "we will stop you", then that will be good for us. It will show that we can be united as a planet.
I won't solve all problems, but IS can't be reasoned with, so there is no alternative to military action.
Aside from that, de-radicalization of Muslim extremists should be another priority. But that's easier said than done.
Saiyan-Rox
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how else do you want to drive them out? Should the Kurds, Iraq only fight a defensive war despite the fact that ISIS has captured their lands and cities and is continuously attempting to extend their grasp? Should we send teachers, doctors or foreign aid money into terrorist occupied territory?
I'd like to see even a single example of someone who went full extremist and reverted back back to non-crazy status.
LegendofJoe
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The adage that violence begets violence has been around for a long time. It's a big reason why enlightened leaders like Ghandi, MLK, etc. who understood that and practiced non-violent resistance are so revered.
Maajid Nawaz?
rooflapimp
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don't forget gandalf
Bam Bam Baklava
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What the hell have we been doing for the last year? This is 20 strikes, there have already been 7000 in Syria and Iraq.
Do people even follow the news or what?
The Silver
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uh actually they do want people to respond with violence, ISIS is a death seeking terrorist group trying to start a holy war with the west to begin the apocalypse. The more fighting there is the more they can play it into their narrative and get more people to join them.
Now don't get it twisted I'm not saying to do nothing, I personally got no problem with people bombing them to hell, if anything all I'm saying is that shit is fucked either way.
and the 5th element.
The kind of violent response they want is western people killing innocent Muslims so that they can say "See? They're our enemy!" not by military strikes against their strongholds.
And Jedi.
Ah fair enough then.
DiipuSurotu
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There are lots of them if you google "islamiste repenti". French-language articles though.
Alx
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Yep, and anyway going to open conflict is the logical réaction. One could argue about interventions in foreign civil wars like in Syria being justified or not, but the latest events were an act of war from IS towards France. We can go by the book and declare war against them.(even if nobody does that any more).
The only question is the level of cooperation with Syria, Russia etc.
Also we'll have to prepare for further terror retaliation, but as we say, "à la guerre comme à la guerre".
LegendofJoe
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We very much should fight back against ISIS. We will not win the war against violent extremism by responding in kind though. The Islamic world needs to unite on the side of civilization and shame these people into irrelevance, that is the only way this will ever end.
call_kotaku
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Groups like ISIS feed off political instability and large numbers of disillusioned young muslim men, and dropping bombs only creates more of both. Watching things blow up is emotionally satisfying but I hope someone out there has better ideas for what to do long term.
The perfect Dark
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Good, it's about time.
By "about time" you mean "again," right?
The Silver
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I don't know how there ever is gonna be peace in the ME unless the Sunni-Shiiite divide is healed. Ever since the divide was used for gaining political power shit just blew up.
Suikoguy
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Has France gotten directly involved up until this point?
France has been bombing them for a while.
Hence the retaliation attack in Paris the other day.
The perfect Dark
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In Raqqa?
The whole point of Friday's attack was that it was retaliatory.
Abinash117
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Possibly coalition planes bombed Raqqa before.
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